Thread: shunyata Triton vs. the rest

At that stage where things sound really fine with dedicated line and high quality receptacle. Not looking for colored improvement. I wish I understood what a field generator does or doesn't do. OK with some science behind the design. Think Triton and some decent AC cords may b a good no regrets starting point with maybe a Typhon down the road. Thinking tron cobra or python for my amp. Would love any strong opinions.


Nick

I love my Triton. I have 2 each with the Typhon. One for the amps on 1 circuit and one for the front end on another circuit. I don't find that it limits the current at all and just makes everything quieter. Expensive but good.

They are also a great company. Grant and Caelin are great to talk to and are very good letting you know how to spend you money the most efficient way. More that once, Ive seen them give the recommendation to NOT buy an additional product of theirs because of ones system setup.

thnx Jock, any strong biases for additive effects of Typhon to system.I think one of their non tron HC 20 amp cords for triton and then begin python for my amp to start. Did you ever A/B it to audience or quantum?
Nick

I've never done an A/B in the same system. But that would be great to do.

I know that Shunyata does not recommend going with the Typhon until you pretty much max out everything else with at least the Zitron Python level. So going up to the Zitron first might be a better way to go. Better bang for your buck.

And on a personal note. The Typhon pisses me off. It's very effective, but its not in the electrical chain at all. Just plugged in to the same outlet as your other equipment. Totally passive. It shouldn't work.

And yet - YES, it makes a positive difference and worth the every penny if you are trying to extract the most from your system. Which is why I've bought 2 now.

Damn money back guaranties.

I also noted some positive effects with Qv2 and qx4 from Quantum/Nordost products. However r the effects real or just coloring what you hear and will wear off or even worse get irritating after a while. Mainly what I like is positive effects on soundstage width and depth and less harshness or sibilance if possible. But it is so inane to even put some of these devices around your speakers not just your electronics. I just want a somewhat sane approach which doesn't involve 39 steps.I feel your pain

Nick

I do know that the Shunyata is not irritating over time.

Was reading on another forum where a member had both an Audience PLC and the Triton/Typhon PLC and did a shootout. Triton/Typhon won.

I'm sure like everything else it's all system and user dependent, so YMMV...

Nick:

Find a dealer willing to lend you demo product. It really is the only way to be sure. I know it may be difficult but you may be surprised how many dealers are willing to accommodate you.

FWIW, I've been living with Synergistic Research's Powercell 10SE mk III and a complete loom of their Element C.T.S. cables (digital & analog power cords, AES digital, interconnects and speaker cables) for a couple of weeks now. After noticing "different" the first few days, I've now concluded that I can't live without them. Without the long demo, I would never have reached my current decision.

I've heard excellent things re Shunyata as well. Good luck!

I have a complete Shunyata Zytron system, and a Triton. I have to admit I love how well Shunyata gear works. I realized that a few years ago when I bought a pair of Venom cables for my previous amps. I was so impressed with the results that after a month I bought two Python CX cables to replace the Venoms, and have not looked back since then.

In July I bought a pair of Pass Labs X600.5 amps, along with a pair of Zytron Python cables, and everything is plugged into the Triton. One Friday night I am just blasting the music. My mouth was open in amazement at how well it sounded while being so loud. I just couldn't believe it. Then BAM, the sound of silence. The surge protector on the Triton tripped. After I turned it back on, it started making a loud buzzing sound when both amps were on.

I contacted Shunyata, and they took this seriously. They had UPS pick it up at my house, contacted me after they received it and troubleshot the problem, repaired it, and shipped it back to me the day after they received it. Caelin Gabriel even followed up on this issue. Along with being repaired, they included a set of spikes. Other than the inconvenience, this whole thing cost me zero.

This week I ordered a Cyclops for the amps, an Anaconda for the Cyclops, and their new Zytron Alpha cable for the DAC. Every time I read about somebody buying cables other than Shunyata I start laughing.

Gotta love such a responsive company. Many hi-end companies r typically short staff and often take several emails or calls to get a response. Recently Ayre and Rowland both took over 6 attempts Not cool. Kudos for Shunyata. SR has excellent phone support.
Nick

Originally Posted by veindoc

Gotta love such a responsive company. Many hi-end companies r typically short staff and often take several emails or calls to get a response. Recently Ayre and Rowland both took over 6 attempts Not cool. Kudos for Shunyata. SR has excellent phone support.
Nick

+1!

We should start the Audioshark Manufacturer Report Card!

Mike, that is a good idea. Everything breaks, crap happens, and we all know that. How the manufacturer, or its representatives, responds is the main factor in how the experience is remembered. I suspect many of us have horror stories about broken gear. Even the best manufacturer will make an occasional mistake, but if bad service is common then people need to know that. At the same time, good service needs to be made known. With this type of information people can make a better purchasing decision.

Originally Posted by veindoc

Gotta love such a responsive company. Many hi-end companies r typically short staff and often take several emails or calls to get a response. Recently Ayre and Rowland both took over 6 attempts Not cool. Kudos for Shunyata. SR has excellent phone support.
Nick

Rowland is known to be difficult to get via email. I used their online form to submit my 8TiHC for service (recapping after 10+ years) a few months ago and still no response. But once you get through, service is supposed to be phenomenal. Jeff usually does small fixes and upgrades for free, and charges very fair prices when he does charge.

