Magico S3 mk2

Well, it might be a bit difficult 'to sound purer in the mids' in absolute terms with the same drivers in it. I guess the mids and highs might stand out more in the S5 mk2 as the graphene and alu drivers do not integrate equally well. A key point about the S3 mk2 is also coherence across the frequency range.

But it is understandable that owners of S5s/S7s come up with all kinds of arguments and explanations why their more expensive models should still be 'better' despite having the previous gen alu woofers. The graphene woofers bring a quality to Magico bass that was not there before and that makes the S3 mk2 a real winner and a sweetspot in the Magico line up.

Bigger LS might go deeper and move more air, but that is not my definition of better per se. It is more important that the LS are a fit with their environment, that's why manufacturers like Magico and others make smaller and larger models.

I guess S5/S7 owners need to wait for the next version with graphene woofers or move to the M series to get on par and beyond.


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Every time a new model comes out from this manufacturer it's like groundhog day on here. Seriously, step up to the line, lower trousers, wait for the measurement!!
 
Kuoppis said:
Well, it might be a bit difficult 'to sound purer in the mids' in absolute terms with the same drivers in it. I guess the mids and highs might stand out more in the S5 mk2 as the graphene and alu drivers do not integrate equally well. A key point about the S3 mk2 is also coherence across the frequency range.

But it is understandable that owners of S5s/S7s come up with all kinds of arguments and explanations why their more expensive models should still be 'better' despite having the previous gen alu woofers. The graphene woofers bring a quality to Magico bass that was not there before and that makes the S3 mk2 a real winner and a sweetspot in the Magico line up.

Bigger LS might go deeper and move more air, but that is not my definition of better per se. It is more important that the LS are a fit with their environment, that's why manufacturers like Magico and others make smaller and larger models.

I guess S5/S7 owners need to wait for the next version with graphene woofers or move to the M series to get on par and beyond.
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You can believe whatever you want, at least for as long as you judge sound by what you read about technology and coherence rather than by listening. You sure seem to know an awful lot about what S5/S7 (and Q7 for that matter) owners are going through, suffering from "old design" woofers. You keep telling yourself that the S3 Mk2 is superior. Don't worry about the S5 Mk2/S7/Q7 Mk2 owners... we know better.

FWIW, Magico's description of the woofers in the S5 Mk2 - Newly designed 10-inch Magico bass drivers offer a new motor system with extremely powerful magnets and ultra-stiff aluminum cones that are specially coated and finished with graphene dust caps. The new bass driver is capable of producing incredibly deep, powerful and complex bass frequencies with the utmost speed and accuracy.

As for the S5 sounding purer in the mids - I know it goes against what you want to believe, but of course it's possible. I certainly give more credence to Elberoth's ear than to your speculation. Even though the S3 and S5 have identical midrange drivers there is the cabinet size as Elberoth points out and equally important I suspect are differences in the crossover.

The S3 Mk2 is a very nice speaker. I've heard it several times, with different equipment. I attended the demo by Magico's Peter Mackay and discussed it (and many other things) with him. I have no issue with you calling it a real winner and a sweet spot in the Magico line-up. And I'm sure it's perfect for your listening preferences, budget and room size limitations.

But it's sad that you feel a need to try to disparage S5 Mk2/S7/Q7 Mk2 speakers and their owners in an attempt to convince yourself that your S3 Mk2s actually sound better than they do. That's not something you determine in a discussion forum or by reading a magazine - it's decided in a listening room.
 
My dealer had S7, S5 mk2 and S3 mk2 and I listened all of them with the same Constellation and dcs electronics.

All of them sounded great. No question about that.

But there was really no competition about S7 being the superior speaker. After that came the S5 and then the S3 mk2. When you have the effortless bass of S7, the mids and highs just flourish. If you directly go from S7 to S3 m2 you'll think the S3s are shouting. But that's not S3's fault. There are physical limits to what S3 can do over S7. The scale of music is incomparable between S7 and S3.

