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  1. #51
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    Re: Hattor Pre-amp Inbound

    So, what do you think of your Hattor? I am absolutely loving mine!
    Core: Hattor "The Big"; T+A AMP 8; AudioQuest Niagara 1000
    Analog: Rega RP8; Rega Ania Pro; Rega Fono MC; Record Doctor VI
    Digital: T+A DAC 8 DSD; Falcon NW PC; Roon & HQPlayer; W4S Recovery
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    Other: Astell&Kern AK240; McIntosh MR7083; Oppo BDP105


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    Re: Hattor Pre-amp Inbound

    Hi Randy,
    from the sound of hattor with AMRG resistors I'm excited, it's natural, transparent, with a lot of space, for me the ultimate choice. With a power amp understand impedance (the input impedance of my power amp is 94k), with a DAC as well, all connected by XLR cables.

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    Re: Hattor Pre-amp Inbound

    Yea, I use XLR from my DAC and out to my AMP, both the T+A pieces. I use RCA from the tuner and phono stage and out to the SubWoofer. Oh, I do have XLR from the Oppo spinner, but I never spin disks...
    Core: Hattor "The Big"; T+A AMP 8; AudioQuest Niagara 1000
    Analog: Rega RP8; Rega Ania Pro; Rega Fono MC; Record Doctor VI
    Digital: T+A DAC 8 DSD; Falcon NW PC; Roon & HQPlayer; W4S Recovery
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    : KEF R700; Elac Debut Sub 3010; Audeze LCD-i4
    Other: Astell&Kern AK240; McIntosh MR7083; Oppo BDP105


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    Re: Hattor Pre-amp Inbound

    užívat si

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    Re: Hattor Pre-amp Inbound

    Enjoy !

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    Re: Hattor Pre-amp Inbound

    I have been playing a lot of vinyl lately and the Hattor is sounding wonderful so I was giving much of the credit to the new vinyl setup. Last night I played some digital and it has never sounded better so I got to give a lot of the credit to the Hattor as well! What a wonderful sounding pre-amp with all the inputs and outputs I could ever use. I could not be happier at this point!
    Core: Hattor "The Big"; T+A AMP 8; AudioQuest Niagara 1000
    Analog: Rega RP8; Rega Ania Pro; Rega Fono MC; Record Doctor VI
    Digital: T+A DAC 8 DSD; Falcon NW PC; Roon & HQPlayer; W4S Recovery
    Speakers
    : KEF R700; Elac Debut Sub 3010; Audeze LCD-i4
    Other: Astell&Kern AK240; McIntosh MR7083; Oppo BDP105


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    Re: Hattor Pre-amp Inbound

    I decided to move some cables around a bit. I had read that the Hattor really could be made even better with certain cables on the outputs. I moved my AQ Amazon, (pure silver 1M in length) between the Hattor and the amp. I moved the AQ Anacondas (silver covered copper, 1.5M length) in between the DAC and the Hattor. So the better and shorter cable on the outputs. I had to adjust cable runs and slight gear equipment positioning to do this.

    It was worth it! More open, more impact on both vinyl and digital. Amazing improvements in sound stage, deeper, tighter bass. Very nice indeed!
    Core: Hattor "The Big"; T+A AMP 8; AudioQuest Niagara 1000
    Analog: Rega RP8; Rega Ania Pro; Rega Fono MC; Record Doctor VI
    Digital: T+A DAC 8 DSD; Falcon NW PC; Roon & HQPlayer; W4S Recovery
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    : KEF R700; Elac Debut Sub 3010; Audeze LCD-i4
    Other: Astell&Kern AK240; McIntosh MR7083; Oppo BDP105


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    Re: Hattor Pre-amp Inbound

    Hi Randy,
    I tried more xlr cables between Hattor and power amp, silver (VDH, XSymphony, AQ), hybrid and copper, I think it plays best with a cheap shielded copper cable star quad Canare (Neutrik XX gold-plated connectors) in the length of 0.8 meters. Enjoy

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    Re: Hattor Pre-amp Inbound

    I am sure it is the synergy between various cables. I do believe the output cables appear to make a large difference. I think shorter is better (in my system anyway). Silver sounded better but that vary well might have been because the cables were also shorter. I do know that exchanging these cables made a very nice improvement. I also know the Hattor is an amazing line-stage!
    Core: Hattor "The Big"; T+A AMP 8; AudioQuest Niagara 1000
    Analog: Rega RP8; Rega Ania Pro; Rega Fono MC; Record Doctor VI
    Digital: T+A DAC 8 DSD; Falcon NW PC; Roon & HQPlayer; W4S Recovery
    Speakers
    : KEF R700; Elac Debut Sub 3010; Audeze LCD-i4
    Other: Astell&Kern AK240; McIntosh MR7083; Oppo BDP105


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    Re: Hattor Pre-amp Inbound

    Another update experiment. A little background... with the Wyred 4 Sound STP-SE Stage 2 there was so much output that I could barely move the volume control without it getting far too loud. I know EJ says there is no gain until getting to the active stage, which honestly, is so loud that I never approached this. I used my Rothwell attenuators to bring the volume a little more under my control. It added the 10db attenuation without any negative sonic affects. They achieved their purpose and did what I desired.

