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    Re: Styles of Jazz Music

    Quote Originally Posted by astrotoy View Post

    Are Three Blind Mice and ECM labels considered jazz - and if so what genres?

    Larry,

    Music from the Three Blind Mice (TBM) label is some of the best Japanese Jazz available.
    In January, Chris Connaker discovered the Three Blind Mice Supreme Collection which we discussed here.

    After somehow managing to get his hands on the entire collection he posted this article on AS.
    https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/bits-...of-music-r880/

    Which albums do you have in your collection? They are valued very highly in Asia.

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    Re: Styles of Jazz Music

    Quote Originally Posted by astrotoy View Post
    I didn't see either Miles Davis or John Coltrane mentioned in the different jazz classifications - are they generally classified in a particular jazz genre?
    Larry,

    Miles Davis and John Coltrane were responsible for bringing Modal Jazz to the forefront in '59 and the early 60s.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_jazz

    George Russell is considered the pioneer of Modal Jazz.
    Bill Evans who played with George Russell was another major influence.

    Miles Davis used Modal Jazz framework in "Kind of Blue" which Coltrane was a part of.
    But it was Coltrane who did a lot more in stretching the limits of Modal Jazz with his quartet.

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    Re: Styles of Jazz Music

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil View Post
    Larry,

    Music from the Three Blind Mice (TBM) label is some of the best Japanese Jazz available.
    In January, Chris Connaker discovered the Three Blind Mice Supreme Collection which we discussed here.

    After somehow managing to get his hands on the entire collection he posted this article on AS.
    https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/bits-...of-music-r880/

    Which albums do you have in your collection? They are valued very highly in Asia.

    Regards



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    I have four TBM Titles. They are all safety master tapes (15ips 2 track).

    The Big Four George Kawaguchi
    Remember Martha Miyake
    North Plain Eiji Nakayama
    Ako's Dream Isao Suzuki

    They were part of a very large (200 reel) safety master collection I bought a few years ago. More jazz than classical or rock/pop. Lots of famous titles, many in 1/2". The TBM and ECM titles were the ones that I had no knowledge of, except as audiophile titles.

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    Re: Styles of Jazz Music

    Quote Originally Posted by astrotoy View Post
    I have four TBM Titles. They are all safety master tapes (15ips 2 track).

    The Big Four George Kawaguchi
    Remember Martha Miyake
    North Plain Eiji Nakayama
    Ako's Dream Isao Suzuki

    They were part of a very large (200 reel) safety master collection I bought a few years ago. More jazz than classical or rock/pop. Lots of famous titles, many in 1/2". The TBM and ECM titles were the ones that I had no knowledge of, except as audiophile titles.

    Larry

    "The Big 4" and "Ako's Dream" are in the Supreme Collection and well regarded.
    The other two I am not so familiar with but are probably quite well known.

    It's hard enough to get regular CDs of these albums.
    The fact that you have safety masters is in another stratosphere altogether.

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    Re: Styles of Jazz Music

    Quote Originally Posted by astrotoy View Post

    Finally, are Muddy Waters and Albert King considered jazz or something else (I have them listed as Pop/Rock in my catalogue of albums).

    Not sure if you are still looking for this info:

    Muddy Waters and Albert King are Blues greats
    Muddy Water is considered the father of Chicago Blues


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    Re: Styles of Jazz Music

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil View Post
    Larry,

    Miles Davis and John Coltrane were responsible for bringing Modal Jazz to the forefront in '59 and the early 60s.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_jazz

    George Russell is considered the pioneer of Modal Jazz.
    Bill Evans who played with George Russell was another major influence.

    Miles Davis used Modal Jazz framework in "Kind of Blue" which Coltrane was a part of.
    But it was Coltrane who did a lot more in stretching the limits of Modal Jazz with his quartet.

    Regards



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    Thanks. The safety masters have a heavy concentration of Miles Davis, almost all 1/2" tapes, and a fair number of John Coltrane. Here is a list of the Miles Davis tape titles - all are 1/2" safety masters:

    Cookin' (mono)
    Relaxin' (mono)
    Bitches Brew
    Four and More
    Kind of Blue + Alt Take and Extras
    Miles Smiles
    Milestones
    Olympia:Coltrane and Stitt
    On the Corner
    Round Midnight

    Davis appears to exhibit a wide range of styles. Some are quite attractive to me, others are very difficult. Similar comments to my experiences with Coltrane. Our fearless leader Chris visited a couple of years ago and chose (IIRC) his favorite album to play - Relaxin'.

