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Thread: New preamp in-bound: First Sound
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July 10, 2020, 08:58 PM #51
Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound
Jack has a good point. What is your gear again. Lets PM. I can send you a pair of Tele to try.
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July 10, 2020, 11:54 PM #52
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July 10, 2020, 11:56 PM #53
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July 11, 2020, 01:16 AM #54
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A pic inside one of the external power supplies for each channel...wowza.
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July 11, 2020, 01:31 AM #55
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Really nice looking piece. Maybe sometime I will pull the top off mine and send up a photo. Extreme opposite end of the design spectrum. Almost nothing in the box.
Then again, besides the gain stages and buffers there are probably more similarities than differences .McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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July 11, 2020, 02:13 AM #56
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July 11, 2020, 02:24 AM #57
Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound
Man I got to unhook everything and pull it out of the rack .
Pretty much like this .
Attachment 28503
Maybe at some point I will add the tube active gain stage .McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”
"You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into"
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
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July 11, 2020, 06:53 AM #58
Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound
wow -- beautiful gear!! almost tempts me to swear off integrateds
viking acoustics berlin r mk2 | almarro a318b + air tight atc-5 (phono) | clearaudio concept + virtuoso v2 MM | t+a dac8 dsd + diy transport + roon rock
alp-tone audio analog cables | core audio designs plyKraft 3L | hifi racks ltd podium t5-iii
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July 11, 2020, 11:51 AM #59
Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound
The only similarity is the stepped ladder attenuator. Outside that, totally different. Your Hattor is a strait wire with a resistor inline. The First Sound is an active unit that I think does some singnal boosting.
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July 11, 2020, 12:13 PM #60
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July 11, 2020, 12:29 PM #61
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I also mark my volume knob in 3 spots with a pencil. It makes setting the volume between the two much easier. Pencil rubs off if you dont like the spot.
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July 11, 2020, 12:52 PM #62
Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound
McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”
"You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into"
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
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July 11, 2020, 01:02 PM #63
Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound
I'm slow today. Had 42 fluoroscopy guided injection yesterday. Then ate a couple oxy.
First Sound actually started out building passive devices. Somewhere along the line he went active.
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July 11, 2020, 01:03 PM #64
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I wish he would make a phono pre
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July 11, 2020, 01:42 PM #65McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”
"You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into"
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
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July 11, 2020, 03:00 PM #66
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It's amazing. 2 friends are paralyzed and other still in a lot of pain from surgery. I get injections of PRP that keep me petty mobile for about 1 to 1.5 years before I need another round. Cost about $3,300 a round. I don't get why people go under the knife.
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July 11, 2020, 03:12 PM #67
Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound
Hang in there Rex. Sorry to hear about that issue. It does not sound good at all.
Hattor does offer a SS built in active gain stage or a Tube active gain stage as an option. Who knows, maybe some day they will go the same route. I kind of like it as a passive. It just sounds so good, so natural. I do not see any need to get the active gain, but who knows. I can always add it on if I want to.
If I understand it correctly, buffering is also a petty big difference. Without buffering there are two spots where the impedance changes and the volume is not linier. This is as expected. (I do not understand it completely but Arek described it to me. He was talking way above my understanding though.) This is one of the reasons why some people claim that the Wyred 4 Sound STP-SEs (and Stage 2's) are not true passive (I am not sure I concur with that sentiment). Even though they do not ad gain until the volume is extremely loud, they are using buffering.
Anyway, back on subject. The First Sound looks like a beautiful unit. It must sound amazing. I do admit that I like the looks of the black one a bit better.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Wyred 4 Sound ISO Recovery, DC Recovery | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
“One of the great challenges in life is knowing enough to think you're right but not enough to know you're wrong”
"You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into"
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
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July 15, 2020, 09:51 AM #68
Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound
Stephen - Great looking pre. I like the color combination and simplicity. And, the internal design and construction looks very well done and executed. Enjoy the music in good health my friend.
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Mike
Amplification: MBL 6010D, MBL 9008A Monos
Analog: Kuzma R, Kuzma 4Point (11”), MSL Ultra Eminent EX
Phono Pre: Pass XP-27
Digital: Esoteric N01XD Esoteric K05
Speakers: MBL 101E MKII
Subwoofers: REL Carbon Specials
Conditioner: Shunyata Triton 3
Power Cables: Shunyata Sigma 1 & 2, Alpha 2, Delta and Venom
ICs and SCs: Wireworld Platinum 8
Rack: Artesania Exoteryc
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February 9, 2022, 02:59 PM #69
Re: New preamp in-bound: First Sound
Just heard from Emmanuel Go at First Sound today; he's completed the updates to the latest Shunyata Research CCI-X noise filter technology for the dual external mono power supplies for my First Sound Presence Deluxe preamp, and is shipping the power supplies back to me today. I should have them back in a week or so, and they'll require about 3-4 days of burn-in and will be good to go. I also had him install ground posts to chassis ground on my power supply chassis, so I can run a Shunyata CGC cable from the power supply chassis' to the GP-NR ground terminals of my Everest power distributor, so I can make use of it's way cool ground-plane noise reduction system. If you have a Shunyata PD, you should be using this system, and if you're not...why not? 😜
The Shunyata GP-NR system is quite impressive in the benefits it brings.
I'll post an update here once power supplies are here, and they're up to speed, but my understanding is this is a notable upgrade to the First Sound preamp. 👍😉
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I guess the priority is to get the flurry of new SE units out to customers and then take care of the previous model SE upgrades. Seems to be happening that way here also.
Esoteric announce new model N-01XD...