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July 16, 2022, 06:04 PM #1
MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Michael Fremer discusses RECORD LABEL MASTERING TRANSPARENCY+his take on the MOFI MASTERING RUMORS! - YouTube
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July 17, 2022, 10:50 AM #2
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
BREAKING NEWS: ALL Mobile Fidelity titles since 2015 Are digital? My thoughts. - YouTube
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July 17, 2022, 10:50 AM #3
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Mobile Fidelity UPDATE New details on the current Controversy - YouTube
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July 17, 2022, 11:43 AM #4
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
In a recent interview with Kevin Gray, he woudln't admit nor could he say which vinyl releases he mastered were cut from a file or tape unless the label expressly stated it, like on the hype sticker.
Regarding Mike E's assertions (The In Groove) and Fremer's opinion on the subject, you have to look at their history. It started with the controvesey re Supersense selling lacquers direct to consumers. Both Mikes locked horns on that subject in a live Youtube discussion with Chad moderating.
IMO, Mike E is over the target, its not to say Mofi wouldnt make a production copy of the master tape to cut 40 separate lacquers--in the case of the MJ Thriller 1-step--but its unlikey.
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July 18, 2022, 05:39 AM #5
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Episode 21: NEWS ALERT - Is MOFI using All Analog or using Digital Tapes/Files? - YouTube
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July 19, 2022, 12:58 PM #6
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Breaking: MOFI MASTERING CHAIN pre-announcement prediction from Steve Westman and Mazzy! - YouTube
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July 19, 2022, 06:10 PM #7
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Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
It looks as if to get the best analog sound MOFI inserted 'digital' in the chain!
That sounds like... heresy! (to some)
I bet lawsuits will be filed: 'pain and suffering your honor'!
Oh, boy, what has the audiophile world come to?!
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July 20, 2022, 09:59 AM #8
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
blo·vi·ate | \ ˈblō-vē-ˌāt \
bloviated; bloviating
Definition of bloviate
intransitive verb
: to speak or write verbosely and windily
: the art of speaking at length without saying anythingTom
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July 20, 2022, 12:24 PM #9
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Mobile Fidelity - Interview on Mastering With Shawn Britton, Krieg Wunderlich & Rob LoVerde - YouTube
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July 20, 2022, 01:10 PM #10
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Yes, they seem a little uncomfortable, but I give them credit for - at least what seems to be - striving to be transparent.
I found a variety of things interesting, but one that was interesting as well as a little surprising (to me at least) is there seems a degree of subjectivity involved in determining what they consider the “best pressing” among multiple test cuts. As a LP enthusiast, looking for the “most original to master” pressing, one thing you’re buying - and counting on - is the ears of these guys choosing what they consider closest to that original master tape.Main System
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July 20, 2022, 01:24 PM #11
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
This is interesting side-bar reading imo to the main topic: What's going on when people talk about digital vs. analogue masters
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July 20, 2022, 01:53 PM #12
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
did they have a choice? I dont mind seeing them squirm under cross examination. Mofi should come up with a better way to describe the provevance of the sources they use to master LPs. Its damage control at this point and it took one of their own retailers to call them out, def not good for their image.
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July 20, 2022, 02:54 PM #13
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Michael Fremer Focus on the MoFi Video - YouTube
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July 20, 2022, 03:12 PM #14
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Michael Fremer Focus on the MoFi Video - YouTube
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July 20, 2022, 04:38 PM #15
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Now the cat’s out of the bag, I wish these guys would just sell DSD taken from the masters. Santana, Dylan and Miles DSD taken carefully direct from the master tapes? Sign me up.
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July 20, 2022, 05:01 PM #16
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
The lack of transparency is disappointing. Many if us have paid top $ for Mobile Fidelity records under assumption that the so called master pressings and one step were analog. I’m sure a few lawyers will be busy on this one.
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July 20, 2022, 05:28 PM #17
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Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
only bought a couple recent MOFI One Steps; KOB and Abraxas.
preferred my Classic 4 disc 45 rpm KOB to the One Step. not compared my early MFSL Abraxas to the One Step. suppose i will now.
i mostly have owned previous decent to good pressings of the One Step titles, so not pursued them. had no inkling about the digital thing.my system on Audiogon; https://www.audiogon.com/systems/615
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July 20, 2022, 06:35 PM #18
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Couldn’t stomach all the bloviation and prevarication in the videos.
