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Excited to hear more about this!
Very nice!
Any advanced specs on the bass drivers?
Hope it’s at AXPONA.
Yeah, here we go again. A new Magico product to test the longevity of my M3's. Obviously no upgrade option for S5Mk2 owners. Q7 was the only upgradeable speaker Magico ever did, right?
Interestingly, the S5 MK2 were launched in 2017. So a 7 year product cycle is not bad at all.
Or, one could not worry about it, and just "...enjoy the music", as Hans B. says.
So much of the high-end audio market is based on MSB: Male Seeking Behavior.
"I have the Reference Signature, but if only I had the Reference Signature Platinum, I'd feel fulfilled."
Until the Reference Signature Platinum Grandioso version comes out, that is. 😺
Any idea what the price point will be on these?
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Nice. I purchased the S5 Mk2 about six years ago and am intrigued by the Mk3 version. I agree that the price will be between $60-$70K. I have contacted my local dealer to inquire about availability and cost.
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Hi Mike,
Thank you for the pricing. That is significantly more than I anticipated. I might be listening to my S5 MkII for many many more years....
Well it does compare in US MSRP to the Wilson Alexia V which starts at 71 K now.
I also feel your pain on the crazy pricing of everything (not just “high-end” audio) but, If something of a particular worth exceeds your sense of value, ignore it, don't make the purchase. Value of all things is in the eye of the beholder. You vote with your wallet :-)
My guess was $67K. Obviously I was 10% too low.
In general, high end audio inflation (pricing) is far exceeding the general economic inflation numbers. But as long as we, audiophiles, continue to buy the stuff they'll continue to raise prices.
Back to the S5, it looks really good. The new S3 sounds terrific so this S5 has to be fantastic.
Agree with your comments. Magico is riding the wave of the success their investment in technology and R&D has yielded. No doubt Magico will continue to push the envelope in performance and price.
I am certainly not pleased with the S5 2024 MSRP. Based on what I've heard the S3 2023 performance represents a relative "good value" proposition v. the competition (place the competitive brand/model here).
Will the S5 2024 represent a similar advantage v. the competition? I won't know until I have a chance to hear it first hand. But as Magico pushes the price point higher, Magico encourages the consumer to consider additional brands that perhaps were not on the consumers radar.
Speaking for myself, brands like Goebel, Zellaton, Von Schweikert, now invite comparison to the S5 2024 at the announced MSRP. I am certain there are many more I could include.
At the $67K price estimate you made Ritmo (assuming a commensurate increase in performance for the S5 2024 v. the S3 2023) the new S5 would be the proverbial "no-brainer" for me. At $75K, not as much.
It appears that many high end manufacturers believe the demand for their products is inelastic. Only time will tell if they are correct.
The S5 mk2 came out 9 years ago.
Avantgarde’s Duo Mezzo XD was $55k 9 years ago at launch, the new version is $95k today.
If I’m not mistaken, the Wilson Alexia has also gone up by about the same amount over the same time period.
I don’t mean to be coy, but I can really see where the money goes with a Magico product. I can’t say the same for many of their direct competitors.
Reminds me of the Porsche forums…everyone complains about the price increases, but their products just get better and better and better and exceed their competitors.
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While I have a great affinity for high-end audio, especially Magico speakers, forgive me if I find myself pondering the steep prices associated with such premium audio equipment.
Just for proportion, the 2024 Mercedes-Benz E-Class begins at $63,350 and can climb to $73,540 based on the chosen trim and optional features. Perhaps not reaching the heights of Porsche car and prices, but still offers a blend of luxury, performance, and advanced technology in a stylish and sophisticated package.
At current inflation rate prices on most items will double every 8 yrs, RE , food and car prices for eg , maybe bugs instead of beef to control :)
I think that in percentage price differential between S3 mk1 to S5Mk1, and S3 mk2 to S5 mk2 was much less then what we see with S3 m3 to S5 mk3. Correct me if I’m wrong.
