Ordered the M3 today !

**Elberoth** · December 23, 2016, 04:48 PM

It is all your fault. And Mike is the most guilty of all of you. He has been talking about the M3 and how great they are for weeks ... Same for Rob. Everyone has their limits. I couldn't stand that talk anymore and ordered a pair ... I think you can officialy call me a victim, lol.

Seriously though, I've been in love with the sound from the first time I've heard them. But you guys pushed me over the edge.

I should have them in a couple of weeks.

It seems I made myself a nice Christmas present !

Now back to listening to my lovely S5 mk 2 ... they are the best speakers I've had - by far. So musical.

**Kuoppis** · December 23, 2016, 04:49 PM

Congrats, great choice!

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**Mike** · December 23, 2016, 04:53 PM

Congratulations Adam. I was happy to help.

Now the wait begins!

**a.wayne** · December 23, 2016, 04:59 PM

I must have missed the memo , so M3 is better than S5 mk2...?

**Kuoppis** · December 23, 2016, 05:14 PM

...duh?

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**joeinid** · December 23, 2016, 05:17 PM

Ha!,

Congratulations Adam. If I know you, you will LOVE them. Enjoy in great health and when they arrive, it will most certainly be a happy new year!

**Alpinist** · December 23, 2016, 05:18 PM

Congrats Adam! I guess that's the power of the M3 sound. Great enough to make you replace new speakers that you are totally enamored with.

Best,
Ken

**Elberoth** · December 23, 2016, 05:21 PM

Thanks guys. I'm so excited !

It is true - once you hear them, it is hard to force that sound out of your head.

**bzr** · December 23, 2016, 05:23 PM

Congrats Adam. Mk ll's are so yesterday!

**joeinid** · December 23, 2016, 05:40 PM

Uh oh, aren't the M3's mk 1's?

Originally Posted by bzr

Congrats Adam. Mk ll's are so yesterday!

**Elberoth** · December 23, 2016, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by bzr

Congrats Adam. Mk ll's are so yesterday!

The S5 mk 2s are still the best sub-$40k I've heard. I'm just listening to them right now. They are just lovely. The M3s are quite a bit more.

I was was thinking how I could improve my system for some time. I was considering selling my msb M202 monos and getting the Vitus SM-011 or SM-102 monos. However, all the people I've talked to insisted going with the M3 will bring even bigger improvement.

So here I am.

**Melbguy1** · December 23, 2016, 06:17 PM

Big congrats Adam! All the senior guys here are right; the M3's are exceptional speakers with amazing build quality. I am sure they will couple extremely well with your room & bring you mega joy. It should be a Happy New Year indeed

**XV-1** · December 23, 2016, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Elberoth

It is all your fault. And Mike is the most guilty of all of you. He has been talking about the M3 and how great they are for weeks ... Same for Rob. Everyone has their limits. I couldn't stand that talk anymore and ordered a pair ... I think you can officialy call me a victim, lol.

Seriously though, I've been in love with the sound from the first time I've heard them. But you guys pushed me over the edge.

I should have them in a couple of weeks.

It seems I made myself a nice Christmas present !

Now back to listening to my lovely S5 mk 2 ... they are the best speakers I've had - by far. So musical.

and probably perfectly sized for your lovely room. congrats

**Elberoth** · December 23, 2016, 06:30 PM

At least having a smaller room (14x19) has some benefits !

**Mike** · December 23, 2016, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Elberoth

Thanks guys. I'm so excited !

It is true - once you hear them, it is hard to force that sound out of your head.

So true!

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**Alpinist** · December 23, 2016, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Elberoth

It is true - once you hear them, it is hard to force that sound out of your head.

Adam,

I can totally relate to what you're saying. The same thing happened to me. Once I heard the Vandersteen 7 MkII, I fell in love with the sound so much, I had no choice but to sell my nearly new speakers and buy a pair. The good news is I've never regretted the decision and I would expect it to be the same with you.

Enjoy my friend!
Ken

**Adyc** · December 23, 2016, 07:32 PM

Are you also getting Mpod?

**Elberoth** · December 23, 2016, 07:38 PM

Yes. The Mpod will be integrated into the M3 design in the coming weeks (next month ?) and the price will be adjusted accordingly.

**Adyc** · December 23, 2016, 07:44 PM

Congrats! Maybe also getting a pair of Qsub15 like the professor did

**still-one** · December 23, 2016, 07:44 PM

Congratulations Adam

If I was starting over the M3 would be one of the handful of speakers I would be choosing from.

**Mike** · December 23, 2016, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Elberoth

Yes. The Mpod will be integrated into the M3 design in the coming weeks (next month ?) and the price will be adjusted accordingly.

**the professor** · December 23, 2016, 07:53 PM

Congrats

You will LOVE them

**Alpinist** · December 23, 2016, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by the professor

Congrats

You will LOVE them

Hi Jock,
Do you think there is a pair of M3's in your future?

