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    Any Shindo 604 AlNiCo owners here?

    I was planning to buy some DeVore 0/96's to pair with a Vosne Romanee and Lafon GM70 monoblocks. After an extensive listening session, we pulled out the 604's to give a listen.

    I thought they were pretty amazing. That said, we only had a chance to listen to small range of music and I definitely didn't run them through the paces. I heard enough that I'm leaning toward the 604's now, but I'd like to hear any feedback on strengths and weaknesses of this particular speaker form longtime owners.

    The dealer isn't local, so I doubt I'll have a chance to give them another in-person listen.

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    Re: Any Shindo 604 AlNiCo owners here?

    I bet they sound really nice ...


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    Re: Any Shindo 604 AlNiCo owners here?

    Yes, kev has a pair of 604's. Briguy, you should post your pitch perfect visit thread on the shark as well. I read it at Hoffman and it was great.
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    Re: Any Shindo 604 AlNiCo owners here?

    I thought the Shindo and Devore speakers sound a bit different. Devore a bit more modern, while the Shindo was bigger and more effortless. I heard the O96 and the Latours- clearly the Latours are a much bigger speaker.
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    So that being said, they really shouldn't be compared.

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    Re: Any Shindo 604 AlNiCo owners here?

    not really- the Shindo speakers have a more vintage house sound. They also are higher efficiency.
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    Re: Any Shindo 604 AlNiCo owners here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber_jones View Post
    Yes, kev has a pair of 604's. Briguy, you should post your pitch perfect visit thread on the shark as well. I read it at Hoffman and it was great.
    Sure thing... here's my report that I originally posted on the Hoffman forums:


    I've come to realize that Bill Hart gives me some of the best advice of anyone out there. He understands the sound I'm looking for (I think) and has never steered me wrong. I always wish I had taken his advice earlier. And so it is with my visit to Pitch Perfect.

    I don't think Bill knows Matt at Pitch Perfect personally since he is based on the East Coast, but he knew of them by reputation and told me 4+ months ago that I should seek them out. I finally made that happen this weekend and, of course, wish I'd made the trip earlier.

    As many of you may know, Matt is the Shindo dealer for the West Coast. He owns Pitch Perfect and also carries the really amazing Line Magnetic stuff along with a few other brands. He's all about high efficiency speakers and tubey goodness. He was based in San Francisco (my home) for years, but now runs his shop out of Los Angeles.

    About the shop... it's pretty much Disney World for audiophiles. I didn't take many pics, but you can find plenty online. The shop is perfect. It's intimate, but large enough to hold a ton of good stuff. There's really only one listening room. This makes sense since Matt is by appointment only (as all good shops should be). You get total distraction-free one-on-one attention. This certainly isn't a high volume, high pressure, move-'em-in/move 'em out kind of shop.

    The loft is the perfect size with very comfortable and homey furnishings. It isn't set up like a professional listening room. I think this is absolutely key. It's one thing to make a system sound good in a professionally treated music-only room. But the reality is that a lot of people also need to live in their listening room. You can listen with a lot more confidence when you're listening to a system in a room that looks and feels like your living room at home. If you have the benefit of a professional listening room, well, you can just imagine that you'll probably get even better sound than what you hear in the shop. That's a big plus.

    There's Shindo, DeVore and Line Magnetic equipment everywhere, but nothing feels cluttered. It's more like visiting an art gallery. If you go anytime soon, you'll likely need to wipe my drool off half the stuff.

    Matt has great taste in music. By that I mean he listens to a lot of what I like. There was a lot in the record collection. This was nice because I didn't want to bring any LP's with me since I wanted to hit up Amoeba Records before my visit which is only a few blocks away ($4 Uber ride as it turned out). I arrived and Matt had a ton of beer, wine and whiskey ready for me along with lots of sandwiches and snacks. We had an espresso first and I picked out some LP's to get started with.

    I went down thinking I'd be getting the DeVore 0/96's, so we started with those. I'm very intrigued by the Line Magnetic 219ia SET integrated. We started there, but used one of the lower level Shino's as the pre-amp.

    Even before anything had warmed up, you could immediately hear the Shindo sound everyone talks about. It's hard to describe until you hear it yourself. I guess the best way I can describe it is that it has this certain harmonic goodness where everything just sounds pleasing to the ears. Others call this "musical".

