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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGemState View Post
    I pretty sure I know of the person you are referring to and that person thought the P20 was the cats meow up until the point they were not longer a dealer because PS Audio went direct. So the data point you speak of I take with a gain of salt.

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadHead View Post
    I have owned a P5, P10, P12, and P20...

    I am certainly no engineering expert, but all of the above did and are doing what they are supposed to do.
    With respect, no they don't. Powerplay is an advertised feature, has been promised for years, and it doesn't work for anybody. Your good-self included.

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    PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Sorry. I guess I didnít explain my thinking correctly. I bought a PS Audio regenerator to quiet my electrical noise. I plugged it in, and it did that. My system improved to my ears. Thatís all I was interested in. So, for me at least, it worked the way I wanted it to.


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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    I moved from a problem free PSAudio P10 to the Denali 6000/s V2.

    I had used the P10 in a variety of configurations. Entire system, front end only, amps only etc. I was using it only on my front end and during the winter (non-thunderstorm periods) had my amps plugged directly to their own 20 amp lines. This clearly sounded better.

    I purchased the Denali 6000/S V2 based on reviews and first connected it just to my amps. Hmmm, big improvement over having the amps connected to the P10 or directly into the wall. I then connected my entire system to the Denali with the help of a PS Audio Dectet. Huge improvement as mentioned before in dynamics and weight. My system became more relaxed and my P10 sits on the floor doing nothing.

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    PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    It's a massive improvement. I upgraded from the p10 to the Denali V2


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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    I installed my new Denali today. Can't say I hear any difference at all. Whereas yesterday I changed from Belden BAV XLR to Iconoclast 4x4 Gen2 TPC interconnect and the improvement is easily noticeable. I put those Iconoclast very close to my Crystal Cable I/C but at a fraction of the cost.

    I'm wondering if the quality of the power supplies in the electronics might have a big influence on any performance gains in using a Denali. My Halcro power amps probably don't care too much about the quality of the power going into them. Same applies for my Esoteric gear. If the pedigree of your starting point is lower might bring about the bigger gains with Denali.

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    I installed my new Denali today. Can't say I hear any difference at all. Whereas yesterday I changed from Belden BAV XLR to Iconoclast 4x4 Gen2 TPC interconnect and the improvement is easily noticeable. I put those Iconoclast very close to my Crystal Cable I/C but at a fraction of the cost.

    I'm wondering if the quality of the power supplies in the electronics might have a big influence on any performance gains in using a Denali. My Halcro power amps probably don't care too much about the quality of the power going into them. Same applies for my Esoteric gear. If the pedigree of your starting point is lower might bring about the bigger gains with Denali.

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    Give it a week or so. I didnít think much of it at first either.


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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    I remember hearing an obvious improvement when I added a P10 to feed my Devialet 240.

    Now the difference is a lot less obvious since upgrade to a 250 Pro CI and now 1000 Pro CI.

    They improved significantly the power section and I understand that current peaks are delivered by internally stored current so that the impact of power delivery appears to be reduced.

    In my book either you perceive a difference when you add a component or pretty much never. I have managed to convince myself a few times that it did improve after a few weeks, but subsequent tests revealed it was most probably wishful thinking. At least in my case.

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    I been using a Shunyata Hydra 8 with very satisfactory results for at least fifteen years. My power c-j ART power amp does go directly to the wall through an Audioquest Hurricane cord. Sometime last year Michael had an almost new AQ 5000 traded in on the 7000. He doesn't seem to take trades except for current products purchased from him. He offered it to me at a good price to move it out. I took it, subject to trial at home. Honestly, in my system I was surprised to hear little improvement, and as an old retired guy, a little improvement won't do. Back it went, think he's still annoyed but it moved quickly and all is good. I now have the Denali V2 with their top power cable. I heard a immediate and significant improvement. More, richer bass, better transients, sweeter, better highs. This thing is the real deal and unlike the 5000, my old bones can move it around for installation. And the power amp is now operating through the Denali. Thanks Michael.
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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coppy View Post
    I been using a Shunyata Hydra 8 with very satisfactory results for at least fifteen years. My power c-j ART power amp does go directly to the wall through an Audioquest Hurricane cord. Sometime last year Michael had an almost new AQ 5000 traded in on the 7000. He doesn't seem to take trades except for current products purchased from him. He offered it to me at a good price to move it out. I took it, subject to trial at home. Honestly, in my system I was surprised to hear little improvement, and as an old retired guy, a little improvement won't do. Back it went, think he's still annoyed but it moved quickly and all is good. I now have the Denali V2 with their top power cable. I heard a immediate and significant improvement. More, richer bass, better transients, sweeter, better highs. This thing is the real deal and unlike the 5000, my old bones can move it around for installation. And the power amp is now operating through the Denali. Thanks Michael.
    Youíre very welcome. But I do take trades of most products. We have seven storage units full of crap, errr...I mean stuff. Some stuff I swear will never move. A four channel Ayre amp from the 90ís is one! We use it now as a stepping stool to reach the boxes higher up. Itís free to anyone who wants to drive over and pick it up. PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    What I find funny is when someone will call me and tell me ďIíve got a Luxman tuner from the 80ís, a McIntosh CD player, doesnít work, but Iím sure you can get it fixed and some Klipsch speakers. How about I give you all that and you give me some new Pass amps?Ē

    LOL.

