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    I'm still kind of old school and living in the past I suppose as I am still messing with cd's. I like reading the liner notes and handling the cd itself and popping it into the player. I just bought a dozen or so cd's on Ebay and wound up with a new 2018 remaster of Pink Floyd "Animals." Usually with remasters and such I usually hear very little ( if at all ) improvement over the original version. I am completely mind blown over the sound quality of this remaster. I have listened to this album hundreds of times and have never heard this album approach this quality, even on vinyl. I set the ADT alarm off 3 times I had it cranked up so much. BTW, I have many pressings of DSOTM and even the Japan pressing does not come close to this gem.

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    Re: Animals

    Animals is not a new remaster, it's a new remix. that is why it sounds so different.
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    I see by reading the packaging that it is a remix not a remaster as I thought. Either way it's really bad@$$. Thanks for pointing that out, I will have to look for other remixes.

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    Re: Animals

    I heard that 2018 version on Tidal when it came out and I didn't like it. Maybe it's Tidal who knows. My CD rip from an older version was better. It was redone in 2018 but for some reason was just released a couple weeks ago.
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    Re: Animals

    I should add others have reported liking the new version. I'll have to go back for another listen to see if same result.

    I am also very observant to any changes in music I have heard before. I hear the differences on radio stations who use mp3..
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    Re: Animals

    +1 on the 2018 remix. I noticed a huge difference right away on the desktop (Qobuz App), and that gulf only widened on the home system through the LUMIN (LUMIN App playing Qobuz).

    Just to be sure my ears and memory weren't playing tricks on me, I went back and forth with the original release several times and there was no comparison.

    Thank you LUMIN and Qobuz for making this truly exceptional experience possible!

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    Re: Animals

    I went back and listened again, if you enjoy the new mix that's great. What you are hearing on the 2018 mix is added compression that added weight to the drums and brings the sound forward. With that, and the remix making the songs out of balance from the original ruins it for me. I'm too used to the original mix. The compression also reduces the air around the instruments. What I mean by out of balance, you can tell some of the synth was punched up some along with other sound effects in places. It is the same music but doesn't sound like the same album.

    I did see there is Blu-ray and a 5.1 mix of the 2018 mix album.
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    Re: Animals

    Interesting. I'll have to do the back-to-back-to-back again and see if I can hear what you are talking about.

    To me personally, the 1977 version is more "compressed sounding" in general. With that said, there have certainly been instances of remixed and/or remastered releases that I didn't think sounded better than the originals. Animals is not one of those.

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    Re: Animals

    Animals is one of my favorite Pink Floyd albums and my top album for driving alone in the middle of the night.

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    Re: Animals

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    I went back and listened again, if you enjoy the new mix that's great. What you are hearing on the 2018 mix is added compression
    I hear the opposite.

    James Guthrie doesn't seem like the kind of producer to "add compression" when tasked with this project. Have you read otherwise? Because my ears tell me the opposite.


    Overall, I find the 2018 remix of course "different" and I also find it "better" in SOME ways. I suspect that most of my preference is that I heard the 1977 version for 45 years.
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    Re: Animals

    Listening to the cd and listening to a file might be completely different? Without question, the remix on cd is 10x better than the original.

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    I was talking in a group of "audiophiles" and happened to ask about this 2018 album,one guy who has it on LP says it is great. One guy who knew a bit about the making mentioned it was a remix and is different from the original, hence, the new cover. When I go back and forth I do prefer my CD rip for SQ still vs streaming the new 2018 though the original has a bit thinner sound where the 2018 sounds more full. I really think the real issue for me is the remix. I really do have an unusually good memory in regards to how something I've heard before sounds, especially a number of times. So at this point the 2018 sounds foreign to me. The 2nd guy suggested I try to listen to the 2018 with a fresh perspective, sort of put the original out of mind. I haven't been able to do that yet.

    I'd also like to compare the two versions with just streaming to see if the difference in just sound narrows.

