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June 13, 2017, 02:29 AM #101
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Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
Remember we are talking of high efficiency high impedance speakers paired with high resolution tube amps. Ordinary speakers arent able to perform at this level, its a simple question of quality. Low vs. high.
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June 13, 2017, 02:33 AM #102
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Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
Internet makes many claims from people who have never heard the real creme of the crop. In fact, a long A23 cable beats the twisted Belden and the silver Shindo beats the A23.
So the Belden is at the lower point of hierarchy but for some people good enough.
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June 13, 2017, 03:02 AM #103
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Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
I'll need to hear that. A friend of mine received from Tonian Labs a so called A23 (or maybe a copy) pair of speaker cables. No bass, whatever the spealers and system used (at his place and mine) it was very refined but not balanced like the Belden. Now it could be that this cable was not original A23 and just crap copy. It was a thin wire envelopped with cotton.
We use sensitive speakers and SE tube amps.
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June 13, 2017, 04:38 AM #104
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Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
Man has to experience everything for himself, its a thing that couldnt be delegated. So the forum may be a good start for a hint but on every corner someone with an unknown background of experience recommends something thats in his audio world sounds excellent. But thats not the absolute truth but only his/ hers opinion.
I remember the magazine the absolute sound in the 80s. From the view of a more educated listener they had absolutely not the right test equipment to hear "absolute audio" for whatever that is and eventually may mean. For every person it means different qualities in a given audio setup. Rarely heard in a combination of virtues.
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June 13, 2017, 04:41 AM #105
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Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
I agree. My expectation is mine I don't search for audiophile heaven, only music, so the Belden might just be right for that.
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June 13, 2017, 07:43 AM #106
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June 13, 2017, 01:11 PM #107
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Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
A very famous French audio maker (Klinger Favre - the name of the brand) demonstrate that capacitance and inductance does not play any role in the sound result. Only the size of the cable (the thickness of the strands), their material (copper, silver etc), the way they are twisted, and the insulation, makes a difference, no measurable with impedance or inductance. In a nutshell, he prooves that high power amps need cables with thick strands to make a good transfer, as well. if I think about it, with my own experience, I tend to think he is totally right. 47 Labs make wonderful cables (Stratos wire), which overpass audiophile's comprehension, simple string in a blue cover.
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June 13, 2017, 01:12 PM #108
Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
Belden and WE cables are not as good as A23 period. I have all three and have come to the conclusion that A23 is the best matched cable of the three when used with shindo.
Chris
Garrard 301, SME 2012r, EMT TSD15, A23 T2 Hommage SUT, Shindo Montille, Shindo Aurieges, Shindo ICs and Auditorium Speaker Cables, Auditorium A23 Hommage 755a Speakers.
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June 13, 2017, 01:15 PM #109
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Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
I believe the A23 cables i have tested were bad clones. I need to get a pair in Europe to test! I have tried to call 3 times A23 in Germany, not far from my place, but they do not answer the phone.
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June 13, 2017, 03:24 PM #110
Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
I have found Keith to be very responsive to emails.
Chris
Garrard 301, SME 2012r, EMT TSD15, A23 T2 Hommage SUT, Shindo Montille, Shindo Aurieges, Shindo ICs and Auditorium Speaker Cables, Auditorium A23 Hommage 755a Speakers.
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June 13, 2017, 05:06 PM #111
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Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
With regard to post #107:
a] Cross-section area matters
Material, i.e. Copper, gold, silver or aluminum doesn't matter. It's about end-to-end resistance. Adjusting the cross-section area to achieve the same end-to-end resistance. There many be mechanical, availability or cost issues with some materials.
b] Solid or stranded (and which way a strand is twisted) (and thick strands or thin strands) doesn't matter.
However a paired cable should be twisted.
c] Total capacitance only matter with legacy and boutique amplifiers that go unstable with high capacitance loads.
d] Loop inductance only matters with loudspeakers that have very low impedance at treble frequencies.
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End-to-end cable resistance is where it's at.
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June 14, 2017, 07:59 AM #112
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Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
No need for calling A23, buy here directly from german distributor:
http://www.hsga-gmbh.de/index.php/15...el-3-5-mr.html
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June 14, 2017, 08:05 AM #113
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Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
Thanks Walter! I need more length (5 m), will drop them an email. Have you ever seen it for sale with no terminations by the way?
best
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June 14, 2017, 08:53 AM #114
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Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
The cable comes original with Banana plugs. Just use adaptors or unsold the bananas. The bananas are soundwise not first choice.
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December 1, 2018, 01:56 AM #115
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December 2, 2018, 06:43 AM #116
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Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
Better to use the same brand on both as he does. So no probs can occur. Cinch RCA is an amateur standard so its even manufactured to amateur standards.
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December 2, 2018, 07:25 AM #117
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Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
But once again: what is too big or small on the female jack on the Shindo amp side? The positive or negative contact?
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December 3, 2018, 06:35 PM #118
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Re: Speaker cables for Shindo speakers
Both won't fit
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