Katoomer
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Shindo owners thread
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Katoomer
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Rower, What is your system? I would love to see a pic.
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Basically all Shindo except for the A23 speaker cables
Shindo 301 tt system, Shindo WE618b and A23 T2 step ups, Shindo Giscours, Shindo WE 300b ltd, Shindo Latours and Shindo interconnects.
Bought into the system approach obviously!
No thoughts of change or upgrading.
Bongo
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Me too, minus the 301. What a great system! I do find that super tweeters helped my 604's to sparkle. That was the last upgrade - no more for me at this time.
Altec specs the 604 version used in Shindo speakers with a flat response from 30-22000 cycles.
That should be more highs than any averyge guy can hear. So why modify a perfect two way speaker to a three way system when there may be a fault elsewhere?
Try to bypass the oil caps with a foil cap in the high freq. section of the dividing network.
The only tweeter of value is a Western Electric, GIP or LM 597A because its nearly unaudible. All other you can hear easily and they destroy the homogenity of the sound.
That should be more highs than any averyge guy can hear. So why modify a perfect two way speaker to a three way system when there may be a fault elsewhere?
Try to bypass the oil caps with a foil cap in the high freq. section of the dividing network.
The only tweeter of value is a Western Electric, GIP or LM 597A because its nearly unaudible. All other you can hear easily and they destroy the homogenity of the sound.
Bongo
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Are you suggesting that I crack open my speakers and alter the Shindo designed crossover?
Any of you guys tried the NORD amps on your Shindo speakers? [emoji6].
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Obviously this Shindo designed speaker system doesnt fit your audio needs, otherwise why do you have to alter it with a low budget tweeter and destroy its coherency?
No, you dont have to "crack up" the speaker. There are screws in the back of it to smoothly open it.
But in fact, something must going wrong in your system or in your room. I already explained that this Altec is capable to have a flat frequency response from 30-22K cycles. So whats going on in your system that makes it necessary to add a second tweeter when the so called perfect Shindo dividing unit is not capable to make it audible?
You should ask that yourself and give you a right answer instead of altering an (almost) perfect speaker.
No, you dont have to "crack up" the speaker. There are screws in the back of it to smoothly open it.
But in fact, something must going wrong in your system or in your room. I already explained that this Altec is capable to have a flat frequency response from 30-22K cycles. So whats going on in your system that makes it necessary to add a second tweeter when the so called perfect Shindo dividing unit is not capable to make it audible?
You should ask that yourself and give you a right answer instead of altering an (almost) perfect speaker.
Jerome W
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Shindo, as far as I know, was not interested in frequency extension at both ends of the spectrum. Does not have anything to see with the abilities of the 604 itself.
Moreover, most people know that the specs given by Altec are not very accurate.
My 807 compression for example is given to go as high as 22kHz.
Very very far from the reality, no matter which horn you will use and the filter type.
There is almost nothing at 15k !
So Jerome, do you think that Ken had designed this speaker without enough high freq. energy so that someone had to use an external tweeter (of what quality level is another question) to get sufficient results? That means changing the whole system to three ways, you know.
To me, that couldnt be the original design intention, its just a way to corrupt a fine system.
To me, that couldnt be the original design intention, its just a way to corrupt a fine system.
Jerome W
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No not at all. Ken designed speakers to be used "as is".
But treble and bass extension have never been priorities for him.
With Kens speakers, both frequency extremes are always domesticated, but that doesnt mean that treble and bass have no priority for him. In fact, he spend much effort to give them the qualities they have with his speaker designs.
To use a third party, low budget tweeter with them is like ordering ketchup to a three star dinner. But there always will be people who prefer this taste.
To use a third party, low budget tweeter with them is like ordering ketchup to a three star dinner. But there always will be people who prefer this taste.
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The difference is, that Ken refined his speakers to a certain level of quality. And quality is mostly indiscribable. Even by auditioning, some people will still miss the point. One of those several points is coherence. An excellent chef can create such a meal with some different components combining. An amateur in Western Electric loudspeaker systems won't be able to let it shine the way Western Electric once intended it.
LOL. I owned and still own enough Shindo to participate on this thread.
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Over 7 years later and nothing has changed in my system. No desire to either. Still looking for another cartridge though!
No stereo stores, reviews or forums in the interim but looking more at vinyl again.