Originally Posted by BlueFox

I have a complete Shunyata Zytron system, and a Triton. I have to admit I love how well Shunyata gear works. I realized that a few years ago when I bought a pair of Venom cables for my previous amps. I was so impressed with the results that after a month I bought two Python CX cables to replace the Venoms, and have not looked back since then.

In July I bought a pair of Pass Labs X600.5 amps, along with a pair of Zytron Python cables, and everything is plugged into the Triton. One Friday night I am just blasting the music. My mouth was open in amazement at how well it sounded while being so loud. I just couldn't believe it. Then BAM, the sound of silence. The surge protector on the Triton tripped. After I turned it back on, it started making a loud buzzing sound when both amps were on.

I contacted Shunyata, and they took this seriously. They had UPS pick it up at my house, contacted me after they received it and troubleshot the problem, repaired it, and shipped it back to me the day after they received it. Caelin Gabriel even followed up on this issue. Along with being repaired, they included a set of spikes. Other than the inconvenience, this whole thing cost me zero.

This week I ordered a Cyclops for the amps, an Anaconda for the Cyclops, and their new Zytron Alpha cable for the DAC. Every time I read about somebody buying cables other than Shunyata I start laughing.

Bud, are you using a Typhon with the Triton? Hear any discernible differences after Typhon addition?

Thx

No Typhoon, yet.

They really are great to work with.

Originally Posted by BlueFox

I have a complete Shunyata Zytron system, and a Triton. I have to admit I love how well Shunyata gear works. I realized that a few years ago when I bought a pair of Venom cables for my previous amps. I was so impressed with the results that after a month I bought two Python CX cables to replace the Venoms, and have not looked back since then.

In July I bought a pair of Pass Labs X600.5 amps, along with a pair of Zytron Python cables, and everything is plugged into the Triton. One Friday night I am just blasting the music. My mouth was open in amazement at how well it sounded while being so loud. I just couldn't believe it. Then BAM, the sound of silence. The surge protector on the Triton tripped. After I turned it back on, it started making a loud buzzing sound when both amps were on.

I contacted Shunyata, and they took this seriously. They had UPS pick it up at my house, contacted me after they received it and troubleshot the problem, repaired it, and shipped it back to me the day after they received it. Caelin Gabriel even followed up on this issue. Along with being repaired, they included a set of spikes. Other than the inconvenience, this whole thing cost me zero.

This week I ordered a Cyclops for the amps, an Anaconda for the Cyclops, and their new Zytron Alpha cable for the DAC. Every time I read about somebody buying cables other than Shunyata I start laughing.

Originally Posted by BlueFox

No Typhoon, yet.

Don't try one til you are ready to buy. It's hard to go without once you have one.

Jock, what differences do you hear using the Typhon in the chain?

Bud/Jock, do you use Shunyata PCs everywhere, ie, the Triton to the wall and components to the Triton? Is that the optimal configuration?

I have a complete Shunyata Zytron system at this time. Whether that is optimal or not I have no idea, but I am very happy with the results. As an engineer, I am impressed with their discovery of DTCD, and the ability to measure it. Likewise, the square wave response of the Zytron circuit shows the cable does not degrade the signal. I asked Caelin Gabriel how long was the cable used for the test, and he said 150 feet.

Two channel Shunyata gear:

ZR-71 outlet on 20 amp dedicated circuit.
Zytron Anaconda from wall to Triton
Triton
Zytron Python (2) to amps
Zytron Cobra to SACD, DAC, file player, preamp
Zytron Anaconda (3) XLR interconnects
Zytron Anaconda speaker cables
Zytron Python digital (AES) between file player and DAC

Gear on order:

Cyclops for the amps
Zytron Anaconda for the Cyclops
Zytron Alpha power cord for DAC

Possible future addition:

Typhoon
Zytron Anaconda umbilical

HT Shunyata gear:

ZR-71 outlet on dedicated 20 amp line for everything but TV
Zytron Python from wall to Hydra AV
Hydra AV
Zytron Cobra to pre/pro, amp
Shunyata Venom power cable to Blueray, file player, DAC
ZR-71 outlet on common 15 amp house line for TV
2 port Talos for TV
Venom HC for Talos
Zytron Cobra for TV. I removed TV hard wired AC cord and added an IEC connector so I could use a Cobra.

Bud:

That's the only way to get the full benefits of a brand's "house" sound IMO. I read a review a while back - can't recall which one - where it was opined that the final cable of the complete set made the most difference. While I don't necessarily agree that it makes the most difference, I agree wth the message. Go whole hog if possible.

It does the same thing as putting a triton in the system. Blacker blacks as they call it. It just seems like the music is coming from nowhere. It also gives more depth and space to the soundstage.

Yes I have Zitron anaconda power cords on everything and use Zitron Anaconda speaker cables and interconnects. I also have their electrical outlets in the wall.

