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Thread: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
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January 15, 2019, 11:13 AM #1
New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
I am looking forward to the arrival of the new MSB S500 Stereo Amplifier and M500 Mono Amplifiers scheduled for this Spring. So I am starting a thread where new information can be posted as it trickles in.
Ken"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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January 15, 2019, 11:20 AM #2
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Details available so far:
- 500 watts per channel
- Class A Input Stage
- Class A/B Output Stage
- 136 dB dynamic range
- 1,000,000 uF of Capacitance
- Fully balanced design
- Gain switch with 3 fixed gain levels"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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January 15, 2019, 12:03 PM #3
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Will these new amps continue with MSB's industrial design used on their previous amps?
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
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Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
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January 15, 2019, 12:36 PM #4
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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January 15, 2019, 12:58 PM #5
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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January 15, 2019, 03:09 PM #6
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Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
No more Class A...interesting.
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January 15, 2019, 03:17 PM #7
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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January 15, 2019, 05:47 PM #8
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Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Brinkmann Bardo w/ EMT HSD-006 cart, MSB Reference DAC --> Linear Tube Audio MicroZOTL --> Ampzilla 2000, 2nd Edition --> Fyne Audio F1-12
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January 15, 2019, 08:14 PM #9
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
From reviews I've read about their previous generation of "Class A" power amps, in testing they were determined to not maintain their Class A operation at full power but were heavily biased into Class A.
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January 16, 2019, 12:12 AM #10
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January 16, 2019, 12:46 AM #11
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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January 16, 2019, 01:09 AM #12
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Here is a photo of the prototype of the S500 Stereo Amp. The final version could look different.
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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January 16, 2019, 01:11 AM #13
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Photo moved to Wiki Leaks.
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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January 16, 2019, 05:31 AM #14
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
D'Agostino mini me
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January 16, 2019, 07:50 AM #15
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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January 16, 2019, 08:34 AM #16
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Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
I agree with Ken on that...
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January 16, 2019, 09:19 AM #17
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
I like the looks, although the lack of cooling surface means it will work in much lesser degree in Class A (I reckon 10W is max what can be dessipated) than their previous designs. Which, of course, doesn't mean much as it still may sound better.
I'm affraid the redesign will jack up the price considerably - I'm affraid the monos will be in $60k range. This is sth MSB has been doing in the recent years. Not many of you remember, but M202 used to cost $18k, then when M203 come out (with minimal changes), the price went up +50%, to $28k, then again to $40k or so with M204. So the next stop is probably $60k+ ... which is sad.Adam
Speakers: Magico M3
Amp: Dagostino Momentum Stereo
Digital: Lampi Horizon + Lampi DSD Komputer
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January 16, 2019, 10:21 AM #18
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Hi Adam,
The photo was a prototype and the final version will have much larger heat sinks. So I would expect it to be much more heavily biased into Class A than what you’re describing. As for the price, I also would expect it to be heading upwards as the amps are designed to be mated with the Reference and Select DACs.
Ken"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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January 16, 2019, 07:02 PM #19
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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January 16, 2019, 08:32 PM #20
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Ah, I see. They originally had a meter on the prototype but they removed it when they realized through their measurements that it raised the noise floor. They are fanatical about noise suppression. On the photo I had posted of the prototype, all that remained was the circle from the meter. In the circle, was a power and standby button. The final version will have substantially larger heat sinks and the circle from the meter may or may not remain. There could be other changes to the design as well.
Ken"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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January 17, 2019, 04:31 AM #21
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Where do you even guys see a heatsink or a meter ? Are we looking at different pics ?
Adam
Speakers: Magico M3
Amp: Dagostino Momentum Stereo
Digital: Lampi Horizon + Lampi DSD Komputer
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January 17, 2019, 04:41 AM #22
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Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
The picture that was there is no longer there.
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January 17, 2019, 05:34 AM #23
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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February 26, 2019, 11:37 PM #24
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Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Concerned about its form factor; hopefully the feet will be no deeper than 16" - otherwise it won't fit on the platform in my audio rack...
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February 28, 2019, 12:58 PM #25
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
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March 4, 2019, 02:44 PM #26
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
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March 4, 2019, 02:44 PM #27
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Dimensions are 9” x 10” x 22”
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March 4, 2019, 03:17 PM #28
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Impressive looking.