    I realize this is probably an annoying description, especially if you haven't heard the Shindo stuff and makes it easy to dismiss Shindo fans as cultists. It certainly felt a bit like that before I made the trip. But it's hard to describe in audiophile terms precisely because it seems to eschew the typical audiophile approach of exaggerating stuff (soundstage, detail, bass, etc).

    There does seem to be a certain coloration, almost like an Instagram photo filter. The Shindo filter somehow manages to color everything in this very harmonic way where EVERYTHING just seems to have this unified harmony. I realize I'm using that word a lot. It's just the only thing that seems like a good description.

    The only negative I felt about the sound was that vocals sounded different. Not bad at all. Just different than I'm used to. It didn't take long at all for the vocal presentation to seem totally natural and "right", but it was the first thing that jumped out where I was wondering if there was too much coloration going on.

    We spent 3-4 hours with the DeVore 0/96's and various Shindo pre-amp and amp combos. It's quite difficult to describe differences between the various components for two reasons. First, time was limited and so there were only a few tracks we listened to on multiple components (mostly stuff of Ziggy Stardust). Second, we hooked up the Vosne Romanee pre-amp pretty quickly and just stuck with that for the rest of the day. The pre-amp is amazing and definitely exerts a strong "sound" onto the other components.

    I'm sure differences would have been more readily apparent if I had more time to do direct comparisons. Here's what I can tell you though... they are all amazing. You know that zone you can get in when the music is so good that you just close your eyes and almost nod off like you're a little stoned from the music? Well, I can tell you that was happening on just about every track and I was most certainly not stoned. I was hypnotized and mesmerized by the tone. It just really draws you in. I've rarely had that experience auditioning other equipment and never had it so consistently over such a vast variety of music. We pretty much settled into the Vosne Romanee and the Lafon GM70 monoblocks. They are gorgeous and delivered the punch I was hoping for in spades.


    After 3-4 hours, we moved on to the big field-coil Latours. These are out of my price range right now, but I really wanted to hear what they're about. Matt played some percussion from an Indian drummer recorded in the 60's to warm the speaker up. Holy cow. It sounded like the musicians were in the room with us! The tone was amazing and you could really feel the music.


    I didn't spend as much time with the Latour's as I would have like. There just wasn't enough time and I knew that I could afford the Latour's right now. It was pretty clear after 4 or 5 tracks that the Latour's are something more than special. Maybe one day.

    The reason that we didn't have enough time to spend with the Latour's is that I eyeballed the pair of Shindo 604 AlNiCo's that Matt had in another room. They were as big as the Latour's, but with a very different approach. There's not a lot out there about this speaker, so I hadn't thought about it much and hadn't even planned to listen to them. I'm glad I did.

    The 604's definitely share the Shindo sound. I'm lazy, so I'm going to borrow what I wrote about these in another thread earlier today...

    It does a lot of what the Latour does at less than half the price. I'm leaning toward this speaker at this point, but I was only able to spend about an hour listening to the speaker and didn't get to throw a full barrage of musical genres at it.

    We started with some Chet Atkins and the tone was incredible. I was immediately intrigued. Since we didn't have a lot of time, I wanted to test the 604's with some "thicker" more thumping music. We put on some Depeche Mode. Honestly, I wasn't impressed at first. It was way too relaxed, distant and polite.

    Matt went behind the 604's and made some adjustments. Apparently, you're able to tune the speakers to your room and preference. We played the same Depeche Mode tracks and... holy smokes... it was like a totally different speaker. All of a sudden, it felt like Depeche Mode was playing right in front of me.

    We threw on some Kraftwerk and it was like getting punched in the gut. Exactly what I was looking for. We finished up with some tracks off Ziggy Stardust which were the only tracks we played on every speaker/amp combo as our baseline. Frankly, that album sounded AMAZING on everything we tried, a testament to the Shindo pre-amp as well as the quality of the recording. It's one of my favorite albums of all time, but it's never sounded as good as it did on the Shindo stuff.

