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    Re: Pass XA25

    Quote Originally Posted by aRui View Post
    Can I ask why did you trade the XA25 for the SIT3?
    And made me purchase the SIT3 too. Lol


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    Hi,

    Yes. My only reason is because I have Avantgarde Duo XD. They are 107db efficient. The SIT3 has lower gain and offers a little sweeter and softer presentation on my speakers. I only need a few watts. My SIT3 needs a resistor across the speaker terminal to bring down the resistance that the amp sees to something that the amp can better manage. The SIT3 is a little more laid back as well giving me a slightly distant perspective on the music. It’s more tube like in its sound as well.

    If my speakers were more difficult to drive and less efficient, I’d definitely use an XA25. It’s a superb amplifier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aRui View Post
    Can I ask why did you trade the XA25 for the SIT3?
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    Re: Pass XA25

    Well, well, well, you made me buy an Accuphase E-650 but I think we both have the best gear now. Ha!


    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    And made me purchase the SIT3 too. Lol


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    Re: Pass XA25

    I have no doubt that the MA352 will be wonderful. My brother has its little brother, the MA252 and he absolutely loves it. It’s also a wonderful little integrated. Having a more powerful MA352 would be great.

    With digital sources, I always prefer a preamp in the chain. Usually a tube preamp like I mentioned previously. It helps breathe life into the music, in my opinion.


    Quote Originally Posted by aRui View Post
    I also consider the new McIntosh MA352 which would be available to audition next month in my country, not sure about the quality but it is the Hybrid design you talked about.
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    Re: Pass XA25

    Quote Originally Posted by aRui View Post
    I'm thinking about purchasing a XA25 to drive my Tannoy Kensington GRs. But I haven't had any ideas of which pre-amp to match the XA25. Would Benchmark LA4 a good choice? dCS Bartok is also in my radar but it is limited to digital stuff only. My brother had a Topping DX7 Pro and he said it could be used as a digital Pre-Amp but not sure about the quality.
    tried using my bel canto dac as pre amps a few times into my msb s200, it was detailed and a bit clinical . a good pre amp is better in my opinion. something like the xa25 deserves better
    funnily enough a xa 25 just came up for sale s/h near me in Uk but i cant afford it at the moment .
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Well, well, well, you made me buy an Accuphase E-650 but I think we both have the best gear now. Ha!
    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    I have no doubt that the MA352 will be wonderful. My brother has its little brother, the MA252 and he absolutely loves it. It’s also a wonderful little integrated. Having a more powerful MA352 would be great.

    With digital sources, I always prefer a preamp in the chain. Usually a tube preamp like I mentioned previously. It helps breathe life into the music, in my opinion.
    I would wait to audition the Ma352 to make the decision. And about Accuphase E-650, I'm not sure if it is a great int. amp. or not. Me and my brother have compared it side by side with the Luxman 590 AX II and Cary 390.2 on Tannoy Kensington GRs and found that the 650's high was harsh and the low was too tight/less impact.

    Quote Originally Posted by hifinutt View Post
    tried using my bel canto dac as pre amps a few times into my msb s200, it was detailed and a bit clinical . a good pre amp is better in my opinion. something like the xa25 deserves better
    funnily enough a xa 25 just came up for sale s/h near me in Uk but i cant afford it at the moment .
    I'm thinking about what pre-amp I should purchase now. That would be a difficult decision because there are so many options out there

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    Re: Pass XA25

    Your opinion of the E650 is interesting. Definitely a tighter bottom end. I don’t find the highs harsh but I’ll have to listen more carefully next time.

    Quote Originally Posted by aRui View Post
    I would wait to audition the Ma352 to make the decision. And about Accuphase E-650, I'm not sure if it is a great int. amp. or not. Me and my brother have compared it side by side with the Luxman 590 AX II and Cary 390.2 on Tannoy Kensington GRs and found that the 650's high was harsh and the low was too tight/less impact.


