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    The Truth about The Trinity Sessions

    Imagine if they had recorded it to 1/2 inch tape - straight analog.

    DAT was horrible.

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    Re: The Truth about The Trinity Sessions

    sad but true ...every time is listen to this recording which is fairly often, i have to cry that is was not put down on analog tape -- truly a great recording but it is just seems to me to be missing a bit of its soul.

    however, rest easy as analog productions assures us that there is enough magic in those DATs to warrant a pricey reissue LP:

    "Yes, this is a digital recording. True to our company principles, Analogue Productions in almost all cases reissues recordings only where the analog master tape is available. However, there are rare exceptions that whether digitally recorded or otherwise, a recording is so outstanding it's worthy of the highest quality vinyl reissue."

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    Re: The Truth about The Trinity Sessions

    I don't think I have ever heard the tracks but what Margot Timmins vocals were subdued to the point that you had concentrate to hear it. Is it possible that both of the copies of the cd I have are poorly made?
    I didn't care for the remake of The Trinity Session.
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    Re: The Truth about The Trinity Sessions

    i think "Trinity Sessions' goes to show you that the music, the recording approach and care, and many times the simplicity, trumps the format. yes, we wish it was all analog. but the magic of the moment was a bigger part of why this recording has been considered iconic. the single mic, and the church, together, worked. probably the Ambiosonic mic added something of an analog signature that translated to some of what worked. just my view.

    in the big picture of all recordings i very much prefer all analog. or at least hearing the most native version. but the music shines through less optimal formats sometimes. there are many examples.

    my now 20+ year old 4 disc Classic Records 45rpm version of "Trinity" sounds awesome. not heard the 'AP' version.

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    As much as I love “the trinity sessions” I prefer “Trinity Revisited”. Sure, its nothing like the guerrilla recording of the original, but its a full on professionally recorded re-do adding Natalie Merchant, Vic Chesnut, and Ryan Adams et.al. and its just terrific to play all the way through when I’m in the mood for some sloppy, wet, raunchy, nasty, lusty Rock-n-Roll. YMMV!
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    Re: The Truth about The Trinity Sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobvin View Post
    As much as I love “the trinity sessions” I prefer “Trinity Revisited”. Sure, its nothing like the guerrilla recording of the original, but its a full on professionally recorded re-do adding Natalie Merchant, Vic Chesnut, and Ryan Adams et.al. and its just terrific to play all the way through when I’m in the mood for some sloppy, wet, raunchy, nasty, lusty Rock-n-Roll. YMMV!
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    Re: The Truth about The Trinity Sessions

    certainly they are audiophile catnip no matter what format
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    I understand the point about originality of the initial issue, but I was bored out of my mind trying to listen to it.

    Definitely enjoy the un-original much more.


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    Something I think AP and Mofi will need to figure out at some point is where do we go now? I mean ... at some point there aren’t going to be that many analog tapes left to remaster unfortunately and/or the younger generation simply won’t care enough about ‘our’ music to make it worth while any longer. Maybe some truly awesome ‘new’ recordings mastered at a very high level? That might interest the younger generation and maybe even a few of us also. I remember as a teen finding mobile fidelity pressing of what then was at least recent music and snapping those up. I bought quite a few of those and I’m guessing the younger generation might be more interested in higher quality newer releases also. My 20 year old son simply has no interest in most of my recordings but loves Qobuz and Tidal now and looks for the hiRez or Master recordings of music he likes. Hope we have access to high quality new recording for years to come but I think for that to happen we can’t alienate the younger generation and their newer music but rather include them with better recordings of their music. Who knows ... maybe that Spurs more high end audio purchases as well.

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    Re: The Truth about The Trinity Sessions

    with this thread for new context, had a listen last night and was able to better understand the attraction of this album ...for me its the material and especially the interpretation that i like. also, some nice pedal steel playing which is complimentary to the interpretations.

    that being said, i have much better produced / engineered / recorded releases in my library -- and, i agree with @kuoppis that if you are not in the mood to hear the record, then it can drone on a bit
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    Re: The Truth about The Trinity Sessions

    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    with this thread for new context, had a listen last night and was able to better understand the attraction this album has for me... its the material and especially the interpretation that i like. also, some of the best pedal steel playing which is complimentary to the interpretations.

    that being said, i have much better produced / engineered / recorded releases in my library -- and, i agree with @kuoppis that if you are not in the mood to hear the record, then it can drone on a bit