    The 604's most definitely aren't 2-3x as good as the Devore 0/96's. There's definitely diminishing returns and I'd totally be happy with the DeVore's. That said, the Shindo 604's felt "worth it" for the amazing stuff they could do that the 0/96's just couldn't muster at quite the same level. You just feel the music more and the 604's seemed to get even better at the volumes I like to listen to music. They were effortless and airy.


    So... I left Pitch Perfect to catch my flight. Matt drove me in his crazy tricked out Jeep. This is no small endeavor in Los Angeles. It seemed to take forever to navigate the Saturday evening rush hour traffic. I left tired, but wishing I had more time to evaluate the big Shindo speakers.

    The next morning I woke up and kinda just said "eff it". I want the big Shindo's. The Latour's just aren't gonna happen right now, but the 604's are oh so sweet.


    I'll be putting the entire system together over the next 6 months as budget allows. Right now the plan is to get the 604's and use my PrimaLuna to drive them. I'll get the Vosne Romanee in Jan/Feb and the Lafon GM70 monoblocks around March/April if things go as planned. My only regret is that I really want to live with that Line Magnetic 219ia for awhile. That things is NICE, especially for the price. I really wish I had another room to put it in.


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    Great and interesting write up !
    Thanks a lot ! And big Congrats for the steep diving in the Shindo world !


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    Re: Any Shindo 604 AlNiCo owners here?

    So what's special about how Shindo mounts a pair of Altec 604s inside of a box vice buying/building Altec 604 boxes? Does Shindo change something on the actual Altec drivers?

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    How much are these speakers?


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    Re: Any Shindo 604 AlNiCo owners here?

    Quote Originally Posted by mike View Post
    how much are these speakers?


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    Re: Any Shindo 604 AlNiCo owners here?

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    I bet they sound really nice ...


    ok i gotta ask. are these the speakers or the crate that the real $34k speakers come inside?? cause they look like diy with wood dowels for legs to me. must be something real special inside!! they might sound incredible as i never heard them but boy are they as basic looking as it comes. sorry if anyone feels insulted but i had to say it. been bugging me all day. tannoy dc10a's are 1/2 that price and also use alnico driver and are gorgeous. im just sayin.lol.
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    I find the Shindo gorgeous.
    They have a " form follows function" appearance and they look like art to me.
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    Any Shindo 604 AlNiCo owners here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerome W View Post
    I find the Shindo gorgeous.
    They have a " form follows function" appearance and they look like art to me.
    They sound how they look?

    I had a chance to listen to Paul's Shindo amp/preamp this past weekend. It's very very pretty sounding and what astonished me was how quiet the backgrounds were (for tube amps). But at the end of the day, I found the Shindo gear rolled off on the top and struggling with complex/dynamic music (example: Mahler). If you listen to female vocals and acoustic guitar and that sort of thing, then they sounded oh so romantically delightful. I now better understand the love for these little green boxes.


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    Re: Any Shindo 604 AlNiCo owners here?

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think they look fantastic. I also think most modern speakers look like a pile of shit.

    Mep - ken does more then cram some altec drivers in a box.

    For those who don't care for the look of shindo or have never heard a shindo system why not keep your negotiate opinions to yourselves.


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    Great review briguy! It's like we were in the room with you and Matt!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    They sound how they look?

    I had a chance to listen to Paul's Shindo amp/preamp this past weekend. It's very very pretty sounding and what astonished me was how quiet the backgrounds were (for tube amps). But at the end of the day, I found the Shindo gear rolled off on the top and struggling with complex/dynamic music (example: Mahler). If you listen to female vocals and acoustic guitar and that sort of thing, then they sounded oh so romantically delightful. I now better understand the love for these little green boxes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber_jones View Post
    Hey mike what speakers was Paul using?


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    Mike while no doubt some of the greatest speakers ever both to the eye and the ear Jonathan I suspect would say they are not an idea pairing with shindo amps.

    I have no doubt they would be better suited to the mc275's.



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    I actually had the same concern (that Shindo would work well on simple music and struggle on complex/dynamic music). That's why I spent my limited time auditioning with rock and more synth-based electronic music with artificial tones and less natural bass. I was really impressed by how good Kraftwerk sounded and it was definitely gut punching. Can't comment on complex Classical music though.

