New Accuphase integrated on the way..
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New Accuphase integrated on the way..
Wow!
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I have the e650 and it is awesome. This one will likely change your listening world
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I see what they were trying to do but it looks disproportionate
I love Accuphase. Looks like a hefty piece.
Looks like they have finally gone to a one piece faceplate
How much?
$21k.
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Mike, I know it's easy for me to spend your money but the Accuphase line would be a real score for you. I know Luxman kind of covers that territory with it's integrated amps. But from what I've read they (Accuphase and Luxman) don't sound that much alike. Joe would be happy to loan you the coin, LOL!! :rolleyes::celebrate008_2:
^ Please do tell!
I have attempted to contact them with 2 questions and not only was the owner not available but no one returned my calls. Eventually their secretary responded with what I would consider a less than thoroughly thought out reply.
It also shocks me that they charge so much for these products but yet cant be bothered to ship them to Dealers or customers any other way than by "ground" service. This is absurd.
ebay also has Luxman Integrateds selling from Japan way cheaper than US pricing. Not just Accuphase.
Buying 100v gear for our market would be insane for someone to do... especially for these prices
If you buy "gray market" Accuphase do it at your own peril. You will lose all warranty coverage.
Sorry but you don't know what your talking about in regards to Accuphase gear. It has UNIVERSAL Voltage inside of every one of their products. All that is required is moving a jumper cable from one place to another. I have the Diagram. I have a buddy in New Jersey that travels to Japan twice a year on business. He always bring back Accuphase gear...goes to a Pro Audio Shop in Brooklyn, NY and has them switch the jumper cable for peanuts. Its like a 15 minute job from start to finish. This is why AUDIO CUBES (in NEW YORK CITY) does so much business with 100V Accuphase gear and other brands where there is Universal Voltage transformers inside. Audio Cubes has a nice discount BUT if you can get it direct from Japan the price is DIRT CHEAP. A E650 you can get for less than $6000 USA Dollars and that's at a 20% Discount from AUDIO UNION in Japan. They have MANY Locations. Sure there is no warranty....how many people do you know that have had defective Accuphase gear. None of my buddies pieces have ever needed any service of any kind in all these years. I think its a good gamble.
Here is an example. The E-800 when available here has a $21,000 MSRP. At AUDIO UNION in Japan the MSRP is just under 1.1 Million Yen. With a 20% Discount that brings the price to $7887 USA Dollars.
^ Listen, you can do whatever you want with your money. But if you think a mucked around and disassembled 100V unit has the same value as a factory unit built to 120V spec then you are sorely mistaken. In your scenario you will certainly not receive any sort of warranty work on our continent no matter how hard you try. Oddly enough I dont see you owning any Accuphase gear, interesting.
Well. I do not think we can blame no one in this scenario, I am in the car business and you know how many Chinese people come and buy those hi-end cars due to price difference here vs their country? For example, as Camaro, it's more than double in China vs North America. So it is what it is
Disassembled? The parts are already inside. Switching the cable from 1 location to another is hardly rocket science. Already fully aware there is no warranty here in the USA. As far as resale value....How much cheaper do you think an E-800 would go for than the $7900 you paid for it? You certainly wouldn't lose much if anything....maybe 1K at most. Id lose a lot more buying the same piece here in the USA at an insane price of 16K-17K and then having to dump it for 12K-13K.
I don't own any Accuphase gear because I don't listen to lightweight music which is what Accuphase excels at. Too polite for me and my taste.
A Buck/Boost single phase transformer can also be used to supply 100VAC components from a 120VAC outlet. Cost is less than $200.00.
https://www.larsonelectronics.com/im...MT-BBT-D01.jpg
The accuphase E-800 may end being a great integrated.
But the distributor mark up is insane. I would never buy product marked up that much, no matter how exclusive it is.
I wish that luxman, pass or gryphon will come up with class A reference integrated with at least 50w 8 ohm and double at 4 ohm
so it can drive wider range of speakers.
This does not look to be anything new. Look at this snippet from 2012
03-18-2012 5:41pm
Thank you everyone for your responses. I read some similar threads and Accuphase seems to be the most favored although Luxman should be shown no disrespect. I got a quote on a new Accuphase e-360 for 10 grand. Whew, I certainly can't afford a new one so I'll be searching for something used.