Yes, S3 mk2 have better integration but that's maybe only %5 of the complete experience. There are many factors like slam, effortlessness, scale etc. Even comparing S7 with m3 is tricky. M3 is the more sophisticated speaker but for many users S7 might be the better choice as a full package.

I do not own a Magico speaker (used to own Q3) but I am a fan. I am Hoping to buy one soon. S3 is one of the best speakers in its price segment but I think comparing S3 mk2 to S5 or S7 is not fair.


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parkcaka said:
My dealer had S7, S5 mk2 and S3 mk2 and I listened all of them with the same Constellation and dcs electronics.

All of them sounded great. No question about that.

But there was really no competition about S7 being the superior speaker. After that came the S5 and then the S3 mk2. When you have the effortless bass of S7, the mids and highs just flourish. If you directly go from S7 to S3 m2 you'll think the S3s are shouting. But that's not S3's fault. There is physical limits to what S3 can do over S7. The scale of music is incomparable between S7 and S3.

Yes, S3 mk2 have better integration but that's maybe only %5 of the complete experience. There are many factors like slam, effortlessness, scale etc. Even comparing S7 with m3 is tricky. M3 is the more sophisticated speaker but for many users S7 might be the better choice as a full package.

I do not own a Magico speaker (used to own Q3) but I am a fan. I am Hoping to buy one soon. S3 is one of the best speakers in its price segment but I think comparing S3 mk2 to S5 or S7 is not fair.
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Spot on parkcaka!
 
The Sandman said:
But it's sad that you feel a need to try to disparage S5 Mk2/S7/Q7 Mk2 speakers and their owners in an attempt to convince yourself that your S3 Mk2s actually sound better than they do. That's not something you determine in a discussion forum or by reading a magazine - it's decided in a listening room.
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Well, you are making a lots of assumptions here, like you being the world's only person having heard all the speakers or speaker qualities being generic instead of being considered a part of a chain.

And last time I checked, this is an S3 mk2 thread and nevertheless you felt the need to defend the larger models against it. So, obviously there is an itch you felt the need to scratch.


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Kuoppis said:
Well, you are making a lots of assumptions here, like you being the world's only person having heard all the speakers or speaker qualities being generic instead of being considered a part of a chain.

And last time I checked, this is an S3 mk2 thread and nevertheless you felt the need to defend the larger models against it. So, obviously there is an itch you felt the need to scratch.
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It was this statement of yours that drew me into this thread - I felt it needed correcting:

Kuoppis said:
The graphene woofers surpass what older generation aluminum woofers can do by a very big margin.
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S5 Mk2/S7/Q7 Mk 2 use current generation, newly redesigned high performance aluminum woofers. And these speakers easily outperform S3 Mk2, graphene woofers and all.

Go ahead and tell us your conclusions from serious listening comparisons between S3 Mk2 and any of these other speakers and then perhaps I will take your comments more seriously.

You're quite adept at using your words to try to stir people up, AKA trolling. You should transmit less and receive more.

Itch scratched.
 
The Sandman said:
As for the S5 sounding purer in the mids - I know it goes against what you want to believe, but of course it's possible. I certainly give more credence to Elberoth's ear than to your speculation. Even though the S3 and S5 have identical midrange drivers there is the cabinet size as Elberoth points out and equally important I suspect are differences in the crossover.
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Just an FYI Howard, the S5 Mk2 uses an evolved version of the MPro's 6" midrange (part no: MCG1005) which is the same as the M3 (part no: MAG6004RTC). Magico specify the S3 Mk2's midrange unit as Part No: M390G. After I pointed that out in my preview of the S5 Mk2 on PAF, Magico mysteriously removed the part numbers for the S5 Mk2 from their website :lol:.
 
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The Sandman said:
You're quite adept at using your words to try to stir people up, AKA trolling. You should transmit less and receive more.
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Ok, now you accuse me of trolling, just because I do have a different point of view? Not sure how mature that is.

There is a difference in point of view here, I am ok with that. You can still feel free to like the older and now replaced material. However, all newly released Magico LS seem to have graphene woofers, not sure if that tells you anything.