    The Shindo 604's apparently have some adjustment knobs on the back to allow you to tune the bass and treble to the room/personal preferences. Like I said in my review, I didn't really ask about the adjustments but boy did they make a difference. The sound on the exact same tracks went from laid back, dark and romantic to punch-you-in-the-gut. And it never lost that feeling of effortless airyness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    They sound how they look?

    I had a chance to listen to Paul's Shindo amp/preamp this past weekend. It's very very pretty sounding and what astonished me was how quiet the backgrounds were (for tube amps). But at the end of the day, I found the Shindo gear rolled off on the top and struggling with complex/dynamic music (example: Mahler). If you listen to female vocals and acoustic guitar and that sort of thing, then they sounded oh so romantically delightful. I now better understand the love for these little green boxes.


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    Shindo is precisely about the ability to deliver all the texture and details of very complex and dynamic music.
    If this kind of music did not sound good at Paul's place, imho the reason is simple. The Montille is completely unable to drive the Westminsters. You are not hearing Shindo as it was meant to sound.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    That explains your impressions. Montille plus Tannoy. Not the best way to experience Shindo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber_jones View Post
    Mike while no doubt some of the greatest speakers ever both to the eye and the ear Jonathan I suspect would say they are not an idea pairing with shindo amps.

    I have no doubt they would be better suited to the mc275's.



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    To clarify, his system sounds incredible and the Westies are world class speakers - right up there with Strads and a handful of others IMHO. As for the rolled off slightly, Paul believes that could be due to his CD player, and I don't disagree. As to complex dynamic music, that's the reality of most tube amps with tiny PSU's. My Pass XS amps have 300 pounds of PSU's. They laugh at Mahler and anything - anything - I can throw at them. Just no comparison.

    That being said, I still can't get over how black the backgrounds were on the Shindo gear for tube amps.


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    Re: Any Shindo 604 AlNiCo owners here?

    Mike if it was the montille then that little guy had his work cut out for him. Also the fact that you both think it was the CD player would have been a helpful comment in your first post...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber_jones View Post
    I also think most modern speakers look like a pile of shit


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    hmmm i see its ok for you to express your negative opinion but others cant? im just giving my opinion on these. like i do any other product on this forum. doesnt matter the manufacturer. only in this shindo forum, people take it personally. even when they dont even own the product in question.
    its funny you think only the people who dont like shindo are ones who never heard shindo.
    very very untrue.
    lighten up some will ya , i hate my speakers too, and alot of others that i comment about .
    these speaker look like a diy joke to me. sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    To clarify, his system sounds incredible and the Westies are world class speakers - right up there with Strads and a handful of others IMHO. As for the rolled off slightly, Paul believes that could be due to his CD player, and I don't disagree. As to complex dynamic music, that's the reality of most tube amps with tiny PSU's. My Pass XS amps have 300 pounds of PSU's. They laugh at Mahler and anything - anything - I can throw at them. Just no comparison.

    That being said, I still can't get over how black the backgrounds were on the Shindo gear for tube amps.


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    On the black background... we always had to wait until the music started playing to adjust the volume. Even turned up loud, there was no telling humming from the speakers that let's you know you've set the volume way too high. I think this is partly responsible for why everything sounds so airy. There's just more/better space between the music.

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    Tannoy recommends 50w to 225 watts for these speakers. The montille is well below this. I think it is 18 watts at the most.


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    Quote Originally Posted by briguy View Post
    On the black background... we always had to wait until the music started playing to adjust the volume. Even turned up loud, there was no telling humming from the speakers that let's you know you've set the volume way too high. I think this is partly responsible for why everything sounds so airy. There's just more/better space between the music.
    I agree. I was simply amazed at the blackest black backgrounds. I don't remember reading that about Shindo gear before. It also tonally sounded so beautiful - but I'm sure the Westies had something to do with that too.

    As I said, color me green, I was impressed. Paul has a real keeper system. I do think a pair of CCQ's or the SET 300b amp would be the icing on the cake.


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    I will chime in since Mike mention my system.

    I had these in my system .