    Just FYI I use Dogs for my comparisons. I don't know if the issue with the two versions standing out so much to me is a curse or a good thing, LOL
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    Re: Animals

    Similar experience here, as I mentioned separately in the “What are you listening to” thread.
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    Re: Animals

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    I was talking in a group of "audiophiles" and happened to ask about this 2018 album,one guy who has it on LP says it is great. One guy who knew a bit about the making mentioned it was a remix and is different from the original, hence, the new cover. When I go back and forth I do prefer my CD rip for SQ still vs streaming the new 2018 though the original has a bit thinner sound where the 2018 sounds more full. I really think the real issue for me is the remix. I really do have an unusually good memory in regards to how something I've heard before sounds, especially a number of times. So at this point the 2018 sounds foreign to me. The 2nd guy suggested I try to listen to the 2018 with a fresh perspective, sort of put the original out of mind. I haven't been able to do that yet.

    I'd also like to compare the two versions with just streaming to see if the difference in just sound narrows.

    Just FYI I use Dogs for my comparisons. I don't know if the issue with the two versions standing out so much to me is a curse or a good thing, LOL

    Totally understood; I think that we all vary in our reactions in that regard. My wife is very much aligned with your experience, with having a bit of a 'hard time' adapting to what seems as changes to music she's heard for 30, 40, etc. years. Her worst experience was the first time we listened to the Beatles' "Love" soundtrack. She (almost) ran out of the room screaming! . Of course that is NOT even close to subtle.
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    Re: Animals

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    I was talking in a group of "audiophiles" and happened to ask about this 2018 album,one guy who has it on LP says it is great. One guy who knew a bit about the making mentioned it was a remix and is different from the original, hence, the new cover. When I go back and forth I do prefer my CD rip for SQ still vs streaming the new 2018 though the original has a bit thinner sound where the 2018 sounds more full. I really think the real issue for me is the remix. I really do have an unusually good memory in regards to how something I've heard before sounds, especially a number of times. So at this point the 2018 sounds foreign to me. The 2nd guy suggested I try to listen to the 2018 with a fresh perspective, sort of put the original out of mind. I haven't been able to do that yet.

    I'd also like to compare the two versions with just streaming to see if the difference in just sound narrows.
    I would like to think that I have a pretty good memory of how the original sounded on vinyl, but the budget in my teens was limited and I was able to find other creative ways of enhancing the listening experience other than better recordings and equipment, if you know what I mean... so there's no way that I can compare the differences - the 1977 on vinyl could very well have sounded better than the streamed 2018 remix streamed on Qobuz.

    I could see people having a hard time accepting the new sound of the remix. Pink Floyd is one of those bands that within a few notes takes me back to the time when I first heard it, and I understand not wanting to alter that experience. (Hmm, I wonder how altered it (or I) would need to be to re-create the 1977 experience. Do modern pharmaceuticals offer any hope??)

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    Re: Animals

    If the potency of Pot today compared to 1977 is any indicator, probably a safe bet.

    Quote Originally Posted by JCS123 View Post
    I would like to think that I have a pretty good memory of how the original sounded on vinyl, but the budget in my teens was limited and I was able to find other creative ways of enhancing the listening experience other than better recordings and equipment, if you know what I mean... so there's no way that I can compare the differences - the 1977 on vinyl could very well have sounded better than the streamed 2018 remix streamed on Qobuz.

    I could see people having a hard time accepting the new sound of the remix. Pink Floyd is one of those bands that within a few notes takes me back to the time when I first heard it, and I understand not wanting to alter that experience. (Hmm, I wonder how altered it (or I) would need to be to re-create the 1977 experience. Do modern pharmaceuticals offer any hope??)
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    Re: Animals

    I post there when I find albums that I really think others might like or worthy of mention, however, I typically do not read others posts there. The issue is many, like yourself, just post pictures for the most part. I don't see so use a screen reading software. This is great for text but not to the point that it reads images. I really don't want to waste my time scrolling through those posts to see by chance if someone actually typed anything.

