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Isoacoustics Gaia Speaker Isolation
Does anyone use these or similar devices? I have padded carpet over concrete and have always found spikes that penetrate the carpet and padding are definitely better than flat feet. But I have never tried any product like this. My speakers are Quad ESL-2805s.
http://www.isoacoustics.com/products/gaia-series/
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I just re-shoe my sopra with them in about a month or so
Another good stuff for your bucks i would say, image more focus , mid bass lush and tighter compare to the original spike.
I don't have carpet underneath, just a ceramic concrete tiles. Yet have a chance to try other brands too though
Hope it helps
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Milk_vanilla
I just re-shoe my sopra with them in about a month or so
Another good stuff for your bucks i would say, image more focus , mid bass lush and tighter compare to the original spike.
I don't have carpet underneath, just a ceramic concrete tiles. Yet have a chance to try other brands too though
Hope it helps
Thanks Jesse. Were the spikes resting on cups before?
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Pleasure,
Cup = Spike base? Yes they were.
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I tried a set of Isoacoustics for my 4367's. The spikes are a bit short and I have thick carpet over concrete, and, at the time I thought raising the speakers up a bit could be good.
People raved about these things. I absolutely could not stand the effect, I found no good from them. To me the music became gutless and I can only describe the sound as similar to speakers being very apparently out of phase. I honestly didn't want to listen to my system when the stands were used.
In case it could make a difference the bottom of my speaker where you screw in the spikes is not flush with the cabinet, so a square piece of wood was custom made with a hole, once the wood fit over the part not flush, it became a flush area for the Iso's rubber cup to meet the speaker cabinet. Without the piece to make a flush area the stands couldn't be used. I really can't see how this would make any difference, but, who knows.
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Hello
I have a pair of Gaias 3 Under my audiophysics virgo 25
When I had them , I was surprised that it was some sorbothane like material Under the metal enclosure
However , I can only vouch for them
My speakers do not sound the same , better may be , but it's a question of taste
4 weeks have gone , since installation , and I am keeping them
Have a demo at home .. may be it can suit
Cheers
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got some iso pucks today to put under some standmounts , be intersting to see what they do .
solidly made and grip the speaker well and a good alternative to blu tac !!
http://www.isoacoustics.com/iso-puck/
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Mr Peabody
I tried a set of Isoacoustics for my 4367's. The spikes are a bit short and I have thick carpet over concrete, and, at the time I thought raising the speakers up a bit could be good.
People raved about these things. I absolutely could not stand the effect, I found no good from them. To me the music became gutless and I can only describe the sound as similar to speakers being very apparently out of phase. I honestly didn't want to listen to my system when the stands were used.
In case it could make a difference the bottom of my speaker where you screw in the spikes is not flush with the cabinet, so a square piece of wood was custom made with a hole, once the wood fit over the part not flush, it became a flush area for the Iso's rubber cup to meet the speaker cabinet. Without the piece to make a flush area the stands couldn't be used. I really can't see how this would make any difference, but, who knows.
Were you using one of the GAIA products with carpet spike bases or another IsoAcoustics product? The GAIA speaker isolators by themselves don't have spikes.
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GSOphile
Were you using one of the GAIA products with carpet spike bases or another IsoAcoustics product? The GAIA speaker isolators by themselves don't have spikes.
These are for GAIAs. The spikes are short.
Scroll down on the products page:
http://www.isoacoustics.com/products...series/gaia-i/
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-J9g68K...t-Spikes.html?
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If memory serves the stands I tried had like rubber that went against the speaker and the same on the side that went against the floor. I say stands but they only raised the speaker about 5 to 6 inches.
The experience baffles me, only because I see so much positive comment on these things. I'd say it was the size of my speakers but they make them for B&W and other large models as well.
Just as a side note, the floating of a speaker goes against the norm, sort of the opposite of spikes. And, what's with the need of all that internal bracing if the speaker will just float?
I keep open mind though, at one time I couldn't imagine how an upgraded power cord could make any difference, amongst other ear opening events.
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GSOphile
Were you using one of the GAIA products with carpet spike bases or another IsoAcoustics product? The GAIA speaker isolators by themselves don't have spikes.