    I have both speakers in the system with DeVore O/96



    and Yes they do shows some struggle with complex and dynamic music. I had more gears come and go last 6 months ( more than Mike LOL)

    I heard better amps on my Westies and O/96 in terms of dynamics,punch and speed (i.g : The Tenor and Allnic ) but no other brand produced the vocal better than Shindo period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petro85 View Post
    hmmm i see its ok for you to express your negative opinion but others cant? im just giving my opinion on these. like i do any other product on this forum. doesnt matter the manufacturer. only in this shindo forum, people take it personally. even when they dont even own the product in question.
    its funny you think only the people who dont like shindo are ones who never heard shindo.
    very very untrue.
    lighten up some will ya , i hate my speakers too, and alot of others that i comment about .
    these speaker look like a diy joke to me. sorry.
    Actually I don't roam threads insulting things other people like. I am not suggesting that you do. People just seem to pop up in shindo threads expressing negative opinions and they have never even need a shindo system that is properly set up and put together.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerome W View Post
    I find the Shindo gorgeous.
    They have a " form follows function" appearance and they look like art to me.
    It's a plywood box with dowels attached at the sides. I wouldn't call them ugly, but IMO, they don't look like anything special either. How about a fancy veneer, or something to lessen diffraction such as roundovers, etc...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    I will chime in since Mike mention my system.

    I had these in my system .



    I have both speakers in the system with DeVore O/96



    and Yes they do shows some struggle with complex and dynamic music. I had more gears come and go last 6 months ( more than Mike LOL)

    I heard better amps on my Westies and O/96 in terms of dynamics,punch and speed (i.g : The Tenor and Allnic ) but no other brand produced the vocal better than Shindo period.
    Yeah vocals are insane. These amps are not over 50w either. They are awesome though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    They sound how they look?

    I had a chance to listen to Paul's Shindo amp/preamp this past weekend. It's very very pretty sounding and what astonished me was how quiet the backgrounds were (for tube amps). But at the end of the day, I found the Shindo gear rolled off on the top and struggling with complex/dynamic music (example: Mahler). If you listen to female vocals and acoustic guitar and that sort of thing, then they sounded oh so romantically delightful. I now better understand the love for these little green boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber_jones View Post
    Mike if it was the montille then that little guy had his work cut out for him. Also the fact that you both think it was the CD player would have been a helpful comment in your first post...


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    If the CD player is still the Mac player that definitely was a serious detriment to the experience. As a transport it is ok but the DAC is awful IMO.

    Just looking at the volume knob set to 11 o'clock on the VR is very revealing.

    My room is nearly four times the size and ten foot ceilings. Playing at that volume level for more than a few minutes would blow me out of the room.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NOLG4EVR View Post
    If the CD player is still the Mac player that definitely was a serious detriment to the experience. As a transport it is ok but the DAC is awful IMO.

    Just looking at the volume knob set to 11 o'clock on the VR is very revealing.

    My room is nearly four times the size and ten foot ceilings. Playing at that volume level for more than a few minutes would blow me out of the room.


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    FYI, I tried several CD players and Turntables .

    Some can be better or worse than Shindo sounds. IMO its just what you prefer. Some will never like the Shindo some do so let's leave at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    Sounds underpowered. Seems like most Tannoy guys say 50 watts for a reason.
    Well, FWIW, I thought the Tannoy's sounded way better than the O/96's with the Shindo gear. The Tannoy's really sounded in beautiful musical harmony with the Shindo gear. Damn, I didn't want to stop listening.

    As for the O/96's and Shindo, was very underwhelming. Combining gear that struggles with dynamics with speakers that do too was a bad mix IMO.

    Paul had another amp there (forget the name) that sounded better with the O/96's and when I heard the O/96's at RMAF with whatever gear they were using there, they sounded better.

    The thing that I find about the O/96's in general is that they sound good with female vocals, guitar, etc. But they don't seem to handle complex/dynamic music well. Maybe it's just me - but that's what I hear anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Well, FWIW, I thought the Tannoy's sounded way better than the O/96's with the Shindo gear. The Tannoy's really sounded in beautiful musical harmony with the Shindo gear. Damn, I didn't want to stop listening.

    As for the O/96's and Shindo, was very underwhelming. Combining gear that struggles with dynamics with speakers that do too was a bad mix IMO.