    Here are my Coltrane safety masters- two are 1/2". I also have John Coltrane and Johnny Hartman which I think is wonderful - just a tape not a safety master.
    A Love Supreme
    Blue Train
    Settin' the Pace
    Soultrane
    The Avant-Garde

    Here are my Bill Evans safety masters:
    Intermodulation
    At Shelly's Manne-Hole
    Sunday at the Village Vanguard (also have the Tape Project Waltz for Debby)

    I find Bill Evans' albums much more accessible than much of Davis and Coltrane.

    Thanks, Larry
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    Re: Styles of Jazz Music

    Quote Originally Posted by astrotoy View Post
    Thanks. The safety masters have a heavy concentration of Miles Davis, almost all 1/2" tapes, and a fair number of John Coltrane. Here is a list of the Miles Davis tape titles - all are 1/2" safety masters:

    Cookin' (mono)
    Relaxin' (mono)
    Bitches Brew
    Four and More
    Kind of Blue + Alt Take and Extras
    Miles Smiles
    Milestones
    Olympia:Coltrane and Stitt
    On the Corner
    Round Midnight

    Davis appears to exhibit a wide range of styles. Some are quite attractive to me, others are very difficult. Similar comments to my experiences with Coltrane. Our fearless leader Chris visited a couple of years ago and chose (IIRC) his favorite album to play - Relaxin'.
    Miles Davis music changed drastically over the years in an effort to stay current over his long career.
    Do consider watching the Netflix documentary "Miles Davis: The Birth of the Cool" to get an idea.
    https://www.netflix.com/watch/80227122?source=35

    Miles' influence on Coltrane and other musicians is nicely shown as well in the movie.

    "Cookin" and "Relaxin" are from Miles Davis' Hard Bop stage when he was with Prestige/Blue Note.
    Here is the Miles Davis discography to give you a timeline of the albums if you haven't looked it up already.

    I think it goes without saying that anything to do with Miles is eminently collectible.
    I have no doubt that your albums (specially "Kind of Blue") will be highly sought after by jazz enthusiasts.


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    Re: Styles of Jazz Music

    Quote Originally Posted by astrotoy View Post

    Here are my Coltrane safety masters- two are 1/2". I also have John Coltrane and Johnny Hartman which I think is wonderful - just a tape not a safety master.
    A Love Supreme
    Blue Train
    Settin' the Pace
    Soultrane
    The Avant-Garde

    Coltrane might just be the most influential of all jazz musicians ever.
    He was instrumental in stretching the genre into what is now called Modal jazz, Free jazz and Avant-garde jazz.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Coltrane

    For the purposes of this thread, arranging your albums per release date and jazz type

    Blue Train (January 1958, Hard bop)

    Soultrane (October 1958, Hard bop)

    Settin the Pace (December 1961, Hard bop)

    A Love Supreme (January 1965, Free jazz, Modal jazz, Avant-garde jazz, Post bop)

    The Avante-Garde (1966, Free jazz, Avant-garde jazz)

    Information on each album is available in the links but the standout album is "A Love Supreme".
    Once again these are all fantastic albums and highly sought after in the jazz world.

    Again for context do consider watching "Chasing Trane: The John Coltrane Documentary" on Netflix
    https://www.netflix.com/watch/80147403?source=35

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    Re: Styles of Jazz Music

    This video came up on my Youtube feed today.
    Thought it would be interesting for @astrotoy (if you have seen it already)





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    Re: Styles of Jazz Music

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil View Post
    This video came up on my Youtube feed today.
    Thought it would be interesting for @astrotoy (if you have seen it already)

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    Great stuff, Nikhil! I don’t read or write music, but still found the video very entertaining and informative. Well worth the time.
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    Re: Styles of Jazz Music

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil View Post
    This video came up on my Youtube feed today.
    Thought it would be interesting for @astrotoy (if you have seen it already)

    .
    Great stuff, Nikhil! I don’t read or write music, but still found the video very entertaining and informative. Well worth the time.
    Anthony
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