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    Similar experience here, as I mentioned separately in the “What are you listening to” thread.
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    Re: Animals

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    I don't see so use a screen reading software. This is great for text but not to the point that it reads images. I really don't want to waste my time scrolling through those posts to see by chance if someone actually typed anything.
    Interesting, was not aware of that. I sometimes try to put a tidbit there to peak someone’s interest but yes, generally I’ve always just seen it as a way to share “maybe check this one out”, but visually. I’ll try to remember to comment something useful to cover that angle; thanks for mentioning it.
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    Re: Animals

    Does anyone know of any other remixes of classic albums out there? I have some remasters but the best one falls pretty short of the Animals remix. Thanks in advance.

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    Giles Martin has started remixing Beatles' albums. Revolver remixed gets released this week.
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    Re: Animals

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    I post there when I find albums that I really think others might like or worthy of mention, however, I typically do not read others posts there. The issue is many, like yourself, just post pictures for the most part. I don't see so use a screen reading software. This is great for text but not to the point that it reads images. I really don't want to waste my time scrolling through those posts to see by chance if someone actually typed anything.
    Thank you for reminding us of this! It's so easy for us sighted people to fail to include text. On Twitter, I see people using Alt Text with images more and more.
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    Re: Animals

    You should check Steven Wilson remixes. He has done some Jethro Tull, several, including Aqua Lung, Some Yes and at least Chicago II. All of his are very good IMO.

    It's almost to the point for big titles, what hasn't been remastered. I'm not sure what of those would be considered a "remix". Wilson sticks pretty much with the original song accept he has a way of making it rock a bit more or bring out the emotion. I've not heard any remix/remaster that has put me off like the Animals 2018, but we've been down that road, LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by stereogeek View Post
    Does anyone know of any other remixes of classic albums out there? I have some remasters but the best one falls pretty short of the Animals remix. Thanks in advance.
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    Re: Animals

    Since we are talking about Pink Floyd, I have a story to tell. Way back in the early seventies I was at Tampa Stadium watching Deep Purple support their Machine Head album. BTW, some little band from Texas opened for them, ZZ Top. Anyway, they made an announcement for the upcoming shows and one of them was Pink Floyd. I had not heard of them yet and not sure if "Money" was even playing on the radio yet. My girlfriend at the time was really juiced about seeing them but I didn't really care to. She said "if you won't take me I will find someone who will." In the next few weeks I must have listened to DSOTM at least 40 times and was quite happy to go to the show. They only had the west stands open and the stage was was pulled up very close to the stands. They had towers of speakers along the top of the stands so they could do the quadraphonic thing. I don't think there were 8000 people there. It was quite the show, I wound up seeing them 6 or 7 times. They were my favorite band for many years until Waters left.

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    Re: Animals

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    You should check Steven Wilson remixes. He has done some Jethro Tull, several, including Aqua Lung, Some Yes and at least Chicago II. All of his are very good IMO.

    It's almost to the point for big titles, what hasn't been remastered. I'm not sure what of those would be considered a "remix". Wilson sticks pretty much with the original song accept he has a way of making it rock a bit more or bring out the emotion. I've not heard any remix/remaster that has put me off like the Animals 2018, but we've been down that road, LOL
    Thanks for the Yes Steven Wilson remixes tip. Very nice sonics. This was one of my favorite bands of the 70's. Listening now reminds me of what a great bassist Chris Squire was. For hits, it doesn't get too much better than "Roundabout" and "Long Distance Runaround".

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    Re: Animals

    I must admit not being a fan of Pink Floyd myself I actually thought this post based on its title was actually about...animals (as in the living creatures). LOL
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    Re: Animals

    Giving it my first listen right now. I'm halfway through Pigs (Three Different Ones). The drums and bass have much more weight... kind of too much. The percussion wood block around the 3 minute mark actually sounds like a wood block, and there's more attention on it. The snare sounds more crisp and actually cracks like it should.