I get that completely; ~4 feet tall and 262 lbs is a lot of speaker. As a Magico A5 user, I have no doubt the performance jump from the S5 mk2 to the S5 2024 will be equal to or beyond that of the S3 2023 to its predecessor.
My contention is, speaking from my perspective, there is a downside to Magico moving the price point further upmarket. Instead of booking an S5 2024 order immediately to replace the A5 in my system, I will most certainly shop every alternative I can audition. And there are numerous exceptional speakers in the $75K-$85K MSRP price point.
For example, I auditioned the Goebel Divin Marquis recently and was very impressed. At the time I thought its $90K MSRP disqualified it from consideration. With the Magico release of the S5 2024, the Goebel is now in play and, IMO, it is the one of the benchmarks I will use for comparison.
Maybe (hopefully?) the S5 2024 will meet or exceed the performance of the competition. But the competition is now being drawn from a larger, deeper pool.
The same can be said for the S3 2023; however, the price increase in percentage was not nearly as significant as that of the S5 2024 (despite new S5 being taller and larger, it is only 17 kg heavier than the S3 2023).
For less than half the price difference between the S3 2023 and the S5 2024, one could purchase the new S-Sub, which can pressurize a larger room and effectively address many of the acoustic issues commonly experienced in most rooms.
I am a bit more cohesive in my preferences, so speakers like Goebel or any other line-source tweeter with conventional mids/bass are not something that I am interested in.
I never considered Magico a bargain product (although the value is evident to me). For those who value the Magico proposition (all around, not just cost), finding a replacement at any price will be hard. In fact, I would argue that in the high-end, the more expensive the speakers, the worse the engineering, and usually the sound, gets.
a 30K price increase give the dealer another 15K without doing anything.
Henry, what you're saying might indeed be true regarding the 150-400Hz range (of course, it greatly depends on the room), but have you had the chance to listen to the latest S3 with the new S-Sub? At last year's Munich High End show, I had the opportunity to hear Magico demonstrate both in a large room, and the results were exceptional.
Why did Magico switch to foam surrounds in the latest versions (S3 2023 and S5 2024) of the S-series speakers?
Dear Everyone:
As a Magico S5 Mk2 owner I am considering upgrading to the newer version. However, after reading last night I discovered that on the newer speakers that Magico switched to using a foam surrounds on the midrange and woofers. My Mk2 version have rubber surrounds.
From what I have read on-line modern foam surrounds are made from polyether and they generally last 15-20 years while in contrast rubber surrounds can readily last 30-40 years.
I have read commentary that Magico's foam surrounds will last several decades.
A few questions I have:
1) Does anyone have technical specifications on the type of foam that Magico uses in their surrounds?
2) How does Magico know that the foam surrounds will last several decades? Have they exposed the surrounds to humid environments, UV lights, and ozone and determined that that surrounds did not fail after exposure that would be typical after a 20 lifetime?
3) Maybe I am being a bit conservative here, but using a less durable material on a $75000 MSRP speakers seems perplexing to me. Do other manufacturers use foam surrounds at this price point?
If I buy this speaker I am planning on keeping it for several decades. There is no guarantee that if the surrounds fail after 15-20 years that one will be able to source new surrounds; Magico might not even be in business 20 years from now to source new drivers. Hence my concerns and questions.
Lastly, I am not being critical of Magico's decision, but trying to understand what materials were used and what tests were performed on the newer foam surrounds to guarantee their longevity.
Given the (almost) $30K price increase from the S5 Mk2 to the S5 Mk3, I would NOT consider an upgrade to the Mk4 if and when it comes out. I plan to retire in the next six years so this purchase would have to last a good 25 years for the ROI to make sense. Otherwise, I will just keep the Mk2 which are no slouch of a loudspeaker by any means.
How does S5 compare to M3 ..?