    Ive' enjoyed it as well. I've got the 1988 LP .
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    Listening to it right now ... Never heard it until this thread and I think I really like it. Thanks for the thread!!! Agree with you guys that there are better quality recordings out there but I also have many that are much much worse ... LOL

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    Anybody notice the super high noise floor of this recording? It starts the second the music starts playing. I have an LP copy that’s horrible and I don’t think I made it past the first track when I first bought it. I streamed the digital file and it’s horrible too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Anybody notice the super high noise floor of this recording? It starts the second the music starts playing. I have an LP copy that’s horrible and I don’t think I made it past the first track when I first bought it. I streamed the digital file and it’s horrible too.
    It’s a pity they didn’t record it to tape.

    Direct to disc would have been great too.


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    Re: The Truth about The Trinity Sessions

    I guess I need to give Trinity Revisited another try maybe I was expecting to much of the original on my previous listening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    It’s a pity they didn’t record it to tape.

    Direct to disc would have been great too.


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    Re: The Truth about The Trinity Sessions

    as i said above, the Classic Records 4 disc 45 rpm "Trinity Sessions" set is wonderful sounding to me, a powerful musical experience. it's not the clarity or imaging champ, but it's an enjoyable listen and some of the cuts are demo quality. it's opaque nature plays to the vibe of the whole package of venue and music.

    i've played this for many group sessions and it always gets a big amen. my system does synergize with the bass density, space and enhanced ambience.

    it does not check every box when i'm in my 'counting nose hairs' mood.......but so what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    as i said above, the Classic Records 4 disc 45 rpm "Trinity Sessions" set is wonderful sounding to me, a powerful musical experience. it's not the clarity or imaging champ, but it's an enjoyable listen and some of the cuts are demo quality. it's opaque nature plays to the vibe of the whole package of venue and music.

    i've played this for many group sessions and it always gets a big amen. my system does synergize with the bass density, space and enhanced ambience.

    it does not check every box when i'm in my 'counting nose hairs' mood.......but so what?
    Very good indeed, Mike.

    ....anyone remember the quote: “Audiophiles tend not to use their system to listen to music, but to use music to listen to their systems.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    as i said above, the Classic Records 4 disc 45 rpm "Trinity Sessions" set is wonderful sounding to me, a powerful musical experience. it's not the clarity or imaging champ, but it's an enjoyable listen and some of the cuts are demo quality. it's opaque nature plays to the vibe of the whole package of venue and music.

    i've played this for many group sessions and it always gets a big amen. my system does synergize with the bass density, space and enhanced ambience.

    it does not check every box when i'm in my 'counting nose hairs' mood.......but so what?
    Please list which cuts are "demo quality."
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    Well, I went back and listened to the Trinity Revisited yesterday. I was pleasantly surprised that I liked it as much as I did.

    That would be with the exception of Sweet Jane, that unfortunately was one of my favorite tracks from the original. I don't know what they were thinking with that beginning of, to me, unlistenable guitar screeching. I'm sure there many people that like it, just not me.

    I'm sure I must have listened to the CD when it first came out and expected something much different. So, 12 or 13 years later the second listen I would listen to it more often going forward.
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    About the original
    I sold mine long time ago. After having Trinity sessions revisited, when and why would i revisit the original?

    Quote Originally Posted by brad225 View Post

    That would be with the exception of Sweet Jane, that unfortunately was one of my favorite tracks from the original. I don't know what they were thinking with that beginning of, to me, unlistenable guitar screeching. I'm sure there many people that like it, just not me.
    I must confess i like. I like when the order comes from the chaos, when the music appears from the noise. It´s like a good surprise! Like this beginning

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad225 View Post
    Well, I went back and listened to the Trinity Revisited yesterday. I was pleasantly surprised that I liked it as much as I did.

    That would be with the exception of Sweet Jane, that unfortunately was one of my favorite tracks from the original. I don't know what they were thinking with that beginning of, to me, unlistenable guitar screeching. I'm sure there many people that like it, just not me.
    You sound like my grandpa! All kidding aside, to an extent I agree. It’s why I say “when I’m in the mood for some sloppy wet raunchy rock’n’roll” because there are a few places with some purposefully distorted, reverb’d guitar work that can be a little much if they were to catch you unawares. But taken as a whole, when the stars are aligned, and I’ve had a couple glasses of wine, its a really fun LP to listen through.