What’s the short answer?Tom
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July 20, 2022, 07:01 PM #19
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Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Mother MoFi knows best. and best might be a digital step here and there.
MoFi One Steps are fine sounding pressings. possibly the best possible way to hear these titles if you need new pressings. but maybe not worth the $100-$125 premium. and good original pressings, or earlier used all analog reissues might be better choices.
you simply can't bank on the One Steps....it's complicated. we all like to know that when we step up, we get what we are paying for. and the fact that many/most of them have been mastered to digital for lacquers might mess with your head.
and....great digital transfers, dsd or PCM, might be good/great alternatives.my system on Audiogon; https://www.audiogon.com/systems/615
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July 20, 2022, 10:53 PM #20
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Thanks Mike. I have most of the one steps already in original vinyl or Analogue Productions or SACD so haven’t purchased any yet.
With 40,000 copies of Thriller in 1-step I knew they were using something removed from the master. Had to be. No master owner would let them play the tape 40 to 80 times to make enough stampers.Tom
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July 21, 2022, 09:51 AM #21
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
MoFi Digital Debacle - YouTube
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July 21, 2022, 10:31 AM #22
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Doug Sax stated long ago in a Stereophile interview that he could cut better sounding lacquers from a 24/192 PCM file than straight from the analog tape. That is only one engineer's opinion, though.
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July 21, 2022, 11:10 AM #23
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Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Instead of bothering with issuing SACDs, I wish MOFI would just sell the (4X) digital files that they make from the analog masters. That would be the closest a consumer could ever get to the master tape.
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July 21, 2022, 11:19 AM #24
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
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July 21, 2022, 01:36 PM #25
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
That would be a buy for me. I wonder though, would something mastered for vinyl and released in DSD sound as good as something mastered for native DSD? There are lots of compromises made in vinyl mastering to fit the source to the medium. That’s ok when you are mastering to vinyl anyway.
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July 21, 2022, 01:39 PM #26
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Did Mobile Fidelity Lie?? The evidence examined (with a surprise at the end!) - YouTube
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July 21, 2022, 02:08 PM #27
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Were the engineers cutting those master tapes thinking about what would be the destination medium, or were they just trying to get things to sound right/best on those master tapes?
In other words, at their step in the process, I wonder if they were simply concerned with getting truth onto tape. Vinyl has never been the only playback medium, there’s R2R and a cassette, then later, CD, etc.
As I said earlier in this thread, it’s a little puzzling why they never released DSD, since they already had that. Other than they were likely trying to hide that fact, so their brand as “best vinyl” wouldn’t be tainted. That cat’s now out of the bag though, and like some of you guys I’d sure love to be able to get DSD that’s made straight from the master tapes.Main System
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July 21, 2022, 07:34 PM #28
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
My knowledge of the process gets a little thin here. I know that mastering for vinyl and mastering for CD, for example, require different approaches. In vinyl, the mastering engineers have to limit L-R bass or even the best cartridges will fly out of the groove due to high vertical acceleration. They also have to limit some high frequency content to keep the record trackable with most cartridges. And of course there is vinyl specific eq that is used. None of that needs to be done for CD mastering or mastering to files.
So as I understand it there may be many masters depending on the target media.
Love to hear more from people who are familiar with the process.Tom
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July 22, 2022, 05:40 AM #29
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
More info and my some of my thoughts from my trip to Mobile Fidelity - YouTube
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July 23, 2022, 12:24 AM #30
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I’m excited for this new spoken word One - Step
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Sorry, had to do it:
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August 6, 2022, 04:18 AM #32
MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
And now the Washington Post steps into the fray - “How a Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire”
Some interesting quotes at the end of the article as well as the link to today’s Washington Post article below:
“Jamie Howarth, whose Plangent Processes uses digital technology to restore sound and whose work has earned praise for Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen reissues, wishes MoFi had come clean years ago and proudly told its customers that their prized records sounded best because of the digital step. He understands why it didn’t. It was terrified of being attacked by analog-or-bust audiophiles.