    Last night I tried the Rothwell's on the DAC to bring my digital more inline in output to the phono stage. It did bring the outputs to similar level with the vinyl, however there was a huge caveat. I noticed very quickly that the performance was dragged down a few notches. Everything was lifeless, and much less dynamics. I noticed no sound quality difference when using these with the Stage 2.

    I can only concluded that the Hattor has moved the entire system to a much higher level in reveling the music. I believe it is more in tune with other changes in the system and forms great synergy with other components. It is so accurate and revealing that small changes elsewhere in the system are instantly apparent.

    I can honestly say I have never encountered another component that shows changes elsewhere in your system as much as the Hattor. Rather amazing in my view!
    Core: Hattor "The Big"; T+A AMP 8; AudioQuest Niagara 1000
    Analog: Rega RP8; Rega Ania Pro; Rega Fono MC; Record Doctor VI
    Digital: T+A DAC 8 DSD; Falcon NW PC; Roon & HQPlayer; W4S Recovery
    Speakers
    : KEF R700; Elac Debut Sub 3010; Audeze LCD-i4
    Other: Astell&Kern AK240; McIntosh MR7083; Oppo BDP105


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    Re: Hattor Pre-amp Inbound

    to equalize the vinyl and digital source volumes, you might try moving the dac8 dsd analog out slide switch to "VRLB" from "FIXED" and then use the volume controls as a means of lowering the output level to be more in line with that of your vinyl.

    i have not noticed any SQ impact of using the VRBL setting on the few occasions i have tried it.
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    Re: Hattor Pre-amp Inbound

    Yea, I know I can do this, and have thought about it. I have been using it in FIXED mode which literally stops the signal from even going through the volume circuit. I know it probably will make no difference in performance because of how good T+A is, but I figured they designed it to by pass the circuit entirely for a reason. The McIntosh has a similar control on the rear of the unit.

    The Hattor is so revealing that small changes become instantly apparent. I was actually surprised at how obviously the Rothwell affected the sound. I have never heard a difference in performance using the Rothwell's before .

    ... ok, I gave this a try. As suspected T+A always does things the right way! I did not notice a quality depreciation using the built in circuit within the DAC 8 DSD.

    I did a very good comparison between digital and vinyl I might add. I used Shelby Lynne Just A Little Lovin for this comparison. I have the DSD download, one of the absolute best examples of DSD in my view, and ran through Roon and HQ Player at 24.6 Mhz. I also have a 200g 45 RPM pressing for the vinyl in the comparison. Again absolutely fantastic!

    They were very close. Overall I am going to give a very tiny advantage to the vinyl, with a small caveat. The bass was slightly tighter and the top high end was ever so slightly more present. Very small subtle differences, but also some surface noise (ever so slight pops and clicks) and of course the cleaning factor. Also flipping/exchanging the album every 2-3 songs. To me they are both fantastic but different and this even more proved the point. Deal with the caveats versus ease for an incredibly subtle change/improvement.

    I really enjoy my vinyl setup. I have been enthralled building a reasonable size collection of albums and learning many of the subtleties... however at this I believe that digital will probably start getting much more playing time. I will still spin an album, but I think I am moving to a new phase where digital will once again be very important!
    Core: Hattor "The Big"; T+A AMP 8; AudioQuest Niagara 1000
    Analog: Rega RP8; Rega Ania Pro; Rega Fono MC; Record Doctor VI
    Digital: T+A DAC 8 DSD; Falcon NW PC; Roon & HQPlayer; W4S Recovery
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    Other: Astell&Kern AK240; McIntosh MR7083; Oppo BDP105


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    Re: Hattor Pre-amp Inbound

    great to hear you did not experience any SQ degradation when engaging the t+a volume circuit.

    i had a look at the rega phono MC specs -- and while the output voltage is not explicitly specified, it does say: ...designed to amplify the signal from a moving coil cartridge to a level which can feed into a 200mV line level input on a standard hi-fi amplifier. so, i suspect the rega puts out quite a bit less voltage than the t+a which for fixed output lists 2.5V for single-ended and 5.0V for balanced.

    no wonder you were hearing such a large difference in volume between your analog and digital sources.

    so, what's this new digital phase you are embarking upon? :-)
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    Hehe, nothing in particular. I have been listening to primarily vinyl for the past several months while building an album collection and learning everything that has changed since I was last into vinyl. So I will probably be giving more time to digital moving forward now that I think both sources are solidly where I want them to be .
    Core: Hattor "The Big"; T+A AMP 8; AudioQuest Niagara 1000
    Analog: Rega RP8; Rega Ania Pro; Rega Fono MC; Record Doctor VI
    Digital: T+A DAC 8 DSD; Falcon NW PC; Roon & HQPlayer; W4S Recovery
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    : KEF R700; Elac Debut Sub 3010; Audeze LCD-i4
    Other: Astell&Kern AK240; McIntosh MR7083; Oppo BDP105


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    Re: Hattor Pre-amp Inbound

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Hehe, nothing in particular. I have been listening to primarily vinyl for the past several months while building an album collection and learning everything that has changed since I was last into vinyl. So I will probably be giving more time to digital moving forward now that I think both sources are solidly where I want them to be .
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