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February 10, 2017, 04:07 AM #1
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Technical Brain - Zero Int
Just had this delivered today. Only listened for about 1.5 hours from brand new in the box. No rack space as of yet.
Too early to make a judgement but what I initially noticed is it's so powerful. Th specs state 100w into 8ohm but it feels a lot more powerful than my darTZeel integrated. It really has a iron grip on the speakers.
Also it's like a veil has been lifted and the music is so crystal clear, Cleary a big notch up in transparency.
Very impressed so far.
Fun times ahead
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February 10, 2017, 08:51 AM #2
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Wow! Looks like an amazing piece. Can't wait for more updates. Thanks for sharing.
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February 10, 2017, 08:59 AM #3
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Cool. Keep us posted.
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February 10, 2017, 09:56 AM #4
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Congrats. Have never had a chance to see or hear tech brain gear. Interested to hear your impressions.
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February 10, 2017, 11:11 AM #5
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Looks like excellent build quality. How's it priced compared to the CTH-8550?
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February 11, 2017, 03:16 AM #6
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February 12, 2017, 06:18 AM #7
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Wow. Beautiful integrated. Is there a remote control? What speakers are you using? Waiting to hear your impressions.
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February 13, 2017, 09:32 PM #8
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No remote control. It's a very purist design.
I'm using it on Wilson Benesch Act One Evolution..
Unfortunately I've got 2 weeks of non stop work so not much time to listen ATM.
I think it's the type of amp that would appeal to people who enjoy a warts n all sound with gobs of detail and a very clear window into your recordings. So realistic!
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February 13, 2017, 09:43 PM #9
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Also the TB Int has a captive power cord that's fed straight into the power supply. A nice saving $$
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February 13, 2017, 09:44 PM #10
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February 14, 2017, 02:27 AM #11
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About a year ago I went to my dealer's place to collect a power cord, I knew he was a Technical Brain dealer. He has two rooms with different gear, in one room he had Wilson speakers matted to Technical Brain Mono amps (I can’t remember if he was using a Technical Brain Pre amp – I strongly suspect he was), he had the top of the range Zensati cabling. I was quite keen to hear his system and TB gear in particular.
I have heard Wilson speakers only once before, but with the TB amps, the system/sound was so clear and transparent I was quite taken back (Wilson's were sounding more like Magico), you could ‘see’ right though, I never would have guessed Wilson speakers could sound like that. My system is transparent but not to this level. I spent a good hour listening to music in his home and came away very impressed with TB amps (and most likely the Pre-amp as well).
Enjoy !
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February 14, 2017, 06:29 PM #12
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Is the volume control stepped or continuously variable? If the former, what are the increments?
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February 16, 2017, 03:51 AM #13
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Hey Bob what are your latest findings on the TB int ?
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February 16, 2017, 08:42 AM #14
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Welcome to the forum forum, thank you for joining.
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February 17, 2017, 10:15 PM #15
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The technical Brain ZERO Integrated amp:
100W into 8Ohms
200W into 4Ohms
400W into 2Ohms
Stable to down to 1(one) Ohm
Captive 3.5meter Power cord directly into the 1200VA Hand-wound transformer.
Weight 29Kg.
Transparent, powerful with incredible control over any speaker system.
Linear, manual rotary volume control. Optimised for 12 o'clock to 3 o'clock volume setting (ie non exponential).
Enjoy listening Bob!
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February 18, 2017, 12:39 AM #16
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Welcome to the forum Bob! Thank you so much for joining.
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Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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February 18, 2017, 12:46 AM #17
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Bud
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February 18, 2017, 01:29 AM #18
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I've been too busy and little time for listening at the moment... will hopefully get some time tomorrow
I will say even at low volume level the music is still full and satisfying. Just about every other amp I've used needed more volume to come alive.
I am planning on a a/b test of the TB Int with my dac Tad da1000 to a friends Chord Dave.
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February 18, 2017, 01:30 AM #19
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February 18, 2017, 01:42 AM #20
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Absolutely I'm sure there's people in both camps. I'm all for not having to buy more cables
I believe the power cord being fed directly into the Transformer would have its advantages.
The cord is thick and does not feel or look low quality. I doubt Naoto would of gone to the trouble of hand winding the Transformer only to stick a low quality cable into it.
