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    Re: ARC REF 10 (Audio Research Reference 10) (mini) Review

    Quote Originally Posted by dlb2 View Post
    Mike have you ever run your REF10 with your DS450's without the REF250's in the mix? I'm just wondering how their tube pre's work with their non-tubed amps.
    Actually, no. I've been meaning to try it. I will and let you know. I had the ARC REF 10 with the Classe CA2300 and Pass XA160.5 and it was excellent with the Pass. I didn't love the Classe-ARC combo. It sounded ok....but just a bit of a mismatch. With the Pass on the other hand, it sounded exceptionally good.
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    Re: ARC REF 10 (Audio Research Reference 10) (mini) Review

    Mike...congrats! It's obviously a statement preamp and I hope it graces your system for many years to come. On trying it with just the DS450s, I would venture a guesss that you will lose a bit of the magic in terms of tonal color density, image 3dness and a bit of staging 3dness. I don't think you will hear much difference in terms of resolution or dynamics. My guess is by taking the 250s out you will just get a bit leaner and bleachier tonal pallette. Of course I am just guessing but it will be interesting to hear your thoughts if you do that experiment.

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    Re: ARC REF 10 (Audio Research Reference 10) (mini) Review

    That was my guess too Cyril. The 450's are phenomenal for bass - and that's exactly all they do right now.
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    I gave it a try (DS450M's) and other than the bass, I found it impossible to find one other area where the 450's outdid the 250's. Cymbals were harsh and digital sounding, the soundstage was completely flat. Voices sounded ok, but not as natural with good old tubes! The 250's just sound "real" and the 450's sounded very cold and mechanical.
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    Re: ARC REF 10 (Audio Research Reference 10) (mini) Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I gave it a try (DS450M's) and other than the bass, I found it impossible to find one other area where the 450's outdid the 250's. Cymbals were harsh and digital sounding, the soundstage was completely flat. Voices sounded ok, but not as natural with good old tubes! The 250's just sound "real" and the 450's sounded very cold and mechanical.
    Wow, that was fast! Thanks for doing that Mike. I guess the REF75 is back in the lead for my ARC amp. What was I thinking about when I thought that I could give up on tubes!
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    Re: ARC REF 10 (Audio Research Reference 10) (mini) Review

    Quote Originally Posted by dlb2 View Post
    Wow, that was fast! Thanks for doing that Mike. I guess the REF75 is back in the lead for my ARC amp. What was I thinking about when I thought that I could give up on tubes!
    Never! Tubes and vinyl forever!
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    Re: ARC REF 10 (Audio Research Reference 10) (mini) Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Never! Tubes and vinyl forever!
    That just makes me hungry!



    btw, what's your Avatar?
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    Congrats, Mike, I'm really happy for you! Great to hear when someone finds just that right piece of gear for their system!


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    Re: ARC REF 10 (Audio Research Reference 10) (mini) Review

    Quote Originally Posted by dlb2 View Post
    That just makes me hungry!



    btw, what's your Avatar?
    LOL! The Devialet. Oh.... The irony! I'm thinking of the Wadia Intuition (like the Devialet) for the family room system. Clean and simple = happy wife. Tubes and vinyl upstairs in the main room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by socfan12 View Post
    Congrats, Mike, I'm really happy for you! Great to hear when someone finds just that right piece of gear for their system!
    Thanks!! It really is a keeper. If anyone is in Florida - just drop me a line and come on by for a listen!
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