    I might play it tonight ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Please list which cuts are "demo quality."
    only speaking about the Classic Records 4 disc 45rpm version; there are 4 cuts which i liked and played as demos. "Misguided Angel" and 'I'm So Lonesome I could Cry" are two i enjoy and played often. but really the two that became demo tracks are 'Sweet Jane" where i especially enjoyed the authoritative bass line and high hat cymbals toward the end that are so delicate and floating, and the "Postcard Blues" with it's piercing harmonica soaring above everything......on my system with the scale and space it's a memorable musical experience. in certain mind sets it can viewed as a chaotic mess too.

    i do enjoy Margo Timmins vocals and style and feel it really fits this music perfectly.

    this is late night, dim the lights, adult beverage of your choice.......atmospheric music. visitors seemed to really enjoy these too as they were frequently requested cuts back in the day. great music, not objectively great sonics or a great recording.

    YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Please list which cuts are "demo quality."
    the cut "Mining for Gold" has the faint sound of a ventilation fan whirring in the distance. It makes a click sound every revolution. Back in the day when this record was in heavy rotation it was the 'demo cut' dealers would use. Depending on the resolution of the system it mattered whether you could 'see' the fan or not.

    Music by The Sea had an ultra dead sound room Steve McCormack used to evaluate circuit changes, the SQ of wire, caps, etc. We were going back and forth with his disc damper used in his, then best, CDP and the effects were quite noticeable and obvious...And the fan? it was as apparent as Margo's voice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    the cut "Mining for Gold" has a faint ventilation fan whirring in the distance. It makes a click sound every revolution. Back in the day when this record was in heavy rotation it was the 'demo cut' dealers would use. Depending of the resolution of the system it mattered whether you could 'see' the fan or not.
    Wow. I like the music and I remember going to see The Cowboy Junkies at Guelph University back in the 80’s. But this album recorded to bad early digital isn’t stellar quality. I have a 1959 analog recording that will mop the floor with it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    the cut "Mining for Gold" has the faint sound of a ventilation fan whirring in the distance. It makes a click sound every revolution. Back in the day when this record was in heavy rotation it was the 'demo cut' dealers would use. Depending on the resolution of the system it mattered whether you could 'see' the fan or not.

    Music by The Sea had an ultra dead sound room Steve McCormack used to evaluate circuit changes, the SQ of wire, caps, etc. We were going back and forth with his disc damper used in his, then best, CDP and the effects were quite noticeable and obvious...And the fan? it was as apparent as Margo's voice.
    All right. I'm going to play a song for you and I want you to see if you can hear the clicking noise the fan makes on every revolution. That sounds like some audiophile nonsense. I can just imagine a room full of audiophiles sitting in a crowded hotel room listening to a demo of a "high resolution" system to see if they can hear a fan clicking. That's even worse than every audio show demo that has a torch jazz singer with a 3 piece jazz ensemble playing sweet, smooth, non-system taxing music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Wow. I like the music and I remember going to see The Cowboy Junkies at Guelph University back in the 80’s. But this album recorded to bad early digital isn’t stellar quality. I have a 1959 analog recording that will mop the floor with it.


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    Never mind 1959 recordings, 1957 was a year of incredible sounding jazz recordings. That's why I can't get lathered up about a horrible sounding 1987 DAT recording that you can listen for the sound of a fan clicking and feel assured you have a great system if you can hear the fan clicking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    All right. I'm going to play a song for you and I want you to see if you can hear the clicking noise the fan makes on every revolution. That sounds like some audiophile nonsense. I can just imagine a room full of audiophiles sitting in a crowded hotel room listening to a demo of a "high resolution" system to see if they can hear a fan clicking. That's even worse than every audio show demo that has a torch jazz singer with a 3 piece jazz ensemble playing sweet, smooth, non-system taxing music.
    Where we keep running into the singer in the elevator at the show? That one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Where we keep running into the singer in the elevator at the show? That one?
    That's one of them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    All right. I'm going to play a song for you and I want you to see if you can hear the clicking noise the fan makes on every revolution. That sounds like some audiophile nonsense. I can just imagine a room full of audiophiles sitting in a crowded hotel room listening to a demo of a "high resolution" system to see if they can hear a fan clicking. That's even worse than every audio show demo that has a torch jazz singer with a 3 piece jazz ensemble playing sweet, smooth, non-system taxing music.
    At least The Cowboy Junkies were a band of some repute. How 'bout poseur jazz, the recording made at a club opening with a clarinet and glasses tinkling in the background...we all know the one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Where we keep running into the singer in the elevator at the show? That one?
    there are actually two that makes the round at shows. The petite, cute one I can stand. The other that resembles Kaitlin Jenner? no thanks.
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    Can someone post a link to Trinity Sessions Revisited on Qobuz? Can’t find it. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    At least The Cowboy Junkies were a band of some repute. How 'bout poseur jazz, the recording made at a club opening with a clarinet and glasses tinkling in the background...we all know the one
    Let me guess-Jazz At The Pawnshop