03-19-2012 3:44am
Wow, that's over double the price of a new E-360 in Japan. Thanks!
Sure..you could do this but think about what you would lose...no warranty for any problem. Interesting that you don't suggest the same solutions on another forum where you moderate....
hmm... maybe because the owner is an Accuphase dealer and your thick as thieves?
^ Because he knows he would be banned immediately I think
Out of respect for Mike and Joe I am going to keep this civil. I never claimed I was an expert, know it all etc. Far from it. I only know what my ears have heard and liked. I have heard 3 different Accuphase INT's in the past few years and its not the sound I prefer for my musical tastes. Feel the same way about Audio Note. They don't "Rock" to my liking. There is no right or wrong with anybody's opinion about what they prefer. If I had your Ears and musical taste Im sure I would LOVE Accuphase. I know at least half a dozen people who owned Accuphase gear and they ended up ditching it for Luxman, Simaudio, Shindo, Doshi and other brands I cant remember.
Gene.......My post was simply a suggestion for those interested in being able to control supply voltages, nothing more. I would have no issue posting the same information on any forum if the discussion turned to supply voltage issues. It is self evident there would be no warranty on 100VAC Accuphase components sold in the USA. Doh!
The remainder of your comments are uncalled for, but not surprising. The Internet is run amok with self appointed keyboard generals. We don't know each other, so I don't have a clue where your rancor is coming from. I do find it interesting that in your nearly four and a half years as an Audio Shark member with a grand total of 105 posts you decided I was important enough to spur you to increase your forum contributions. It's good to know I still have the ability to motivate people.
dznuts.......I feel honored that in your three and a half years with Audio Shark you became motivated enough to suddenly include me in one of your 117 posts. Thanks for piling on. It's great to have followers, even ones that don't like me for whatever reason. It seems to me you are holding on to a pointless grudge for no good reason. I am curious why that is.
Quite frankly, I believe my nearly 3400 posts in four and a half years of membership on Audio Shark have been positive thoughtful contributions to this forum and speak for themselves. I enjoy Audio Shark. It's a great audio forum, and I am glad to have made some friends here. Unfortunately, it is a shame there always seems to be people looking to bring someone else down. Such a useless waste of energy in my opinion.
Everyone, please keep this civil. I don't like the sniping and innuendos. Please don't use this as a place to settle grievances or try and make statements.
Joe.......These transformers are built to operate at 50/60Hz. Here is a link to Larson Electronics website. They have a transformer for almost any voltage and phase.
https://www.larsonelectronics.com/ca...SAAEgL4Z_D_BwE
Anyone had the opportunity to listen to the E800?
I meant no disrespect to Jdandy; A long time forum contributor who's posts I have also enjoyed in the past.
I came across as rather rough in my criticism. Blame it on my enthusiasm for the brand and one too may Maker's Mark.
Now Gene, was this you? [emoji6]
https://www.wnky.com/2-gm-employees-...bowling-green/
I would love to see the video of this!
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Nope, not me! Although Ive done more than 25mph over!
Also..My beard (if I had one) would be way too gray! :D
Not to beat the dead horse again, but I always wonder if Luxman can sell products outside of Japan with similar prices in Japan, why can’t Accuphase? It’s a shame really as Accuphase makes superb gear.
Also, it’s quite rare to see Accuphase and Magico together. I’m very intrigued about the sound Gene is getting from his S7’s. Very nice system BTW, Gene.
I still have a soft spot for Accuphase.
I agree that even though I probably paid more than was necessary, the tremendous enjoyment I get from Accuphase more than makes up for the mark-up.
Whats one supposed to do? I have to pay what they say it costs and i'm not prepared to go though all the potential hassle of importing 110v models from Japan
and probably degrade the sound with a step-up transformer and loose all warranty coverage.
I'll swallow hard,hold my nose and pay because it's been ( and probably will continue to be) more than worth it.
I am not referring to importing 110V units
All Accuphase gear has multi-Voltage abilities included. No need for a Step-up Transformer. You just have to switch the jumper cables around inside.
