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Thread: The Truth Pre Amp
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October 15, 2018, 05:09 PM #1
The Truth Pre Amp
http://www.thehornshoppe.com/the_truth_pre_amp.html
Anyone hear one or have one?
http://thehornshoppeforum.com/index....t2&topic=752.0
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October 15, 2018, 05:52 PM #2
Re: The Truth Pre Amp
Can't say much for the industrial design.
Jim
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October 15, 2018, 06:04 PM #3
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Ha!
AgreedFleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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October 15, 2018, 06:09 PM #4
Re: The Truth Pre Amp
Don't lose the manual! Which one is the volume?
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October 15, 2018, 06:39 PM #5
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October 15, 2018, 07:04 PM #6
Re: The Truth Pre Amp
Last edited by joeinid; October 15, 2018 at 07:18 PM.
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NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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October 15, 2018, 07:32 PM #7
Re: The Truth Pre Amp
With that design. I guess "I Can't Handle The Truth!!"
Jim
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October 15, 2018, 08:11 PM #8
Re: The Truth Pre Amp
Thank you Joe, we will get endless humor out of this thread.
Marty
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October 15, 2018, 08:20 PM #9Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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October 15, 2018, 08:49 PM #10
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Certainly an interesting piece. Wasn't there a small British company that also had no text/marking on unit?
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October 15, 2018, 09:14 PM #11
Re: The Truth Pre Amp
I see lots of rave reviews on The Truth. Can there be something to it?
I seem to remember something about that.Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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October 15, 2018, 09:43 PM #12
Re: The Truth Pre Amp
I ran into a guy at a local hi-fi shop among those who hang around there on Saturdays sharing stories like in an old time barber shop. He collects a lot of audio gear, and has mentioned that he owns the Truth preamp and related some stories about it. He has several highly thought of 'passive' preamps from over the years, and says to be honest they all sound similarly excellent with only very slight differences between them. Given proper impedance matching between the source and amplifier and sufficient system gain, such designs offer a great level of transparency that's hard to match with an active preamp other than with some of the best designs. Hope this helps!
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October 15, 2018, 09:44 PM #13
Re: The Truth Pre Amp
Thank you very much!
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NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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October 16, 2018, 04:59 PM #14
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Even worse... how about a keyboard with no markings
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October 16, 2018, 05:48 PM #15
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That's crazy!
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NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
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October 16, 2018, 05:59 PM #16
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Re: The Truth Pre Amp
While not "The Truth", I had an LDR based pre from Aum Acoustics. All tricked out with Belleson regulators, Furutech jacks, separate power supply ETC.
It had remote capability, impedance matching, balance and more.
It was very clean and detailed sounding but lacked (soul) or warmth or bloom. And to me it just was not musical.
Perhaps "The Truth" has addressed some of this issue.
If you have an itch and need to scratch it then I guess it could be a lot worse than $995My System
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October 16, 2018, 06:28 PM #17
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Thank you for your thoughts. I also had and still have the Aum pre. I enjoyed it for the most part but agree about the soul part. It’s functionally perfect but a little too matter of fact.
I could see the Truth being similar but I need to hear it before passing judgment. I am still intrigued by all the excited reviews and opinions, especially from those with lots of experience and well thought out explanations for their opinions.Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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November 16, 2018, 01:43 PM #18
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Joe are you still interested in The Truth?
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.ph...msg1714467#newMarty
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November 16, 2018, 02:13 PM #19
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Very interesting. I’ll take a look. Thank you.
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NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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November 17, 2018, 02:29 AM #20
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November 17, 2018, 08:45 AM #21Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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April 8, 2019, 01:19 PM #22
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Re: The Truth Pre Amp
Hi All,
I came across this thread and no one yet has been able to offer an opinion on this preamp, so I’ll put something forth.
I have been reading Audio Shark for a while now and this is my first post. IMO, this is the friendliest, most positive and respectful audio forum on the net. And not by a little. A lot.
Anyhow, I just purchased “The TRUTH” a couple of months ago, used.
I started in this hobby about eight years ago and I’m not a gear flipper, so my ability to provide comparative assessment is a bit limited. The total cost of my system, both new and used is under $10K.
To start, I will say that my experience of inserting The Truth into my system is similar to the rave reviews you will read in various forums across the net. Overall, its not like the other gear swaps I have done in the past. This was a bit different different.
First, the degree of change was on the order of a new set of speakers. But what was most significant was the impact on the sonic character. And for the good.
The Truth provided a significant jump in the amount of detail. I hear things in very familiar recordings I never heard before. The sound has more of a texture to it. Much more realism.
The bass has significantly more weight than before. But its not too much bass. For me, it closed the gap on a previous shortcoming I had with my system. Now, my bass response is awesome. And the bass is refined and clear. Not muddy.
The macro and micro dynamics were significantly improved.
The soundstage pushed out much more on each side of the speaker. Tracks that lived more in between the speakers now go beyond the speakers. This was a general change in almost all recordings.The locality of the soundstage improved significantly.The speakers essentially “disappeared” more.
Of note on the above comments, I did Jim Smith’s Room Play Reference session a couple of years ago and I have my speakers dialed in fairly well in my room. My systems ability to image was pretty good before, but the addition of The Truth just made it all the better.
Putting The Truth into my system was my first jaw dropping experience in this audio hobby. I have tried three other preamps in my system. Some where better than others. But the differences in those preamps were relatively subtle compared to The Truth. The Truth is in a whole other league.
In short, for the asking price, its crazy good. (IMO). In short, I love this thing.
I am guessing that this is what a $10,000 plus preamp sounds like.
For those who have really high end gear, I think maybe not really something to be considered, but if your not the type to drop $10,000+ on a preamp, it is something to consider for sure, as long as you have done your homework to ensure it fits into your system, i.e. it has no gain.
Hope this helps.
Dave
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April 10, 2019, 07:35 AM #23
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Welcome to the forum Dave, thank you for joining and thank you for your thoughts on the preamp.
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NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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April 10, 2019, 07:46 AM #24
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Hi Dave, welcome. Excellent write up on the Pre. It speaks the Truth to you!
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August 15, 2019, 02:34 PM #25
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Re: The Truth Pre Amp
I had a Truth pre for a few years, around 2011-2014 timeframe. Keep in mind it's not a passive pre. It's a photocell resistor coupled to an active buffer. The guy claims a massive input impedance and tiny tiny output impedance, so your impedance matching should be stellar. It was a really fine preamp for me back when I had Tekton Lores, the Job 225 amp, and the dB Audio Tranquility SE DAC. The Dodd tube preamp had a bit more soul, but not nearly as transparent. I probably would have resold the Dodd quickly and kept the Truth - except...the seller brought his TRL Dude preamp with him when he delivered the Dodd. Well, the Dude never left my house. It was in a whole other league - NOT EVEN CLOSE.
Sorry, but the Truth isn't a $10k preamp world-beater. But it IS damn fine for the money. Touchy volume knob, though.
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Ok, thanks very much for the quick response.
Esoteric DAC type, DSD or PCM?