Thread: Shindo shot of the day

Originally Posted by Cucumber_jones

Nice looking system. I love the 604's and would love a chance to hear them. What plinth is that - it kind if looks like a lingo lab.

Thanks. The 604 are great. Perfect for my room. The plinth is a Woodsong / Harban, my second. I had one for my thorens 124 and was impressed with the quality and price and Chris's ability to accommodate requests. This plinth....not so much. Although it is beautiful, it was not properly fit to the 401 motor size and I *totally* question the value of these plinths at the current prices which I understand to approach $4,000. My plinth was a bit cheaper and built totally according to my design for a small footprint plinth with an articulating armboard. I'm totally happy with the outward craftsmanship. It is quite beautiful. But...no...I couldn't go this way again. With a 124 I think that the plinth is of lesser importance. With the garrard, if one spends huge money - and to me 4k for a plinth seems large - one should be getting a plinth designed by someone with experience in using materials to squeeze performance out of the table. Chris - and many of his competitors - have been doing this for a few years, fueled perhaps by the post Jeff day garrard series in 6moons that blew the door open on these tables to audiophiles at large. In short, I'm just not convinced that you (generally speaking) get what you pay for. I definitely did not as I had to hack mine into being able to accommodate my table.


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Nice!


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Originally Posted by NeilNZ

Definitely not ideal by the sounds of it. A shame, as it looks really nice.

It's pretty for sure. And well built. Other than the most most important factor - fitting the table! But, really, $3,000 - $4,000 for new ones? I'll pass. YMMV but one could get one of those cheapie plinths from Moldova on ebay, pay a woodworker to cover it with veneer, and save at least 2-3k. Will there be a performance difference? I'm skeptical. I really am. I've owned and built all sorts of plinths for the 124, 301 and 401. I doubt that the difference is of a magnitude that supports the price. I'd pay more attention to proper rebuild of the table, proper arm and cartridge match and proper alignment.

I'm only talking about plinths with which I have experience...I've never had the privilege of spending a lot of time with the ligno, the Shindo or the 501 plinth from loricraft. I know well that the plinth makes a difference - I had Terry Cain make me a skeletal plinth. Rest his soul, he was a wonderful man and a hifi artist. But that plinth was a sonic disaster. Again, just my opinion based on value vs performance. I'm probably jaded by my experience. Rightfully so. But in my estimation premium prices should be based on objective premium performance. If you just want pretty veneer, that can be had for less.

And it should fit the table.


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By the way, whoever turns up with the Cain and Cain solid teak plinth with walnut supports and brass accents...that was either mine or his. He made two.


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As to my prior plinths, I always like to show that I'm not telling stories (but I can't find a pic of my Cain!). Here is my Woodsong mahogany 124 plinth in mid cartridge change.




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Also, my audio love for Terry did run deep:



Please excuse the lack of decor. I just moved in and set up the stereo and baby toys!

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Originally Posted by Cucumber_jones

I have always wondered about a 124 for a second system. Did you like yours?


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Loved it. I've had 3. Prices are quite high now, but it's lovely in a basic plinth. I prefer the garrard as I tend to think that having an arm relatively directly mounted to a chassis with a high power motor and a bunch of other moving mechanical bits will compromise the performance. But, still, when properly rebuilt or refreshed, a great table.


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