    I'm thinking about what pre-amp I should purchase now. That would be a difficult decision because there are so many options out there
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    Re: Pass XA25

    Harsh high on E650? Something is not right and as Joe and I know they need few days to settle in even it’s broken in


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    Re: Pass XA25

    +1

    I think it’s a superb integrated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    Harsh high on E650? Something is not right and as Joe and I know they need few days to settle in even it’s broken in


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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Your opinion of the E650 is interesting. Definitely a tighter bottom end. I don’t find the highs harsh but I’ll have to listen more carefully next time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    Harsh high on E650? Something is not right and as Joe and I know they need few days to settle in even it’s broken in


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    You would easily hear when compare side by side with other amps. The E650 and Tannoy Kensington GRs we auditioned were demoed ones so they would have been fully broken in. The speaker cable was Vandenhul 3T The Cloud and it is said to be the perfect match for Tannoy and Accuphase. However, the sound quality of the E650 was not what we expected. The shop owner has warned us about the E650 before we auditioned but we didn't believe until we heard it with our own ears

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    Re: Pass XA25

    This again proves how important it is to demo gear and especially demo it in your own system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    This again proves how important it is to demo gear and especially demo it in your own system.
    ... or ask for a pic of the setup in the room. The reason I mention this is if it was a room of harsh reflections, it could make anything sound like shite....

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    Re: Pass XA25

    jeff day is in the process of writing up the XA25 for PF -- his usual prologue here with a nice historical account of nelson pass and his amps...

    https://jeffsplace.positive-feedback...tive-feedback/

    btw: would anyone advise against using the XA25 without a preamp in the signal chain -- ie: direct input from a DAC with preamp such as t+a dac8 dsd, etc ?
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    Re: Pass XA25

    Thank you for the link.

    You can certainly use the XA25 direct. It’s a personal preference if you like what you hear or not. You will not hurt the amp but the sound will be a little sharper, cleaner and more detailed dac direct. Some prefer it that way, most don’t and want a preamp in the chain. A preamp will soften the sound a little but mainly add musicality. No right or wrong.
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    Re: Pass XA25

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    This again proves how important it is to demo gear and especially demo it in your own system.
    Exactly we both owned the amp with several others .


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    I have placed order on the NAD M22 V2. I want to ask if anyone has problem with the XA25 so far? 'Cause I'm going to place order on the XA25 soon. The only thing make me hesitate is my friend who was the technician told me that he fixed 2 XA25s for his customers and they got the same problem.
    EDIT: I HAVE PULLED THE TRIGGER AND PLACED ORDER ON THE XA25

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    Re: Pass XA25

    what was wrong with the xa25 `s ?
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    XA25 sounds awesome to me. Never heard of any issues with it.
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    Not sure how to describe what he told me in English. According to my friend, the issues of the 2 XA25s he fixed both related to the bias. He told me that issue was no big deal because he fixed many hi-end and ultra hi-end amps and some of those can be defective.
    Quote Originally Posted by hifinutt View Post
    what was wrong with the xa25 `s ?

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    My first impression on the XA25 and Tannoy Kensington GRs combo was the overall sound was real, especially the vocal and the air around the singers' voice/instruments were refined. However, the XA25 takes around 30-60 mins to be at its best.
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    Unfortunately all Pass and First Watt amps take up to an hour to sound their best. But the amps sound wonderful.
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    Re: Pass XA25

    I just ordered an XA25. I have been using my Oppo 205 as a source with no preamp. Existing amps are Pass DIY monoblock 7wpc, Class A. Speakers
    are rated 94 sensitivity. I do not think the "No preamp" option will work with the new XA25/Oppo 205.
    Any suggestions for a "musical" used tube preamp solution?
    $3k max.

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    Welcome to the forum

    Quote Originally Posted by gadios View Post
    I just ordered an XA25. I have been using my Oppo 205 as a source with no preamp. Existing amps are Pass DIY monoblock 7wpc, Class A. Speakers
    are rated 94 sensitivity. I do not think the "No preamp" option will work with the new XA25/Oppo 205.
    Any suggestions for a "musical" used tube preamp solution?
    $3k max.
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    Re: Pass XA25

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Unfortunately all Pass and First Watt amps take up to an hour to sound their best. But the amps sound wonderful.
    I agree and at times it actually may take longer than one hour. So, I turn mine on and then go out for a walk. An hour or so later I come back to a glorious sound. The wait is definitely worth it.
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    Re: Pass XA25

    We just got one in for inventory/stock. Ordered in August!!


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    Re: Pass XA25

    I have a used xa25 enroute. I am currently using a Parasound A21 with my Macintosh c2300 tube preamp. Looking forward to it's arrival. This will be my first Pass labs amp. I will be driving a pair of Snell JIV's that I restored that are 95db sensitivity. I listen to LOTS of vinyl.I am hoping this combo will satisfy my latest upgrade 'bug'..lol

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