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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    Jack has a good point. What is your gear again. Lets PM. I can send you a pair of Tele to try.

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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    That First Sound preamp looks awesome! I bet it's wonderful.
    It's the best-sounding preamp I've ever heard...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Stephan

    I would suggest that before you blindly pay Uncle Kevin over $700 for new tubes that you pick up the phone and talk to Andy Bowman at Vintage Tube Services. He will discuss the equipment mix in your system and find out what sort of sound you are looking for. He will give you options that fit your criteria and the Tele's may or may not be one of them but I doubt they will cost what Kevin is charging if they are a suggestion.
    Thanks for the tip, Jack.

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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    A pic inside one of the external power supplies for each channel...wowza.


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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    Really nice looking piece. Maybe sometime I will pull the top off mine and send up a photo. Extreme opposite end of the design spectrum. Almost nothing in the box.

    Then again, besides the gain stages and buffers there are probably more similarities than differences .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Really nice looking piece. Maybe sometime I will pull the top off mine and send up a photo. Extreme opposite end of the design spectrum. Almost nothing in the box.

    Then again, besides the gain stages and buffers there are probably more similarities than differences .
    Go for it, Randy!

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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    Man I got to unhook everything and pull it out of the rack .

    Pretty much like this .

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    Maybe at some point I will add the tube active gain stage .
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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    wow -- beautiful gear!! almost tempts me to swear off integrateds

    kanjiroba yak + roon rock > t+a dac8 dsd > almarro a318b > viking acoustics berlin r mk2 | alp-tone audio analog cables

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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    The only similarity is the stepped ladder attenuator. Outside that, totally different. Your Hattor is a strait wire with a resistor inline. The First Sound is an active unit that I think does some singnal boosting.

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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    That is great. I think I like the black better then the white one! I definitely see the MBL vibe ....
    agreed with Randy, super sexy looking. Best of luck with it Stephen !
    Cheers ! …. Dave

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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    I also mark my volume knob in 3 spots with a pencil. It makes setting the volume between the two much easier. Pencil rubs off if you dont like the spot.

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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    The only similarity is the stepped ladder attenuator. Outside that, totally different. Your Hattor is a strait wire with a resistor inline. The First Sound is an active unit that I think does some singnal boosting.
    I know that... it was a tongue in cheek post . That is what I meant, similar attenuator designs (Arek's is rather famous) but "besides the gain stages and buffers" was meaning exactly what you said .
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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    I'm slow today. Had 42 fluoroscopy guided injection yesterday. Then ate a couple oxy.

    First Sound actually started out building passive devices. Somewhere along the line he went active.

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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    I wish he would make a phono pre

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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    I'm slow today. Had 42 fluoroscopy guided injection yesterday. Then ate a couple oxy.

    First Sound actually started out building passive devices. Somewhere along the line he went active.
    Ouch, that doesn't sound good.
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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    It's amazing. 2 friends are paralyzed and other still in a lot of pain from surgery. I get injections of PRP that keep me petty mobile for about 1 to 1.5 years before I need another round. Cost about $3,300 a round. I don't get why people go under the knife.

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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    Hang in there Rex. Sorry to hear about that issue. It does not sound good at all.

    Hattor does offer a SS built in active gain stage or a Tube active gain stage as an option. Who knows, maybe some day they will go the same route. I kind of like it as a passive. It just sounds so good, so natural. I do not see any need to get the active gain, but who knows. I can always add it on if I want to.

    If I understand it correctly, buffering is also a petty big difference. Without buffering there are two spots where the impedance changes and the volume is not linier. This is as expected. (I do not understand it completely but Arek described it to me. He was talking way above my understanding though.) This is one of the reasons why some people claim that the Wyred 4 Sound STP-SEs (and Stage 2's) are not true passive (I am not sure I concur with that sentiment). Even though they do not ad gain until the volume is extremely loud, they are using buffering.

    Anyway, back on subject. The First Sound looks like a beautiful unit. It must sound amazing. I do admit that I like the looks of the black one a bit better.
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    Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound

    Stephen - Great looking pre. I like the color combination and simplicity. And, the internal design and construction looks very well done and executed. Enjoy the music in good health my friend.
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