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
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March 4, 2019, 03:39 PM #29
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Yes, looks most impressive.
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March 4, 2019, 06:27 PM #30
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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March 5, 2019, 11:01 AM #31
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Is that a fan in upper left under the round cutout?
"We all know real when we hear it"
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March 5, 2019, 01:12 PM #32
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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March 5, 2019, 01:51 PM #33
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March 5, 2019, 01:55 PM #34
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Hi Ken,
Why would you hope not? From the pictures of the Prototype casework there does not appear to be any external heat sinks or venting. Yes that is a mock up in the pics but there may be intent to keep the outer case smooth and homogenous without cut outs? If so, they would need to move heated air out of the interior of the chassis somehow, no?Avanti Audio
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March 5, 2019, 04:16 PM #35
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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March 5, 2019, 05:36 PM #36
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
So a smaller transformer for the input/control section and a big boy for the output...nice!
"We all know real when we hear it"
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March 6, 2019, 02:35 AM #37
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Hi King,
You may be right but looking at the photo of the M204 monoblocks from MSB’s website suggests that the two transformers could be identical in size. Maybe one transformer for each channel on the S500 Stereo Amp.
http://www.msbtechnology.com/amplifiers/m204/
Best,
Ken"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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March 6, 2019, 06:16 AM #38
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Hi Ken
The upper transformer looks smaller than the one under it but who knows...time will tell. Sure glade to hear there is no fan!"We all know real when we hear it"
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March 8, 2019, 08:49 PM #39
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Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Hello Gentleman,
I just joined here to comment in this thread. I own a fully loaded Diamond Dac 4 with the Signature Data Cd 4 transport with separate power supplies. When I bought them I was using the Krell Evolution1 power amps.
Vince convinced me to buy the 203 monoblocks to replace the Krell's. Krell has a reputation for great bass, and the Evolution1 delivered. When I considered the 203 I read up about zero feedback amps.
They sound great, can be hard to keep stable with the bass being alittle tubby. I bought them anyway. They were alittle tubby on the bottom end compared to Krell, but everywhere else; they destroyed the Evolution1.
The next year I upgraded to the 204's and was assured the bass was not tubby any longer. The 204's bottom end is as good as the Krell, maybe better. The resolution from zero feedback amps is astounding.
The 203 and 4 are hybrid amps. Fully Class A input with A/B output stage. I'm under the impression that they don't output Class A at all. They don't run as hot as the Krell's did, but they can heat the room. I love my MSB stuff. A friend tried a panorama of my room, looks interesting. IMG_2574.jpg
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March 9, 2019, 12:22 PM #40
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Welcome to the forum, thank you for joining. Beautiful room and setup you have, thank you.
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March 10, 2019, 09:04 AM #41
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Thanks for your input. I've never read any M203 vs M204 comparos. I personally still have the M202, which basicly are the same as M203, but with 100VA smaller transformers. From what I've read, the M204 brought a major topology redesign.
The only downside of those amps is the lowest bass, which is like you said a little bit 'tubey'.
I would love to hear the M204 one day. I'm affraid the M500 will cost over $100.000.Adam
Speakers: Magico M3
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Digital: Lampi Horizon + Lampi DSD Komputer
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April 5, 2019, 09:06 PM #42
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
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April 5, 2019, 10:25 PM #43
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
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April 6, 2019, 01:49 PM #44
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
20 amp pc's required
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April 6, 2019, 02:39 PM #45
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
I bet those amps are insanely awesome. If only ...
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April 6, 2019, 04:21 PM #46
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Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
They kinda look like Boulders...
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April 6, 2019, 04:25 PM #47
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
They look pretty good. I like how the industrial design is consistent with their DAC's. Nice job.
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
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April 9, 2019, 09:54 AM #48
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
Love the Bauhaus look
Thankfully, they didn't tack on meters.....
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April 9, 2019, 03:14 PM #49
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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May 9, 2019, 12:46 PM #50
Re: New MSB S500 and M500 Amplifiers
An update on the M500 amps driving Magico M6 speakers, including pricing from Stereophile in Munich.
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