Ken

**Alpinist** · December 23, 2016, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

LOL, laughing my ass off!

Ken

**Kuoppis** · December 23, 2016, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Mike, looks like it's now time to get your 'home pair' of M3s after all - you must admit, you've now had yours for a while

.

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**Mike** · December 23, 2016, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Kuoppis

Mike, looks like it's now time to get your 'home pair' of M3s after all - you must admit, you've now had yours for a while

.

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I think you're right.

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**Dguitarnut** · December 23, 2016, 11:00 PM

Geez Mike, My S1mk2's are so small.........yep speaker envy is a cardinal sin......
I hope they have fireproof M3s where I'm going!

**XV-1** · December 23, 2016, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Elberoth

Yes. The Mpod will be integrated into the M3 design in the coming weeks (next month ?) and the price will be adjusted accordingly.

Is that M3 mk2 already ?

sounds a lot better than Mk1 + Mpod

**BlueFox** · December 24, 2016, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by XV-1

Is that M3 mk2 already ?

sounds a lot better than Mk1 + Mpod

LOL. The Mk3 is scheduled for Q2 2017.

**bzr** · December 24, 2016, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Elberoth

The S5 mk 2s are still the best sub-$40k I've heard. I'm just listening to them right now. They are just lovely. The M3s are quite a bit more.

I was was thinking how I could improve my system for some time. I was considering selling my msb M202 monos and getting the Vitus SM-011 or SM-102 monos. However, all the people I've talked to insisted going with the M3 will bring even bigger improvement.

So here I am.

I don't doubt the S5 Mk2's are a good speaker, but, you know what they say, you're not a senior until you own M3's

**Elberoth** · December 24, 2016, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by XV-1

Is that M3 mk2 already ?

sounds a lot better than Mk1 + Mpod

M3 + Qpods is already the M3 mk 2

**Rhapsody** · December 24, 2016, 08:02 AM

Congrats again Adam

.....glad to be of assistance.

**Cincy2** · December 24, 2016, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Elberoth

It is all your fault. And Mike is the most guilty of all of you. He has been talking about the M3 and how great they are for weeks ... Same for Rob. Everyone has their limits. I couldn't stand that talk anymore and ordered a pair ... I think you can officialy call me a victim, lol.

Seriously though, I've been in love with the sound from the first time I've heard them. But you guys pushed me over the edge.

I should have them in a couple of weeks.

It seems I made myself a nice Christmas present !

Now back to listening to my lovely S5 mk 2 ... they are the best speakers I've had - by far. So musical.

What about the subs? In for a penny.....

Eric

**Melbguy1** · December 24, 2016, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Cincy2

What about the subs? In for a penny.....

Eric

It's a slippery slope isn't it? It's like you've got the cake, now do you want to put the icing on it? My friend is running subs with his Magico S7's & I have to admit the improvement is substantial. Then again, he has a large size room. It would be a bit more challenging integrating subs into Adam's smaller room, but doable.

**bzr** · December 24, 2016, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Melbguy1

It's a slippery slope isn't it? It's like you've got the cake, now do you want to put the icing on it? My friend is running subs with his Magico S7's & I have to admit the improvement is substantial. Then again, he has a large size room. It would be a bit more challenging integrating subs into Adam's smaller room, but doable.

What subs is he using with his Magico speakers?

**Adyc** · December 24, 2016, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Melbguy1

It's a slippery slope isn't it? It's like you've got the cake, now do you want to put the icing on it? My friend is running subs with his Magico S7's & I have to admit the improvement is substantial. Then again, he has a large size room. It would be a bit more challenging integrating subs into Adam's smaller room, but doable.

I do not think it is too difficult to integrate subs into main speakers. I would only use sub for 30 Hz or below which many main speakers will start will roll off. Sub 20 Hz really improves presence and body. I only cross over my sub around 30 Hz and the improvement is substantial.

I do not believe M3 can go to 20 Hz flat. Add sub to M3 will help. Most of the other brands' top reference speakers are 4 towers and there are reasons for that.

**Elberoth** · December 25, 2016, 07:10 AM

I was pondering on using two subs for some time now. At one point, I was even considering selling the S5s (S5 mk 1 at the time) and getting the Q1s with subs.

My dealer doesn't stock Magico subs, not to mention a pair, but I can borrow any sub from Velodyne, REL or Wilson Benech (Torus) to try. That should at least give me a taste of what is possible.

**MDP** · December 25, 2016, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Elberoth

I was pondering on using two subs for some time now. At one point, I was even considering selling the S5s (S5 mk 1 at the time) and getting the Q1s with subs.

My dealer doesn't stock Magico subs, not to mention a pair, but I can borrow any sub from Velodyne, REL or Wilson Benech (Torus) to try. That should at least give me a taste of what is possible.

Adam, first off, congrats on your new speakers! Mike tells me they're something special and I hope you have many days of audio bliss!!

Second, I can't say this strongly enough, subs will make a dramatic difference even with full range speakers. Jim Smith told me this for the longest time, but I didn't understand what he meant until I added a stereo pair.