    Paul had another amp there (forget the name) that sounded better with the O/96's and when I heard the O/96's at RMAF with whatever gear they were using there, they sounded better.

    The thing that I find about the O/96's in general is that they sound good with female vocals, guitar, etc. But they don't seem to handle complex/dynamic music well. Maybe it's just me - but that's what I hear anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Well, FWIW, I thought the Tannoy's sounded way better than the O/96's with the Shindo gear. The Tannoy's really sounded in beautiful harmony with the Shindo gear. Damn, I didn't want to stop listening.

    As for the O/96's and Shindo, was very underwhelming. Combining gear that struggles with dynamics with speakers that do too was a bad mix IMO.

    Paul had another amp there (forget the name) that sounded better with the O/96's and when I heard the O/96's at RMAF with whatever gear they were using there, they sounded better.

    The thing that I find about the O/96's in general is that they sound good with female vocals, guitar, etc. But they don't seem to handle complex/dynamic music well. Maybe it's just me - but that's what I hear anyway.


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    John would be surprised to hear that. He voiced the 0/96's with Shindo.

    We all have our opinions I guess.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NOLG4EVR View Post
    John would be surprised to hear that. He voiced the 0/96's with Shindo.

    We all have our opinions I guess.


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    I've wanted to love the O/96's ever since I first heard them....and when I hear them with something like Shelby Lynn Just A Little a Loving, I think "oh man, these sound sweet". Then I put on something complex and blah...

    As for Shindo and Devore, John said he uses lots of different amps at home - including SS amps which is what he likes to demo with. I can see the SS amps giving some control and needed dynamic punch to the O/96's.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    So what's special about how Shindo mounts a pair of Altec 604s inside of a box vice buying/building Altec 604 boxes? Does Shindo change something on the actual Altec drivers?
    Sure, you could buy a pair of 604C/D/E from eBay and put them in any number of Altec cabinets/alignments or follow the advice of a multitude of forum experts, but I guarantee you won't get the results much less the live character that Shindo's tuned (& somewhat unique) cabinets and crossovers will deliver.

    Quote Originally Posted by Face View Post
    It's a plywood box with dowels attached at the sides. I wouldn't call them ugly, but IMO, they don't look like anything special either. How about a fancy veneer, or something to lessen diffraction such as roundovers, etc...
    That veneer is Tamo Ash I believe, which is quite a "fancy" veneer. If diffraction, resonances, or such things affect your ability to connect to the music then Shindo speakers probably aren't for you.

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    Ok...we are off topic (my fault).....back to the 604 AINiCO speakers.


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    Kevin where are you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber_jones View Post
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think they look fantastic. I also think most modern speakers look like a pile of shit.

    Mep - ken does more then cram some altec drivers in a box.

    For those who don't care for the look of shindo or have never heard a shindo system why not keep your negotiate opinions to yourselves.


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    Instead of getting defensive, why not answer the basic questions I asked? Does Shindo modify the 604 drivers? What sets the Shindo cabinet apart from the cabinet that Altec designed to house the 604 drivers for recording studios to be used as monitors? I'm not attacking the Shindo 604 speakers, just asking some basic questions. Cripes.

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    Mep. I neither own them or work in the business. I do know that ken modified every thing he built. I would love to see what is in the cabinet but I bet I never will.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Petro85 View Post
    hmmm i see its ok for you to express your negative opinion but others cant? im just giving my opinion on these. like i do any other product on this forum. doesnt matter the manufacturer. only in this shindo forum, people take it personally. even when they dont even own the product in question.
    its funny you think only the people who dont like shindo are ones who never heard shindo.
    very very untrue.
    lighten up some will ya , i hate my speakers too, and alot of others that i comment about .
    these speaker look like a diy joke to me. sorry.
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    A diy joke...that's an interesting phrase. DIY perhaps in the sense that Shindo diy'd it probably 30 years ago if not more and refined the design until his death. I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder. These are mine, but they are field could not alnico and at a $25,000 premium over the alnico pictured, I suppose I had a wide range of looks to choose from in speakers. I think the Shondo are beautiful. I came from Tannoy prestige series and the Shindo do feel crafted as opposed to the "produced" feel of the Tannoy. Take out of that what you will.