$21,000 is quite a bit of money for an integrated amp IMO. A certain dealer (who shall remain nameless) is already telling us to expect a price increase and most of this year's allocation of E-800s have been spoken for.
I guess if you are loyal to brand, price is not relevant. I've owned a couple of Accuphase intreated amps - nice gear, well built. I prefer Luxman and think it offers better value.
For Half of that you can get one from Audio Cubes in NYC. For about 1/3 of that you can get it from Japan.
If I'm not mistaken, Luxman dropped prices on their top line gear about 25% when they went from an independent US distributor to company-owned US distribution several years ago. That said, I think I'm also hearing that Accuphase's US distributor may charge a higher markup than Accuphase distributors in other geos (?).
Correct GSOphile. The main factor is the US importer's approach to business.
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I honestly don’t know the details but if what mentioned is true, this US Accuphase distributor is solely responsible for preventing many interested parties to enjoy the Accuphase gears in the US.
I’m not sure what his or her calculation shows, in terms of comparison between less quantity with super high margin vs. more quantity with lower margin. But decision to go that route is an insult from consumer point of view.
Maybe, some of you will say to me that I have no idea what I’m talking about, which is true. But I’m waiting to be enlightened.
The details (pricing) are right on the internet for anybody to see. Here is the link to Audio Union in Japan https://translate.google.com/transla...p/&prev=search Just convert YEN to USD.
Here is the price on AUDIO CUBES in New York City ($10,400) https://audiocubes.com/collections/amplifiers?page=2
This is the same Dealer that banned me for raising issue with the fact the Axiss ships all Accuphase gear by Ground Service, that is a slap in the face when paying this kind of money. Its also true that Accuphase NEVER made any power cables... they were all knockoffs, yet he was selling them proudly.
Another question is why Accuphase is okay with this?
Why should that dealer remain "nameless" considering we all know who it is (At least to those that are members here and also that "other" forum, of which there are quite a few) and although there has been mention of a sell-out, never a peep about a price increase. Not sure why you would have a price increase when it just came on the market.
Just to keep a perspective there are many examples of high-end integrated amps selling for far more than 21k. So,really no big deal here.
I was told by said dealer yesterday that there WAS going to be a price increase. Just reporting the news!
I think the point being made is not about the absolute price or the expensiveness of it, but more than 2x price difference between geo’s. Other high end integrated amps that are priced $21k in North America are still probably approximately $21k in Europe or Asia. This one is not.
I'd much rather be discussing the excellent engineering, build and sound quality of the Accuphase, but that's probably not going to happen.
Way too many bellyaching, penny pinching audiophile's getting in the way.
If you look at my posts, I don’t complain about high end price 99.9% of the time. This is really not about penny pinching.
If you can stomach >100% mark up (more like >150% really if you include the general 50% dealer margin of high end), all the more power to you. I wouldn’t be able to.
For example, I absolutely love my Gryphon Diablo 300, but I won’t buy it for $32,000 knowing it can be had for $16,000 in Denmark.
My Accuphase cost me exactly what my dealer (he's the one who will remain "nameless') here in the US said it would (less a generous discount). I could care less that some fellow in Japan got it for less. Good for them. That's what he pays there.
Now..can we get on to giving and hearing opinions about Accuphase sound quality...which is a very real thing to discuss and stop all the whining about pricing or do we continue to beat a very dead horse,imo. Again...probally not going to happen.
God!.. how i wish there was a Accuphase forum for owners only!
No one is preventing you from discussing Accuphase sound quality. You can continue ask/discuss/opine however you want. People who has knowledge of what you say will reply you.
If you don’t like pricing posts, just ignore them. No one is pointing a gun to the head asking your opinion. This is a public forum, not a family or friends whatsapp chat.
BTW I like Accuphase. Never owned any but few times I heard I think they sound great.
lol, sorry.
accuphase was my nr1 brand when i was a boy. really dreamt about that stuff.
i did own the ps 12xx, didnt do anything so eventually i ve sold it.
that said, in switzerland it is a big brand and much more available than solution or ch precision, goldmund, nagra etc.
i know many people who owns accuphase and like it a lot. the piega people for example love it. it is a perfect combination.