    But all that said, the thin drum/bass sound of the original recording brought the vocals out to the front of the mix. Which I think I like more. This is an album so engrained in my mind with countless high school smoked out car rides, it's hard to hear it differently.

    Might be better for some, and perhaps someone new to the album. But I'll stick with the CD version I bought in the 90's.


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    I love the new Animals. I have the high res download since my turntables are all packed up in preparation for the upcoming move. I think it is fantastic, and Animals is my favorite Pink Floyd album!
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    I also think the remix sounds great! It is most definitely different than the others but in my mind I treat it as not to be a comparison but just something different that you should be able to enjoy both. It would be like the added different takes that are included in the recent Beatles box sets.
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    Not about the vinyl reissue, but the Pink Floyd Animals and other PF shows. Our niece's husband is an architect and partner in Stufish, the famous entertainment architects based in London. They have done hundreds of big name shows over the years, and got started when PF wanted some inflatable props for their Animals show in 1974. Here is their website, and if you look at the Mark Fisher Legacy section (he is the late founder of Stufish) and how he started with the inflatable animals for PF which led PF to hire his firm to do the Wall show a couple of years later.

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    Re: Animals

    Not about the vinyl reissue, but the Pink Floyd Animals and other PF shows. Our niece's husband is an architect and partner in Stufish, the famous entertainment architects based in London. They have done hundreds of big name shows over the years, and got started when PF wanted some inflatable props for their Animals show in 1976. Here is their website, and if you look at the Mark Fisher Legacy section (he is the late founder of Stufish) and how he started with the inflatable animals for PF which led PF to hire his firm to do the Wall show three years later.

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    Re: Animals

    Quote Originally Posted by astrotoy View Post
    Not about the vinyl reissue, but the Pink Floyd Animals and other PF shows. Our niece's husband is an architect and partner in Stufish, the famous entertainment architects based in London. They have done hundreds of big name shows over the years, and got started when PF wanted some inflatable props for their Animals show in 1976. Here is their website, and if you look at the Mark Fisher Legacy section (he is the late founder of Stufish) and how he started with the inflatable animals for PF which led PF to hire his firm to do the Wall show three years later.

    Stufish – Stufish Entertainment Architects

    Lots of very interesting shows they have designed.

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    I just spent some interesting time on their website. When I get more time I will check out all the bands. Thanks for the info, those folks are killer. Cheers.

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    Re: Animals

    My vinyl copy of Animals arrived last week. to start off, Record Industry should be ashamed of the pressing quality - all over both sides, side two especially there are ticks and pops that during the quieter bits are annoying and should not be there. see discogs and unfortunately this release is littered with pressing issues.

    Musically, it seems to have become beautified compared to the stark, bleak, lean almost grey sounding original mix. Yea bass is a little fatter, Wright's keyboards are more in front which is pretty good. Gilmour's guitars don't seem to be as nasty and leading edge as on the original.

    Overall B - I prefer the original pressing and mix.

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    Re: Animals

    Sorry you don't enjoy it as much as some of us do. I just listened to it again and think it is really bad@$$. I grew up on Pink Floyd and can't believe how much I enjoy this remix. Favorite line from the album ( or one of them ) "bus stop rat bag, ha ha charade you are."

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    Re: Animals

    I was just at the Battersea Power Station last week. Amazing transformation of that building.
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    Re: Animals

    Quote Originally Posted by GreginNH View Post
    I was just at the Battersea Power Station last week. Amazing transformation of that building.
    It's been in the works for some time. Can't wait to get back to London to see it completed. Did you see the new US Embassy which is pretty close the Battersea Power Station. Our time share in London is about a block away from the old Embassy at Grosvenor Square in Mayfair. The new one looks quite spectacular. My daughter's old firm (OLIN) did the landscape architectural work on the new Embassy. The two projects should make the walk along the South Bank even nicer.

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