“One of the reasons they want to excoriate MoFi is for lying,” says Howarth. “The other part that bothers them is that they’ve been listening to digital all along and they’re highly invested in believing that any digital step will destroy their experience. And they’re wrong.”
“Wood [MoFi’s executive vice president of product development] says that MoFi decided to add DSD not for convenience but because its engineers felt they could help improve their records. He remembers hearing MoFi’s reissue of Santana’s “Abraxas” in 2016. “My mind was blown when we got the test pressings back,” he said.
“And Randy Braun, a music lover, Hoffman message board member and lawyer in New York, hopes that, in the end, the MoFi revelation will prove what he’s been saying for years, that the anti-digital crowd has been lying to itself: “These people who claim they have golden ears and can hear the difference between analog and digital, well, it turns out you couldn’t.”
The link to today’s Washington Post article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/music...gital-scandal/
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August 6, 2022, 08:02 AM #33
MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
I for one sent multiple emails to Fremer beginning in 2019 and told him I heard digital in these One Step’s. Happy to share the emails with anyone not believing me.
Here’s one from 2019!!
THAT BEING SAID, I still think many of the One Steps are the best versions of those albums I’ve heard. Sometimes they got it right (Abraxas, Bridge Over Troubled Waters, Monk,, etc.), sometimes it wasn’t the best I’ve heard (Carole King Tapestry), but still very good.
In fact, I have hundreds of older MOFI’s which are one my regularly played list. Gordon Lightfoot Sundown (MOFI) from 1979 is one of my absolute favorite albums and on regular rotation.
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August 6, 2022, 10:36 AM #34
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
I personally think this whole fiasco is a disaster for MoFi. And, moreover, many of us that have paid top dollars to buy products that have been misrepresented by MoFi are quite pissed.
I have a number of MoFi releases that sound somewhat dull and just ok. Just a few sound quite good.
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August 6, 2022, 02:24 PM #35
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August 7, 2022, 11:21 PM #36
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MOFI Analog or Digital sources? List of sources (updated 2) . – Magic Vinyl vs Digital
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Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Did you all notice the website referenced in to WaPo article where the guy analyzes all the various formats of an album, seems like that would be a good source for starts.
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May 11, 2023, 06:40 PM #38
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
MoFi to Pay $25 Million Over Fraudulent 'All-Analog' Records
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May 11, 2023, 08:13 PM #39
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Ouch
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May 12, 2023, 07:11 AM #40
Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
Considering how many Master Tapes were lost in the Universal Studio fire years ago it's hardly surprising they were using digital masters.
Some estimates put the loss of tapes in the 100s of 1000s.
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May 12, 2023, 08:09 AM #41
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LOL! I guess most (if not all) the audiophiles really can’t tell the difference between an analog or digital recording.
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May 12, 2023, 09:19 AM #42
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Nonsense. The ironic thing here is that the recording that got MoFi into trouble was the Thriller album because people figured out there was no way they could sell as many recordings as they planned without using a digital file to cut the LPs. A friend of mine from Maine recently visited me and he brought his 1Step copy of Thriller. I haven't played my LP copy of Thriller in over 30 years, but the bass line in Billie Jean remains a clear memory. I played the 1Step version and it took all of 2 seconds for me to know that the bass wasn't as deep and tight as I remembered it. I pulled my old copy out and played it and it was immediately obvious that it was much better. The power and depth of the bass was restored as I had remembered it sounding.
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Re: MOFI One Step’s - is it tape or digital? The big debate
LOL you are right! Before the truth about MOFI came out, golden-eared audiophiles (including reviewers like Fremer) were raving about the MOFI pressings. Now suddenly those same audiophiles claim to hear a clear difference. Nonsense. These are the same audiophiles that failed MOFI's blind tests!
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May 12, 2023, 02:02 PM #44
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May 12, 2023, 02:34 PM #48
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Myles B. Astor, Senior Editor, PF, www.positive-feedback.com
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May 12, 2023, 02:43 PM #49
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I'm curios what "traffic" you are referencing. Do you mean this site traffic?
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