From the FAQ Section of Audio Cubes
Are products carried by AudioCubes Japanese models (100V)? Will I be able to operate them?This question is often asked by customers so please please note the answer: YES.
All items requiring the use of electricity will come with a high-end matching Japan-made transformer, free with your order. There has been no report from our customers with sound degradation nor short-term/long-term issues affecting your equipment. Some products may be able to configured to operate in your local voltage. Please see the product page for availability and information.
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With all due respect that's completely inaccurate. The Grey Market models sell USED here in the USA for slightly less than what they cost Brand New in Japan. My friend in Jersey has dumped numerous ones on EBAY when new models comes out. Last one I remember him selling on EBAY was a E-600 and he got 4500 for it. Didn't take long to sell either. Believe that was slightly more than he paid for it in Japan. No step-up transformer needed.
Probably because they don't care or its simply not worth their time as its the US and Canadian Distributors issue. I would never buy a 100V unit... I guarantee it wont be factory sealed and who knows its history or whats been tinkered with it.
I really do believe their gear is engineered phenomenally well... they are as dead silent mechanically while turned on as any other piece of gear thats turned off. That is impressive, no transformer hum or buzz at the case or at the speakers. This takes effort and serious quality control. Would I buy any at the US pricing? NO... but I can certainly see why they sell.
I absolutely love Accuphase
Yep that's true. The statement about the boxes not being sealed or tinkered with is ridiculous thou. Everything Audio Cubes sells is just like buying in Japan except your gonna pay a few grand more. Ive known many Accuphase owners...none have ever needed any service done on their gear to my knowledge. If one is going to gamble on a piece of Grey Market gear Accuphase is probably the safest bet.
^ Absolutely agree.
The way I look at it, using E-800 for an example, rolling the dice for $10,400 can result in 2 scenarios.
1. I flip it after few months/years at half the price, which I honestly don’t think it’s that hard. This could cost slightly more expensive than buying/using/selling other high end brands. But it could also be similar.
2. Somehow my unit dies, can’t find someone to fix and I lose all of $10,400. But then again, you’d have to pay $10,600 more out front if you buy it at $21,000 for service and whatnot. Besides, is it guaranteed to recuperate at least half of $21,000 when the time comes and you sell. Probably not because, with units at $5,000 on the used market, it just won’t sell at $10,000. I do acknowledge that there may be a nice discount you could be getting buying at $21,000.
Either way you lose, just like many other high end brands. Everybody is different, but I do get antsy if the cost I’m looking at is at a level where I don’t feel too bad of losing (only somewhat lol). I’m very interested in comparing E-800 vs. Diablo 300 in my system.
Or...forget all this and just continue “penny pinching” for a set of M2s.
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I didn't think you had to have actual knowledge to spout off on this or any forum topic or at least it doesn't appear that way.
Stirring up trouble and just being plain ignorant seem to be his M.O. Don't know how Audio Cubes would stay in business for 20 years (In New York City no less) by selling Open Box...aka tinkered with... items.
Where in any of my comments did I say I was successful at anything? I left the work force to become the Full Time Caregiver 24/7 365 Days a year for my Dad (For several years) who suffered from Dementia, Parkinsons and Type 2 Diabetes. I threw away my 20+ Year career in I/T so my Dad wouldn't have to be put in a nursing home. If I was successful at anything I hope I was successful for the most part at being a good son.
It's a shame that we cannot have respectful commentary and debate without personal attacks. I know are an OCD fueled group of individuals with strong beliefs regarding aspects of our hobby but that does not take away from the fact we should be civil.
No, clearly "guarantee" was improperly used here. Just wanted my strong opinion on the matter to come through.
As everyone knows these electronics are serialized. Every successful Manufacturer I know of has territory restrictions that they enforce. I don't imagine that Audiocubes, who is not an Authorized Accuphase Dealer in North America can continue to source, import and sell equipment not destined for this Market, as a full time business no less. I would imagine the serial numbers are either removed, modified or replaced to avoid the source in Japan, or elsewhere, being exposed. Even if Accuphase doesnt care Im sure if Axiss or Audio Alliance contacted them with this complaint and serial numbers they would act.