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I believe the basic physics behind the GAIAs and similar offerings, some quite pricey (e.g., Magico MPODs & SPODs), is based on "constraint-layer damping."
http://www.audioshark.org/image/png;...BJRU5ErkJggg==www.sciencebuddies.org
Constrained-layer damping is a mechanical engineering technique for suppression of vibration. Typically a viscoelastic or other damping material, is sandwiched between two sheets of stiff materials that lack sufficient damping by themselves.
Constrained-layer damping - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constrained-layer_damping
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Originally Posted by
GSOphile
I believe the basic physics behind the GAIAs and similar offerings, some quite pricey (e.g., Magico MPODs & SPODs), is based on "constraint-layer damping."
http://www.audioshark.org/image/png;...BJRU5ErkJggg==www.sciencebuddies.org
Constrained-layer damping is a mechanical engineering technique for suppression of vibration. Typically a viscoelastic or other damping material, is sandwiched between two sheets of stiff materials that lack sufficient damping by themselves.
Constrained-layer damping - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constrained-layer_damping
Actually the GAIAs are designed to move back and forth front to back. Therefore the instructions to always place the logo facing the front. I do not know or understand all the details but I think it has to do with countering the force of the drivers. I got that information from a representative of the distributor.
From the website:
"GAIA provides a high degree of isolation while resisting lateral movement and oscillations to maintain alignment with the listening position. Internal reflections from the hard-supporting surface are attenuated resulting in greater sound clarity and openness."
Effective or not? Every isolation device I have ever tried had some "magic" formula. Most are sitting in my junk drawer. But some worked very well but not in every application. What I learned is the only way to know for sure is to try.
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Mr Peabody
If memory serves the stands I tried had like rubber that went against the speaker and the same on the side that went against the floor. I say stands but they only raised the speaker about 5 to 6 inches.
The experience baffles me, only because I see so much positive comment on these things. I'd say it was the size of my speakers but they make them for B&W and other large models as well.
Just as a side note, the floating of a speaker goes against the norm, sort of the opposite of spikes. And, what's with the need of all that internal bracing if the speaker will just float?
I keep open mind though, at one time I couldn't imagine how an upgraded power cord could make any difference, amongst other ear opening events.
Sounds like you had something like the ISO-L8R series stands and not the GAIA threaded footer, which is an entirely different product. For me the effect of the GAIAs was very positive on my JBLs.
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the iso pucks i put under the standmounts clearly improved imaging quite a bit and gave them more `body` and most certainly made a difference . a very flexible option . they hold 9kg each so i guess you might be able put them under a modest floorstander as well . but standmounts or monitor is what they are designed for
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Rantz, you are correct, I had a stand type thing, not threaded feet.
This description is exactly what the stand I had was supposed to do. As I mentioned the theory defies logic to me knowing how a driver in a cabinet works. Allowing the cabinet to float would seem to allow enursha, keeping the driver from stopping and starting accurately smearing sound. The amp is supposed to control the driver, on the stands is like steadying jello.
My speakers are currently using their own spikes and sit on fairly plush carpet over concrete. I wonder if the feet would do anything?
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Dizzie
Actually the GAIAs are designed to move back and forth front to back. Therefore the instructions to always place the logo facing the front. I do not know or understand all the details but I think it has to do with countering the force of the drivers. I got that information from a representative of the distributor.
From the website:
"GAIA provides a high degree of isolation while resisting lateral movement and oscillations to maintain alignment with the listening position. Internal reflections from the hard-supporting surface are attenuated resulting in greater sound clarity and openness."
Effective or not? Every isolation device I have ever tried had some "magic" formula. Most are sitting in my junk drawer. But some worked very well but not in every application. What I learned is the only way to know for sure is to try.
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I think different type of speakers require different kinds of footers. Have not tried the Gaias but tried Stillpoints at some point and felt they muddled up the sound (made it more lush, but less precise).
Back on good ‘ol spikes.
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Kuoppis
I think different type of speakers require different kinds of footers. Have not tried the Gaias but tried Stillpoints at some point and felt they muddled up the sound (made it more lush, but less precise).
Back on good ‘ol spikes.
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I tried Stillpoints under my speakers as well and didn't like the results.
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I’ve been thinking about putting some pucks under my center channel for a while.
