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Perhaps to avoid some of the distractions the other Shindo threads get, maybe this one can just be got Shindo owners.
In particular, anyone considering any upgrades? I must say I am basically done with my system.
I would like to find another backup cartridge for my 301.
Anything else new in the Shindo or Devore or A23 world?
Keep your eyes on A23. I anticipate a long line of A23/ Line Magnetic speakers. There are at least 4 or 5 models I could've gone for instead of Shindo. It's really an embarrassment of riches. Devore, no offense, doesn't interest me quite as much. A totally different world to me.
Disclaimer: I've always been a vintage guy at heart and my first real amp as a real audiophile was 2a3 based. As such, A23 and LM appeal to me like a modern day WE. Devore, not so much. I've owned a few pair, tho.
I'd love to do a LM system. The top line amplification is so interesting. Maybe with some a23 speakers or the big LM horns. Whooo yes. Sadly, there is no room in the inn.
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I need to look more closely at the new a23 speakers. The solovox was a legend but single driver didn't interest me.
I would love to get those big old western electric theater horns. Maybe too if I had the space.
I also mentioned elsewhere, I spent a small fortune and bought a matched pair of western electric 300b tubes from the mid 1950's.
Now how will they sound if I swapped out the 1988 pair from my 300b amps?
My a23 lm755 hommage will be here Monday!
Since the air is very thin where your amps live I doubt the responses will be either numerous or helpful. Matt or JH will be your best guides in this area.Quote:
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That was a rhetorical question, though certainly didn't make that clear. I am just going to try. And I wanted back up tubes anyway.
Though when you mentioned very thin air, at first I was thinking, I live at sea level!
My last post in shindo thread. Its so good to know the shindo will work with anything depends on your taste.
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You may live at sea level but your amps and speakers at a much higher level. Very few Shindo owners have your setup. Good and bad. Good, one of the best systems around. Bad, hard to get advice or experience from anyone other than your dealer. Enjoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by rower
Good post. To each his own choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh
you may have spent a small fortune now, but they won't drop in value any time soon.. (what other hobbies can you say that about?)Quote:
Originally Posted by rower
time for some WE 274B next, or perhaps just some older production 5R4GY?
I don't see the vintage WE going down in price.Quote:
Originally Posted by omodo
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Yes, I don't know why this is so difficult for everyone, but I don't think any of the Shindo owners - and this is an owners thread - disagree or have ever disagreed with the fact that you have every right to do high end audio in whatever way makes you happy!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh
Your post is swell, but clearly you are trying to make your point front the other thread. Please leave it there. This thread is owners comparing notes and intended to be devoid of the controversy as clearly stated.
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Looks like Jerome got rid of his Wilson's for Harbeth, completely or just to try?
I should get a pair of WE 274b's, but I don't think the need for replacement is as great, but frankly they just aren't as exciting as 300b's for some reason to me.
I agree that old WE tubes are a great investment, unless someone really produces better sounding ones. There are ripoffs out there though. Re stenciled etc.
Well said Kev. Moving forward on that thought could you take a few minutes to talk to us about your new speakers. Just your impressions on general characteristics, speaker placement etc. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by kev313
Don't worry....As I mentioned that was my last post in Shindo forum. Happy listening :hi:Quote:
Originally Posted by kev313
You may be surprised by the difference a really good rectifier makes. There are cheaper options than the 274B to experiment with.. (early RCA - dark brown base, double angled getters, for example)Quote:
Originally Posted by rower
I love the room with the Kensingtons and the orchid on the wood table. I would love to listen to music in that room.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh
The one with the pillows on the ceiling is just plain odd? Paul, remember, fresh start for us all. Stick around please.
I'll be over on Tuesday!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cucumber_jones
Rower, What is your system? I would love to see a pic.Quote:
Originally Posted by rower
Basically all Shindo except for the A23 speaker cablesQuote:
Originally Posted by Katoomer
Shindo 301 tt system, Shindo WE618b and A23 T2 step ups, Shindo Giscours, Shindo WE 300b ltd, Shindo Latours and Shindo interconnects.
Bought into the system approach obviously!
No thoughts of change or upgrading.
Me too, minus the 301. What a great system! I do find that super tweeters helped my 604's to sparkle. That was the last upgrade - no more for me at this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by rower
Altec specs the 604 version used in Shindo speakers with a flat response from 30-22000 cycles.
That should be more highs than any averyge guy can hear. So why modify a perfect two way speaker to a three way system when there may be a fault elsewhere?
Try to bypass the oil caps with a foil cap in the high freq. section of the dividing network.
The only tweeter of value is a Western Electric, GIP or LM 597A because its nearly unaudible. All other you can hear easily and they destroy the homogenity of the sound.
Are you suggesting that I crack open my speakers and alter the Shindo designed crossover?Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter
Any of you guys tried the NORD amps on your Shindo speakers? [emoji6].
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Obviously this Shindo designed speaker system doesnt fit your audio needs, otherwise why do you have to alter it with a low budget tweeter and destroy its coherency?
No, you dont have to "crack up" the speaker. There are screws in the back of it to smoothly open it.
But in fact, something must going wrong in your system or in your room. I already explained that this Altec is capable to have a flat frequency response from 30-22K cycles. So whats going on in your system that makes it necessary to add a second tweeter when the so called perfect Shindo dividing unit is not capable to make it audible?
You should ask that yourself and give you a right answer instead of altering an (almost) perfect speaker.
Shindo, as far as I know, was not interested in frequency extension at both ends of the spectrum. Does not have anything to see with the abilities of the 604 itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter
Moreover, most people know that the specs given by Altec are not very accurate.
My 807 compression for example is given to go as high as 22kHz.
Very very far from the reality, no matter which horn you will use and the filter type.
There is almost nothing at 15k !
So Jerome, do you think that Ken had designed this speaker without enough high freq. energy so that someone had to use an external tweeter (of what quality level is another question) to get sufficient results? That means changing the whole system to three ways, you know.
To me, that couldnt be the original design intention, its just a way to corrupt a fine system.
No not at all. Ken designed speakers to be used "as is".Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter
But treble and bass extension have never been priorities for him.
With Kens speakers, both frequency extremes are always domesticated, but that doesnt mean that treble and bass have no priority for him. In fact, he spend much effort to give them the qualities they have with his speaker designs.
To use a third party, low budget tweeter with them is like ordering ketchup to a three star dinner. But there always will be people who prefer this taste.
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Originally Posted by Walter
Bad Walter - this was clearly labeled for posts by Shindo owners only. Thanks.
Hi, is there someone who have compared a Shindo Petite or big latour in a Shindo system with a Western electric / Line Magnetic 22a or 16a horn speaker? Where are the strength of each speakers?
The difference is, that Ken refined his speakers to a certain level of quality. And quality is mostly indiscribable. Even by auditioning, some people will still miss the point. One of those several points is coherence. An excellent chef can create such a meal with some different components combining. An amateur in Western Electric loudspeaker systems won't be able to let it shine the way Western Electric once intended it.
LOL. I owned and still own enough Shindo to participate on this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by rower
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Over 7 years later and nothing has changed in my system. No desire to either. Still looking for another cartridge though!
No stereo stores, reviews or forums in the interim but looking more at vinyl again.