Congrats again

**a.wayne** · December 25, 2016, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Kuoppis

...duh?

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ok admittedly a lazy question so let me regroup and come again..

M3 is superior to S5 mk2, as reviewed. But with all this Magico numerology its difficult to keep up , is M3 superior to Q3 , Q7? is the Q series still tops or is the M-Series now tops , what differentiate all these model series , S? M? Q? ...

Regards

**Cincy2** · December 25, 2016, 03:52 PM

[QUOTE=MDP;188679 Jim Smith told me this for the longest time, but I didn't understand what he meant until I added a stereo pair.[/QUOTE]

http://www.psaudio.com/article/subwo...rick-or-treat/

http://www.psaudio.com/article/38363/

http://www.psaudio.com/article/subwoofery-the-finale/

He convinced me also.

Eric

**Mike** · December 25, 2016, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by a.wayne

ok admittedly a lazy question so let me regroup and come again..

M3 is superior to S5 mk2, as reviewed. But with all this Magico numerology its difficult to keep up , is M3 superior to Q3 , Q7? is the Q series still tops or is the M-Series now tops , what differentiate all these model series , S? M? Q? ...

Regards

Q series is soon retired.

M series represents "newer" technology with a "cost no object" approach to SOTA speaker design, build and technology.

S/S mk2 series represents a combination of some of the trickle down from the M Pro/M3, along with some compromises where impact is minimal representing a "best value" approach. In addition to drivers, compare the cabinet structure, curved baffle front, etc. between S and M.

The tricky decision a customer may have to make is between S7 and M3. They are close in price.

In car terms, the S3 mk2 is the BMW 335i. The M3 is well...the M3!

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**Melbguy1** · December 25, 2016, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

M series represents "newer" technology with a "cost no object" approach to SOTA speaker design, build and technology.

S/S mk2 series represents a combination of some of the trickle down from the M Pro/M3, along with some compromises where impact is minimal representing a "best value" approach.

+ 1

.

Originally Posted by Mike

In car terms, the S3 mk2 is the BMW 335i. The M3 is well...the M3!

...and the S5 Mk2?

**Melbguy1** · December 25, 2016, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by bzr

What subs is he using with his Magico speakers?

My friend is, or I should say was running Wilson Torus Infrasonic generators like you. A-B comparing the sound with/without the Torus subs showed with they added presence and body as Adyc noted. Though fyi he has since re-positioned his S7's and brought them further out into the room, and now prefers the sound without the subs which is surprising. I'm looking forward to hearing his latest setup soon.

**Melbguy1** · December 26, 2016, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by Adyc

I do not think it is too difficult to integrate subs into main speakers. I would only use sub for 30 Hz or below which many main speakers will start will roll off. Sub 20 Hz really improves presence and body. I only cross over my sub around 30 Hz and the improvement is substantial.

I do not believe M3 can go to 20 Hz flat. Add sub to M3 will help. Most of the other brands' top reference speakers are 4 towers and there are reasons for that.

Adyc, I had the QSub 15's in mind, so I was thinking more in terms of space limitations...they are substantial beasts! But yes, Magico's DSP-controlled EQ offers plenty of options to integrated the subs into most listening rooms.

I agree the M3's would benefit from adding high end subs such as the QSub 15 or WB Torus Infrasonic generator. Similarly I think the S5 Mk2's would also benefit from the addition of QSub's...perhaps just a little less so than than the M3. In his review for Hifi Critic, MC noted the S5 Mk2's have exceptionally linear frequency response from about 24Hz to 35kHz, digging down to 20Hz in the sub-bass region. Though as you noted it is in the sub-20 Hz range where one can gain an improvement in presence and body.

**Ritmo** · December 26, 2016, 07:40 AM

Congrats Adam!

**Adyc** · December 26, 2016, 07:42 AM

How about S sub? The size is much more acceptable. Two 12" drivers per channel should be more than enough.

**Melbguy1** · December 26, 2016, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Adyc

How about S sub? The size is much more acceptable. Two 12" drivers per channel should be more than enough.

The S subs are good, though if you look at their design, they look like a S Mk1 speaker, so i'd definitely wait until a Mk2 version arrives. That said, the QSub 15 is quite a bit better.

**IanG-UK** · May 2, 2018, 03:17 PM

I have the Q1 and a single Wilson Benesch Torus which here in the UK cost £28.5k and £6.5k for a single unit with dedicated amplifier. By comparison the M3 costs £100k. Almost three times the price. Given the flexibility one gets with integration using a Devialet OdA amplifier (the same as the Expert Pro 1000) the M3 just does not stack up in the way it probably does in the USA particularly if used in a small UK room. Maybe when the M1 emerges ...

**joeinid** · May 2, 2018, 08:41 PM

Welcome to the forum, thank you for joining.

**FDPDK** · May 3, 2018, 11:08 AM

Welcome to the forum IanG-UK

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