    The Denali 6000s/V2 is the real deal indeed. Thatís what I have at home.




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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post

    The Denali 6000s/V2 is the real deal indeed. Thatís what I have at home.

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    The Denali 6000s/V2 is the real deal indeed. Thatís what I have at home.
    Iíve had my fill of problematic Power Plants and have moved on to Shunyata. I presently have 4 Denali 6000s/v2ís, 2 in my main home and 2 in vacation homes. Also an Everest is on the way.

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by RLF View Post
    I’ve had my fill of problematic Power Plants and have moved on to Shunyata. I presently have 4 Denali 6000s/v2’s, 2 in my main home and 2 in vacation homes. Also an Everest is on the way.
    I bet I've had more problematic Power Plants than your good self. Certainly in the reliability measure I rate them as JUNK. Although other luckier punters have had better luck than me. But I say, luck shouldn't come into it. I now have a Shunyata 6000/S.
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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    I have had my Power Plant for probably 8 years or so and it has been perfect. I have been looking at the Denali and found a few things interesting. The first thing is Shunyata is very protective of their technology and finding information about what they are doing is very hard to find. Also, I am a little surprised at the low count of components inside the case, lots of air in there. I am impressed they use vibration control mats on the inside of the case surfaces. This probably explains some of the repeated comments by users such as added bass weight and smoother highs. Their products work, no question about it, but their approach by addressing the electrical side as well as the mechanical side is impressive. I could go on about how vibration changes the sound of every component in a system but I will be called a fruitcake if I do. Cheers all and belated happy new year.

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    [QUOTE=I purchased the Denali 6000/S V2 based on reviews and first connected it just to my amps. Hmmm, big improvement over having the amps connected to the P10 or directly into the wall. I then connected my entire system to the Denali with the help of a PS Audio Dectet. Huge improvement as mentioned before in dynamics and weight. My system became more relaxed and my P10 sits on the floor doing nothing.[/QUOTE]

    I was led to believe from another forum not to use my PS Audio Dectet with my Denali 6000s v2. Any comments?
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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by stereogeek View Post
    I could go on about how vibration changes the sound of every component in a system but I will be called a fruitcake if I do.
    Fruitcake or no, you'd be right about the impact of vibration on the sound of every component.

    As for what's inside Shunyata power distributors, its not the "amount of stuff" that's important, it's what the components inside DO that important. And the closer one can get to ideal or optimal functionality with fewer parts, the better; this is basis for Altschuler's Theory of Ideality, a key conceptual paradigm for TRIZ.

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by stereogeek View Post
    ..I could go on about how vibration changes the sound of every component in a system but I will be called a fruitcake if I do...
    Speaking of which. I just read in the news, in response to the current situation in Washington D.C., somebody high up in the US political system called President Trump "as nutty as a fruit cake". I wasn't aware fruit cake had nuts, I just assumed it was made of dried fruit. And I quite like fruitcake, so calling somebody a "fruitcake" would be lost on me the inference that was being made.
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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    Speaking of which. I just read in the news, in response to the current situation in Washington D.C., somebody high up in the US political system called President Trump "as nutty as a fruit cake". I wasn't aware fruit cake had nuts, I just assumed it was made of dried fruit. And I quite like fruitcake, so calling somebody a "fruitcake" would be lost on me the inference that was being made.
    Many fruitcakes sold in the US during holiday seasons often have a lot of nuts, usually walnuts. "Nutty as a fruitcake" is an American saying that goes way back...

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Fruitcake or no, you'd be right about the impact of vibration on the sound of every component.

    As for what's inside Shunyata power distributors, its not the "amount of stuff" that's important, it's what the components inside DO that important. And the closer one can get to ideal or optimal functionality with fewer parts, the better; this is basis for Altschuler's Theory of Ideality, a key conceptual paradigm for TRIZ.
    I agree 100% about how it's not about the amount of stuff in there but how it works. I also agree about how keeping it simple is key. Short story time....I bought an Aragon 4004 MKII amp many years ago to drive a pair of KEF's. To me the amp was horrible, it had that upper midrange/lower treble bump that drove me nuts. I sent it to a guy who modified it to smooth it out. He did a nice job and it sounded nice so I opened it up and saw he changed a few inches of power wiring and glued different kinds of wood to the inside of the top cover. Me and my buddy were laughing when we pulled the cover, we weren't laughing when we fired it up and played music. Cheers.