    Having said that, there are lots of great live jazz recordings and you can hear people talking and glasses tinkling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    there are actually two that makes the round at shows. The petite, cute one I can stand. The other that resembles Kaitlin Jenner? no thanks.
    Do I have an autographed LP for you Rob!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RDSChicago View Post
    Can someone post a link to Trinity Sessions Revisited on Qobuz? Can’t find it. Thanks.

    I had the same problem using search until I left out the word "sessions". I was looking for a higher rez version than the rebook in my NAS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brad225 View Post
    I had the same problem using search until I left out the word "sessions". I was looking for a higher rez version than the rebook in my NAS.
    a DAT recorder is 24 bit, either 44 or 48 khz. so the max high rez you will find for Trinity Sessions is 24/48 on Quboz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brad225 View Post
    I had the same problem using search until I left out the word "sessions". I was looking for a higher rez version than the rebook in my NAS.
    I don’t believe the 2007 remake is on Qobuz or Spotify. Just checked and rechecked. Only album I found was the original poorly recorded Trinity Sessions.

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    Must not be on USA Qobuz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    At least The Cowboy Junkies were a band of some repute. How 'bout poseur jazz, the recording made at a club opening with a clarinet and glasses tinkling in the background...we all know the one
    don't remember growing up in the 80s/90s thinking if only i could see the Junkies live

    but yes, better than the audiophile lounge singers
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithR View Post
    don't remember growing up in the 80s/90s thinking if only i could see the Junkies live

    but yes, better than the audiophile lounge singers
    the Junkies were a huge step forward when you consider Amanda McBroom and Radka Toneff records were it around that time. Two other records from that period in heavy rotation: Paul Simons Graceland and Tracy Chapman's eponymous record. The same demo cuts, no matter which dealer, over and over and...the thought of blowing one's brains out came to mind. Thank god for Qobuz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    a DAT recorder is 24 bit, either 44 or 48 khz. so the max high rez you will find for Trinity Sessions is 24/48 on Quboz.
    No DAT recorder was ever 24 bit. Tascam briefly made a 20 bit DAT recorder at the tale end of that era, but that was long after The Trinity Sessions.

    Regardless of the medium, The Trinity Sessions is nice sounding. A "reference" recording? Maybe not, but if you like the music it's great; if you are luke-warm or less interested in the music, the sound quality alone is probably not good enough for it to entice you to pull the CD or LP off the shelf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    No DAT recorder was ever 24 bit. Tascam briefly made a 20 bit DAT recorder at the tale end of that era, but that was long after The Trinity Sessions.

    Regardless of the medium, The Trinity Sessions is nice sounding. A "reference" recording? Maybe not, but if you like the music it's great; if you are luke-warm or less interested in the music, the sound quality alone is probably not good enough for it to entice you to pull the CD or LP off the shelf.
    What about the S/N ratio?
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    What about the S/N ratio?
    you have to consider they used an Ambisonic Soundfield mic which has a higher intrinsic noise floor than a usual stereo array. Some history here: Rode NT-SF1

    The original 1st press Canadian RBCD is the best version of Trinity, the 45 rpm vinyl by Classic Records is less good IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    you have to consider they used an Ambisonic Soundfield mic which has a higher intrinsic noise floor than a usual stereo array. Some history here: Rode NT-SF1

    The original 1st press Canadian RBCD is the best version of Trinity, the 45 rpm vinyl by Classic Records is less good IMO.
    My point is the noise floor of this recording is through the roof.
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    Never heard of Trinity Sessions before. Glad that I don’t qualify as an audiophile.

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