And while I am interested in anyone's opinion on the forum, I am not really dependent of any individual's approval.

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Melbguy1 said:
Just an FYI Howard, the S5 Mk2 uses an evolved version of the MPro's 6" midrange (part no: MCG1005) which is the same as the M3 (part no: MAG6004RTC). Magico specify the S3 Mk2's midrange unit as Part No: M390G. After I pointed that out in my preview of the S5 Mk2 on PAF, Magico mysteriously removed the part numbers for the S5 Mk2 from their website :lol:.
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Thanks David... that's interesting. I believe S7 uses yet another version of the graphene midrange - MCG8005.
 
Kuoppis said:
Ok, now you accuse me of trolling, just because I do have a different point of view? Not sure how mature that is.
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I'm not accusing you of trolling because you have a different point of view. I'm accusing you of trolling because you were trolling:
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Well, because the aluminum woofers are the better ones, M Pro, M6, M3 do have graphene? Q7 mk2 are an old design, so they don't really count.

I know, it sucks.
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Kuoppis said:
Well, you are making a lots of assumptions here, like you being the world's only person having heard all the speakers or speaker qualities being generic instead of being considered a part of a chain.

And last time I checked, this is an S3 mk2 thread and nevertheless you felt the need to defend the larger models against it. So, obviously there is an itch you felt the need to scratch.
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Kuoppis said:
Well, the world viewed from an aluminum cone owner perspective [emoji3].
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Kuoppis said:
Well, it might be a bit difficult 'to sound purer in the mids' in absolute terms with the same drivers in it. I guess the mids and highs might stand out more in the S5 mk2 as the graphene and alu drivers do not integrate equally well. A key point about the S3 mk2 is also coherence across the frequency range.

But it is understandable that owners of S5s/S7s come up with all kinds of arguments and explanations why their more expensive models should still be 'better' despite having the previous gen alu woofers. The graphene woofers bring a quality to Magico bass that was not there before and that makes the S3 mk2 a real winner and a sweetspot in the Magico line up.

I guess S5/S7 owners need to wait for the next version with graphene woofers or move to the M series to get on par and beyond.
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I don't hold myself out as an expert on Magico speakers although I have quite a lot of experience with them. I never said I was the only one who's heard most or all of them. Perhaps you haven't noticed the opinions of others in this thread after hearing the various S line speakers.

What I am somewhat of an expert in is trolling, being the owner and administrator of the largest (well, many would say the only) online forum for forum owners and administrators. A whole million plus post forum all about forums. Go figure. In my expert opinion sir, you were trolling.
 
I miss the good 'ol days of Wilson vs. Magico. Alexia 2 is out. Haven't seen a single comparison of Alexia 2 vs. S5 mk2. [emoji13]
 
kzhtoo said:
I miss the good 'ol days of Wilson vs. Magico. Alexia 2 is out. Haven't seen a single comparison of Alexia 2 vs. S5 mk2. [emoji13]
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That was like old school wrestling wasn't it? The good ol' days..a bit like UFC on a bad day, and mud wrestling on a good one! :lol:.
 
The Sandman said:
I play the high res version of that all the time. Pretty loud too... Did I mention that S7's can rock?
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Yes my friend has a $500kAUD system (incl: S7's), so I know the S7's can turn on a rock concert in your listening room! :thumbsup:.
 
kzhtoo said:
I miss the good 'ol days of Wilson vs. Magico. Alexia 2 is out. Haven't seen a single comparison of Alexia 2 vs. S5 mk2
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What’s to compare anymore? Wilson “new” stuff is so antiquated, it is no longer even fun to make fun of it :(
 
LVB said:
What’s to compare anymore? Wilson “new” stuff is so antiquated, it is no longer even fun to make fun of it :(
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The Wilson Audio WAMM beg to differ

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What’s to compare anymore? Wilson “new” stuff is so antiquated, it is no longer even fun to make fun of it :(
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That reminds me of when Andre the Giant wrestled all those midgets..that was a funny match! :popcorn: :ko:
 
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