The full Loom as they say.

Originally Posted by socfan12

Jock, what differences do you hear using the Typhon in the chain?

Bud/Jock, do you use Shunyata PCs everywhere, ie, the Triton to the wall and components to the Triton? Is that the optimal configuration?

Originally Posted by mdkim

Bud:

That's the only way to get the full benefits of a brand's "house" sound IMO. I read a review a while back - can't recall which one - where it was opined that the final cable of the complete set made the most difference. While I don't necessarily agree that it makes the most difference, I agree wth the message. Go whole hog if possible.

It's funny that you said that Michael, the exact thing happened to me when I put the Last interconnect in my system. It made the most difference of all of them.

Completing the loom was the big step !!

I use Shunyata as well. I'm very happy with the Triton and wires.

Originally Posted by BlueFox

Two channel Shunyata gear:

ZR-71 outlet on 20 amp dedicated circuit.
Zytron Anaconda from wall to Triton
Triton
Zytron Python (2) to amps
Zytron Cobra to SACD, DAC, file player, preamp
Zytron Anaconda (3) XLR interconnects
Zytron Anaconda speaker cables
Zytron Python digital (AES) between file player and DAC

Gear on order:

Cyclops for the amps
Zytron Anaconda for the Cyclops
Zytron Alpha power cord for DAC

Bud, I'm really anxious to hear your thoughts on the new Alpha, versus the Cobra you are currently using on your DAC.

Originally Posted by RLL1

Bud, I'm really anxious to hear your thoughts on the new Alpha, versus the Cobra you are currently using on your DAC.

+1

Originally Posted by socfan12

+1

+2

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Originally Posted by RLL1

Bud, I'm really anxious to hear your thoughts on the new Alpha, versus the Cobra you are currently using on your DAC.

It arrived Thursday night, along with a Cyclops and an Anaconda for the Cyclops. Anyway, I didn't want to add the Cyclops, and the Alpha for the DAC at the same time, so I installed the Cyclops, and put the Alpha on the Blueray player to get some time on it. Tonight I will watch my video reference (Avatar) and see if there is any difference.

thnx guys for all the positive feedback. I have to wait about 10 days for arrival. I wonder how beneficial the zitron viper will b on my dac compared to their new alpha pc?
Nick

Until last Thursday night I had my amps (Pass Labs X600.5) plugged into my Shunyata Triton, along with the pre, digital file player, DAC, and SACD player. To be honest, I felt this sounded great, and couldn't imagine much room for improvement, at least from a power perspective.


However, a couple of months ago I tripped the surge protector on my Triton while blasting the music, and this damaged the surge protector. While Shunyata quickly fixed it, and everything is back to normal, this incident has been in the back of my mind while playing music. Anyway, a question on another forum about whether BAT amps would benefit from using a Cyclops started me thinking about the Cyclops.

Since the Cyclops appears to be a two port Triton, but without the surge protector, I decided to buy one for the amps, along with a Zytron Anaconda, and let the 20 amp breaker deal with the amps. So now I am using both outlets on the SR-Z1 outlet on a dedicated 20 amp line. One for the Cyclops, and one for the Triton.


So, how does it sound? My expectation is that there should be little, if any difference, but it turns out there is an improvement. As soon as I turned it on Thursday night it seemed as if the music was 'softer'. Not in a db manner, but it seemed smoother, less harsh. I wasn't even aware this harshness was there until it disappeared. Now, after some burn-in, it is sounding even better. It appears a bit more open, a little more precise in the placement of instruments in the sound stage, and more natural. All in all, I am very pleased with the result, and would recommend to anyone to use the Cyclops/Anaconda with their amps. Incidentally, the amp power cords are Zytron Pythons.


One thing in the back if my mind is another 20 amp line for the amps. However, I doubt if the rest of the gear even uses 1 amp total, so it would seem as if another line is overkill, even if there is a marginal improvement in sound.

At the same time, I also installed an Alpha Zytron cable on my Blueray player. I bought this for my DAC but I didn't want to install it at the same time as the Cyclops so that I wouldn't confuse the source of any improvements. Anyway, this cord replaced a Venom on the BRP, and it is bringing out more detail and color in the picture. I use Avatar as a reference, and when these improvements happen I find myself paying more attention to what is occurring in the background than in the foreground. Maybe in a another week or so I will move the Alpha to my DAC and see if there is an improvement. The DAC currently uses a Zytron Cobra.

One thing is certain, whatever Shunyata touches, it gets better.

great to hear. I get my stuff end of next week. Could u possibly add the venom defender to your Cyclops if it lacks surge protection?
Nick

The Defender is not an option at this point with the Cyclops. The reason is the Cyclops is a two port box, and the amps use both ports. Since the Triton and Cyclops plug into the same outlet, there aren't any open sockets on the dedicated line.

Coincidentally, I just ordered a Defender this week for the TV. It, and the sub, are plugged into a two port Hydra, and I will put the Defender on the wall outlet used by the Hydra. I bought this more for its additional noise reduction than surge protection. I will find out next week if it helps.

I was concerned u might have monoblocks and no open receptacles
Nick