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I'm using Stillpoints Ultra 5's on my speakers and they changed the presentation of sound, which required alterations to the setup of my speakers. But, it was a definite improvement. I definitely wouldn't say the sound got more lush. The sound spread out and got thinner in my system. But adjusting the speakers for this wound up being an improvement in focus and tone. I had upgraded from Stillpoints Ultra SS.
My floor is hardwood and not particularly sturdy or even. I'm not sure that Stillpoints are the best choice for my floor, but I did get an noticeable improvement from them.
I have threaded inserts for my speakers on the way to audition the Gaia I footers on my speakers to see what they bring to the table (or the floor).
I'll let post my comparisons versus the Stillpoints Ultra 5 after the inserts arrive and I spend some time listening and adjusting my speakers if needed.
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rrwmd
I tried Stillpoints under my speakers as well and didn't like the results.
Rance,
What speakers and what type of flooring?
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Dizzie
Rance,
What speakers and what type of flooring?
At the time I tried the Stillpoints I had some Legacy Focus SE speakers. Tried them on both concrete and carpet. As I recall, the sound seemed to lack some dimensionality on both surfaces.
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rrwmd
At the time I tried the Stillpoints I had some Legacy Focus SE speakers. Tried them on both concrete and carpet. As I recall, the sound seemed to lack some dimensionality on both surfaces.
Hi I am thinking of buying a set of the Gaia 1 for my 4365. May I ask what is the thread size of your 4367 ? I am not sure if the thread size of the 4365 and 4367 is similar, I believe the Gaia 1 comes with 3 different sizes of screws? which one did you use on your JBL?
Thanks
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Welcome to the forum, thank you for joining.
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stargazerang
Hi I am thinking of buying a set of the Gaia 1 for my 4365. May I ask what is the thread size of your 4367 ? I am not sure if the thread size of the 4365 and 4367 is similar, I believe the Gaia 1 comes with 3 different sizes of screws? which one did you use on your JBL?
Thanks
I'm sorry, I honestly don't know for certain the exact thread size...only that one the sizes of adapters in the kit was the exact size for the 4367s. (For some reason I 'm thinking M12, but this could be wrong.)
You would probably need to check with JBL to find out the exact thread size for your 4365s.
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rrwmd
I'm sorry, I honestly don't know for certain the exact thread size...only that one the sizes of adapters in the kit was the exact size for the 4367s. (For some reason I 'm thinking M12, but this could be wrong.)
You would probably need to check with JBL to find out the exact thread size for your 4365s.
Thanks, I think you could be right on the M12 thread size.
JBL informed me the thread size is 1/4'' - 20, but I found them to be small. Even the M8 is too small for the 4365. I believe, 4365 and 4367 shares the same footer size, i.e. M12. Can you look into your unused threads that came with the Gaia 1 package? if only the "smaller" thread screws remains, that M12 is the one underneath your 4367 now
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stargazerang
Thanks, I think you could be right on the M12 thread size.
JBL informed me the thread size is 1/4'' - 20, but I found them to be small. Even the M8 is too small for the 4365. I believe, 4365 and 4367 shares the same footer size, i.e. M12. Can you look into your unused threads that came with the Gaia 1 package? if only the "smaller" thread screws remains, that M12 is the one underneath your 4367 now
I am using the largest of the supplied three sets of adapters. According to the Gaia product infomation sheet this would in fact be the M12 thread size.
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rrwmd
I am using the largest of the supplied three sets of adapters. According to the Gaia product infomation sheet this would in fact be the M12 thread size.
Many thanks for the information, I shall proceed to buy the footers
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Isoacoustics Orea footers under any gear it woks so good specially my holo spring 3 DAC and Allnic H3000 phonostage. It was so dramatically almost kind of upgrade cables or power conditioner.
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stargazerang
Many thanks for the information, I shall proceed to buy the footers
I have installed the Gaia 1 footers onto my JBL 4365
I got to say that the improvement in the sound department is significant and the cost of upgrade is well worth it.
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Hi All,
While this article began as a quest of sort for digital cables, my last two post says it all:
https://www.audioasylum.com/audio/ca...17/174439.html
These footers to me made me realize only a few more items are needed in my system, at which point I not longer feel the need to pursue slight tonal shadings of this or that newest greatest gear, but instead makes me more forced upon my music collection, and only adding more to it.