    And the sound....please. It's amazing. Like the op, I've got a VR with the GM70. The 604 in my room is like a tailor made speaker in an electronic system designed for it. It's amazing. To me, and to most Shindoists, music reproduction and system building is not an art, it is art. Many do not appreciate this approach. That's ok. There is a dark corner for everyone in this hobby.

    One of my favorite pieces on this topic - by Herb R. And actually currently posted at Enjoy the Music - touches on this approach:

    "To be successful at building an amp or speakers, I maintain you must PICTURE, in your mind, how you will look and how you will feel playing discs. I mean how it will feel to put the disc on/in the player. I mean how you think you will look in the room lighting, standing in front of the player and between the speakers. I mean try to imagine how you will feel putting on the disc and sitting in the chair, dreaming and carrying on, in the new world you have created. This is your time machine, your sanctuary. This is your religion. You are the wizard, the movie director, the conductor, the mad scientist! When you create your own music system, you create you own new music culture. I really like the feel of playing 78s. It takes me somewhere."

    Shindo as a DIY joke. It's a somewhat coarse statement. A sentiment poorly expressed, perhaps. Yes, they look like a wooden box and, yes, probably most people assume that they can build a wooden box. No, they are not made of space age material and, no, they don't come in Lamborghini paint colors. To those who are familiar with and appreciate a Japanese aesthetic and to those who understand the multi decade artisanal approach to the craft employed by Shindo, they are near the pinnacle of what can be achieved in this approach to the hobby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Instead of getting defensive, why not answer the basic questions I asked? Does Shindo modify the 604 drivers? What sets the Shindo cabinet apart from the cabinet that Altec designed to house the 604 drivers for recording studios to be used as monitors? I'm not attacking the Shindo 604 speakers, just asking some basic questions. Cripes.
    I cannot speak to the alnico. On mine Shindo converts the drivers to field coil and builds a custom power supply. There is also a customer crossover. As to the cabinet, bracing, porting and internal stuffing and wiring are unique as they are with anyone who builds their own enclosure. It's like his Garrard plinth. Anyone can build one...he refined his over the course of nearly 4 decades.

    Look, really, if you don't like it, but some GPA drivers and stuff em in a home brew box. I've done that too and it ain't half bad. No one needs 30 to 60k speakers, but they sure sound nice.

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    Kevin where are you?


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    Don't come around much...for reasons plainly obvious in the thread. I mean, buy the freaking westminsters... They are ok. Maybe not the match with Shindo electronics that Shindo speakers would be but not too shabby. I personally look at this and ask myself whether this speaker was designed and tuned over the course of a career to match my system. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1413857967.831795.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    They sound how they look?

    I had a chance to listen to Paul's Shindo amp/preamp this past weekend. It's very very pretty sounding and what astonished me was how quiet the backgrounds were (for tube amps). But at the end of the day, I found the Shindo gear rolled off on the top and struggling with complex/dynamic music (example: Mahler). If you listen to female vocals and acoustic guitar and that sort of thing, then they sounded oh so romantically delightful. I now better understand the love for these little green boxes.


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    Contrary to prior posts, this phenomenon may be able to be explained by .., specs. This is also why JH is constantly willing to take the heat from know it alls while advocating a system approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev313 View Post
    Don't come around much...for reasons plainly obvious in the thread. I mean, buy the freaking westminsters... They are ok. Maybe not the match with Shindo electronics that Shindo speakers would be but not too shabby. I personally look at this and ask myself whether this speaker was designed and tuned over the course of a career to match my system. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1413857967.831795.jpg
    Kev - any shots of the inside of the Shindo speakers?


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    Re: Any Shindo 604 AlNiCo owners here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Kev - any shots of the inside of the Shindo speakers?


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    Not from me, my friend. As you might guess, one of the side benefits of being a Shindo owner is dealing with the Shindo black marketeers who contact you looking for pictures, measurements, cap values etc for reverse engineering purposes. I don't claim to know anything about the experience of other participants here. But if you are familiar with this corner of audio - and by this I mean small volume tube producers who wade the same waters as WE, Altec, etc - you have been to the larger DIY forums where there is a robust international discussion devoted to discussing and copying Shindo circuits and designs.

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