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiophilehi View Post
    I was led to believe from another forum not to use my PS Audio Dectet with my Denali 6000s v2. Any comments?
    Anyone?
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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiophilehi View Post
    Anyone?
    I wouldn't use it, if it were me. The Dectet achieves noise attenuation by the use of inductors, and my experience, these "chokes" choke the life out of music, robbing it dynamics, immediacy and lifelikeness. If you need another power distributor to have more outlets, you're better off getting another power Shunyata distributor, or something along the lines of the Venom PS8 power distributor, something that will not impact DTCD.

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    I wouldn't use it, if it were me. The Dectet achieves noise attenuation by the use of inductors, and my experience, these "chokes" choke the life out of music, robbing it dynamics, immediacy and lifelikeness. If you need another power distributor to have more outlets, you're better off getting another power Shunyata distributor, or something along the lines of the Venom PS8 power distributor, something that will not impact DTCD.
    Thank Stephen...appreciate the response and as always the great advice.
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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiophilehi View Post
    Thank Stephen...appreciate the response and as always the great advice.
    You're welcome, Paul. Cheers, mate!

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    I decided to break down and I ordered a Denali v2 from Mike the other day as the fan on my PS Audio Power Plant Premier is starting to make a bit of noise. I was going to pull it apart and see if a little bit of oil on the shaft would quiet it down but decided not to dig into it. Quite honestly, I am not expecting any big changes. Cheers.

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by stereogeek View Post
    I decided to break down and I ordered a Denali v2 from Mike the other day as the fan on my PS Audio Power Plant Premier is starting to make a bit of noise. I was going to pull it apart and see if a little bit of oil on the shaft would quiet it down but decided not to dig into it. Quite honestly, I am not expecting any big changes. Cheers.
    Interesting. They could be vey different. Keep us posted please.
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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coppy View Post
    Interesting. They could be very different.
    Ya think? LOL.

    This will be interesting...

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by stereogeek View Post
    I decided to break down and I ordered a Denali v2 from Mike the other day as the fan on my PS Audio Power Plant Premier is starting to make a bit of noise. I was going to pull it apart and see if a little bit of oil on the shaft would quiet it down but decided not to dig into it. Quite honestly, I am not expecting any big changes. Cheers.
    Youíll be happy you did. I went from a PS Audio PPP to a P15 and then a Denali v2. I still have the P15 but a much prefer the Denali.
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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    I put the Denali in the system this afternoon and I will say without any doubt that the Denali has tighter bass and better definition than the PPP. It is also more musical with better pace and drive. It took all of 30 seconds or so to decide it was staying in the system. It's weird but I don't go back and forth and A-B different components. I just change them out and it's either more musical or it's not. So, in the last year I have changed every component in my system, including cables and the equipment rack. In every instance it has been a positive change. Going to Volti speakers has been the biggest change. Going to an Ayon preamp is the next positive change. Going to a Pass XA25 and going to an Ayon CD player are probably tied for the next dramatic change. Adding the Denali is the next improvement, it's not a huge improvement but a worthwhile one. Now I am jones'n for a 20 or 30 wpc tube amp (wtf).....cheers.

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by stereogeek View Post
    ..I was going to pull it apart and see if a little bit of oil on the shaft would quiet it down..
    A PPP is easy to pull apart. Don't bother with the oil idea, just replace the whole fan. It's a stock standard cheap part. Once you've done that sell it and keep the Denali.
    Speakers: Magico M3, Q3, ACC, S-SUB | Electronics: Esoteric Grandioso | Amplification: Halcro |
    Analog cables: Crystal Cable | Digital cables: Shunyata Sigma | Rack: YG Acoustics Rack 1.4
    and YG Acoustics Rack 1.1 amp stands (pair)

    On the wish list: Esoteric Grandioso D1X. Shunyata Research Everest.

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    A PPP is easy to pull apart. Don't bother with the oil idea, just replace the whole fan. It's a stock standard cheap part. Once you've done that sell it and keep the Denali.
    Thanks for the info, I'll pull it apart tonight.

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    Re: PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

    A few more thoughts on the Denali. Besides the positive changes noted above the instruments are clearly better separated which equates to a more relaxed and musical experience. I have everything (which isn't much) plugged into it, my cd player, preamp and power amp. At the most my system draws about 650 watts which is about 5.5 amps. With the sensitive speakers I am using the amp is probably loafing along at 5 to 10 watts. I mention this as I am using a 15 amp to 20 amp IEC adaptor as I have at least a couple dozen power cords, however none are the 20 amp type. I was going to purchase a 20 amp cord but I really wanted to try the Denali with the current cords I had in the system. Overall I am extremely pleased and the PPP will be demoted to TV duty. Cheers.

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