While my system isn't as costly as some of the ones here, I've taken all of 9 years in gaining insight into how to voice it via Cables or tweaks to suit " my ears | senses " in such a manner, I simply have come to realize my quest has indeed reached its end......., as it's good enough for me.
Be well,
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Try the less expensive AV Room Service EVP footers. Jim Smith of Get Better Sound reported a significant improvement, primarily with his subs but also speakers and other components.
There is a review at Positive Feedback (i don't have enough posts to provide the link).
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Bumping an old thread.
I am using the Gaia ii in my setup and just like most reviews have stated, the change is immediate. I did always think to myself from day one with just an amp, my setup sounded veiled and still somewhat muddy (but cant say i didnt like the extra oomph) only since i had to turn up the volume to break thru it. Along the way, i did so many little things to remove veiling amongst other things...(always had a volume bias to the right side so my stage always veered towards that direction forcing me to keep moving my head to find the middle - very annoying.
The Gaia ii helped since my speakers were on the stock rubber feet sitting on wood floors. I get the concept of a ‘floating’ speaker and to my ears, this is what i am hearing over not having the gaia ii. I can start to appreciate the enclosure and how solid it is. My 702s are not the end all by any means...but most of the R&D for many speakers come at the cost of the enclosure.
To mr peabody’s point though...a lot of these ‘solutions’ to making your system sound better does gravitate to sound like they’re affecting the phase. When I changed my power cord, it did just that, sounded so wide and three dimensional but it almost seems like the crossovers were raised to 160Mhz and i would lose all bottom end - wasn’t to my liking.
I do like what the gaia ii is doing to my system overall. They are staying. The fact that it isn’t part of the electronic/photon chain refrains me from thinking i didnt spend enough to get the most sound (Gaia ii are not cheap!).
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These are interesting that i may want to experiment with my components
[QUOTE=Vinyl Valet;279354]Now I do. /QUOTE]
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Fer1000, curious why you would have granite slabs underneath the speakers while using the IsoAcoustics on the speakers as well. Would the IsoAcoustics not be sufficient for some level of isolation from the hardwood floor already?
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Grubble the Isoacoustics are sufficient enough...
I´ve just included the granite because it makes them more beautifull more imponent in the general picture let say.
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Replaced my Stillpoints Ultra SS with Gaia II under my YG Acoustics Carmels. Sitting on padded berber carpet over concrete. Tightened my bass and improved both image and soundstage...albeit slightly. Moved the Stillpoints under my Music Server, so this may have also contributed.
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ptman
Replaced my Stillpoints Ultra SS with Gaia II under my YG Acoustics Carmels. Sitting on padded berber carpet over concrete. Tightened my bass and improved both image and soundstage...albeit slightly. Moved the Stillpoints under my Music Server, so this may have also contributed.
ptman, Did you use the spiked cups under the GAIAs?
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I just put them directly on the carpet. In fact, they're on a Persian rug on top of the carpet. Work well.
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I replaced SVS isolation feet under ATC SCM19A actives on berber carpet with Gaia III's and the sound just opened up in every way, bottom to top. Saying that, someone posted elsewhere about the Arya Audio Labs Revopods being seriously better -- https://www.arya-audio.com/revopod. But they are made in the UK and by the time they get to U.S. retail the price is around $2K for a set of eight.
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highstream
I replaced SVS isolation feet under ATC SCM19A actives on berber carpet with Gaia III's and the sound just opened up in every way, bottom to top. Saying that, someone posted elsewhere about the Arya Audio Labs Revopods being seriously better --
https://www.arya-audio.com/revopod. But they are made in the UK and by the time they get to U.S. retail the price is around $2K for a set of eight.
Those look nice too. I bet they don’t have the finicky locking nut issue as the Gaia’s. :) that said , they’re not going anywhere.
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highstream
Seeing the interior I think it is a very clever and interesting solution.
I bet they work properly!
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Great comparison video just streamed here in Australia: https://youtu.be/k-WlxTeqvRs
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Thanks. There was also one posted on YT from a show last year. By coincidence, a review of JL Audio’s Fathom subs was just published in StereoNet out of Australia, and the reviewer used spikes and rubber feet instead of something like Gaias or a platform, and thus got exactly what one would expect: slower and not as clear as smaller subs.
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Just bought the spiked cups. They provide an additional tightening of bass. Recommended.
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