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February 18, 2017, 02:10 AM #21
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I agree. That is a big reason why I love my Lumin. File player and DAC in one chassis, using one power cord, and no interconnect cable.
I believe the power cord being fed directly into the Transformer would have its advantages. The cord is thick and does not feel or look low quality. I doubt Naoto would of gone to the trouble of hand winding the Transformer only to stick a low quality cable into it.
Enjoy your new gear. I'm not trying to denigrate it, just adding my two cents.Bud
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February 18, 2017, 03:39 AM #22
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Didn't take it that way at all. Totally valid questions that I asked myself also.
Out of every component I've ever bought the TB has the best "stock" power cord. If every component manufacturer took that same approach the cable companies might get cranky
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February 18, 2017, 08:29 AM #23
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Its a nice looking /Done piece of Kit , no Phono stage thou , do they offer one ...?
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February 18, 2017, 09:24 AM #24
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The TB Integrated power cord is an absolute high end power cord.
It is the same captive cord found in the TB ZERO EX phonostage the TB ZERO EX preamp and the TB ZERO EX monoblocks.
The TB Phono is USD $49000
The TB Preamp is USD $49000
The TB Monoblocks are USD $79000
The transformer in each Monoblock is the same 1200 VA transformer used in the TB Int. No shortcuts taken and the same applies to the Power Cord. You could spend more than the price of the TB INT if you wish and still not improve on the captive cord.
Quite a few people, after they bought the Monoblocks and the Integrated wanted to try other power cords . Naoto advised them not to, however at their insistence provided an IEC plug at the rear of the unit for them to so.
In every case the captive high end cord supplied with the unit was superior. In every case the units were reconnected with the captive cords.
Naoto would never think of including his captive cord unless it was a superior option.
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February 18, 2017, 10:21 AM #25
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What makes one power cord superior to another .... ?
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February 18, 2017, 01:57 PM #26
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When I listened to the the TB Monos a few years back, they didn't have captive power cords.
The US distributor provided Stage 3 power cords(I can't remember which model).
The SQ was excellent.
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February 18, 2017, 03:33 PM #27
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February 18, 2017, 10:14 PM #28
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If an interconnect can make a difference then so can a power cord. The aim of a good cable or power cord is to allow transmission of a "clean" signal, current, Electromagnetic wave etc with as little compromise as possible. Don't you agree. A cable or a cord cannot add anything to a signal. It can only degrade less . Agreed?
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February 18, 2017, 10:32 PM #29
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I had been informed a few years ago that the first USA distributor was a cable manufacturer and at some instance was convincing enough to import the internals of the TBs and house them in USA made panels. He wanted to use his own power cords. His excuse was that it would otherwise be too expensive to sell TB in the USA if the monoblocks were imprted fully assembled . When it was realized that the superceded Version 2 inners were installed in the New USA ZERO panels and sold as the new ZEROs his distributor and dealer status was removed.
TB is only imported Fully assembled and with the superior captive cord. Every TB product has the same captive cord so as to provide consistent and superior performance.
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February 25, 2017, 04:22 AM #30
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This amp is remarkable.
The way it brings out details and makes recording sound live is something I've never experienced before in my home system.
When I first listened to this amp is was straight after a pre/power combo that's north of $100k and this INT did things it wasn't doing. considering its stellar performance I would consider it phenomenal value for money.
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February 25, 2017, 07:42 AM #31
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February 25, 2017, 08:35 AM #32
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No analog at this time
Looking to setup a TT in about 3-4 months when some extensions are completed.
I was planning to use my darTZeel with built in phono on the Act 1 Evo and the TB with some TAD speakers. If I want to use a TT with the TAD then I'll be in the market for a phono..
or maybe try one of these decks ?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=slLyPzqB30w
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May 21, 2018, 02:44 PM #34
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Hi Bob, do you still have your Technical brain Zero Int ?
How are things going ? were you able to A/B with other amps and speakers ?
I'm still considering this Integrated if this thing can really competes with $50K or more worth of separates.
The thing is that i don't know if this Integrated can handle difficult loads like my Thiel CS 3.7
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May 24, 2018, 12:47 PM #35
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Turntables: Acoustic Signature Invictus Jr. NEO, Grand Prix Monaco V3.0
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