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    Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    Iím entertaining one of these as my solid state preamp (even possibly with a Pass amp) for a future speaker purchase Iím considering.

    Full disclosure, I did have the XP-30 and honestly, I wasnít too crazy about it. It was almost ďtoo solid state soundingĒ for me if that makes sense.

    I understand the 12, 22 and 32 are really in a new class. I love the fact that gain on these models is under 10db. A big plus for me especially with my Avantgarde.
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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    Joe what makes you believe that Pass house sound is drastically different preamp to preamp?
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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheOctopus View Post
    Joe what makes you believe that Pass house sound is drastically different preamp to preamp?
    I didnít say drastically different but do realize more is usually more, as in better parts and better isolation.

    Iíve seen user reviews about moving up the line and appreciating the upgrade. Iíve had Pass preamps in the past and while the overall house sound is similar, the higher end versions are better, quieter, have more separation, etc..
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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    I didnít say drastically different but do realize more is usually more, as in better parts and better isolation.

    Iíve seen user reviews about moving up the line and appreciating the upgrade. Iíve had Pass preamps in the past and while the overall house sound is similar, the higher end versions are better, quieter, have more separation, etc..
    Too solid state sounding as you mentioned and quieter, more separation and better does not always mean it will be liquid tube sounding either.

    Have you ever auditioned an Ayre KX-R preamp? To my ears that was one of the best examples of how a solid state preamp should sound. Incredible resolution, detail, noise floor lower than the Mariana Trench. That preamp would spotlight the whole soundstage and shine a flashlight into the darkest, deepest recesses and corners and bring up the most subtle of details such as barely audible foot tapping, musician breaths in the distance, barely audible and the most subtle of sonic cues of the size of the recording studio, etc. At no point in time did I ever even think or pay attention to the fact it was solid state. It was all music. It thoroughly wiped the floor with any tube preamp I ever had but I still went back to my Lamm tube preamp because it still sounded more organic with the Lamm M1.2 hybrid monoblocks. Sometimes, you just need tubes Joe.
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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    Iíve owned the KXR20 and liked it. Iím probably not buying one again. It has no RCA outputs and I donít like using adapters.

    I only refer to the XP-30 that I owned as too solid state sounding. The new ones are more liquid so Iím told.
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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Iíve owned the KXR20 and liked it. Iím probably not buying one again. It has no RCA outputs and I donít like using adapters.

    I only refer to the XP-30 that I owned as too solid state sounding. The new ones are more liquid so Iím told.
    Well an audition would obviously reveal if that is the case. If you are taking a leap of faith without hearing it, I hope it all works out for you.
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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    I thought the twenty is different but it is still only XLR outputs...
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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    I own the XP-22. Itís exceptional. Here is a comparison between the 22 and 32:

    Pass Labs XP-32 First Critical Listen
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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    I have the XP-20 two-box preamp and it sounds terrific. Definitely not too solid state if you know what I mean. Using it as I write to drive an 845 tube amp. Perfect combination! Liquid gold!!

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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    I upgraded the XP-20 to the XP-22, and it was a noticeable improvement. One issue with the XP-20 is that the interconnect cable between the two chassis is a piece of throw away junk. I had replaced it with an upgraded cable (forgot the vendor), and it really improved the sound of the XP-20. Pass recognized that weakness and now includes a much, much better interconnect with the XP-22. I never bothered with the XP-30/32 since it is a three chassis design that takes up too much room. The XP-22 coupled with Pass X600.5 amps is musical nirvana.
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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    I believe PeterA did a very detailed comparison of the two preamps in another forum before replacing his 22 with a 32.

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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    I upgraded the XP-20 to the XP-22, and it was a noticeable improvement. One issue with the XP-20 is that the interconnect cable between the two chassis is a piece of throw away junk. I had replaced it with an upgraded cable (forgot the vendor), and it really improved the sound of the XP-20. Pass recognized that weakness and now includes a much, much better interconnect with the XP-22. I never bothered with the XP-30/32 since it is a three chassis design that takes up too much room. The XP-22 coupled with Pass X600.5 amps is musical nirvana.
    Bud, here's a link to your post for the upgraded umbilical cord. Is this the one you'd recommend? Review: Revelation Audio power umbilical for Pass XP-20 preamp — Polk Audio

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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    Quote Originally Posted by RDSChicago View Post
    Bud, here's a link to your post for the upgraded umbilical cord. Is this the one you'd recommend? Review: Revelation Audio power umbilical for Pass XP-20 preamp ó Polk Audio
    Yes. That's it. Thanks. I had a stroke two years ago, and it scrambled my memory.
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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    You should entertain the idea of a TVC- Music First being a popular one. Inexpensive, too.
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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    You should entertain the idea of a TVC- Music First being a popular one. Inexpensive, too.
    That did cross my mind.

    Iím still in the early stages of thinking about it. My GAT2 is great and this might not make sense.
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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Iím entertaining one of these as my solid state preamp (even possibly with a Pass amp) for a future speaker purchase Iím considering.

    Full disclosure, I did have the XP-30 and honestly, I wasnít too crazy about it. It was almost ďtoo solid state soundingĒ for me if that makes sense.

    I understand the 12, 22 and 32 are really in a new class. I love the fact that gain on these models is under 10db. A big plus for me especially with my Avantgarde.
    Personally Joe, given the preamps you own and have owned, I can't see you getting any long term satisfaction out of the Pass Labs preamps.
    I owned the 20 for a couple of years and was happy to see it go. It did nothing wrong, but little emotionally right.

    but, the new ones might be in another world better

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    Re: Has anyone compared the Pass XP-22 to the XP-32?

    Quote Originally Posted by XV-1 View Post
    Personally Joe, given the preamps you own and have owned, I can't see you getting any long term satisfaction out of the Pass Labs preamps.
    I owned the 20 for a couple of years and was happy to see it go. It did nothing wrong, but little emotionally right.

    but, the new ones might be in another world better

    YMMV
    I know what you mean. Iím thinking the same thing. I guess Iím guilty of wanting what I donít have.
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