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Thread: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
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December 5, 2020, 05:59 PM #1
MSB S202 Power Amplifier
We saw form post at the introduction 6 months ago but after that all quiet ? Nobody bought it and wants to talk about it?
System #1................................................ System #2
ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
MSB Reference DAC / V2 Renderer ...............SME V arm
VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
MSB S202 Stereo Amp.................. ..... Sutherland current gain phono stage, Phono loco
Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Stenheim Alumime Three
REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bricasti M1 SE DAC
Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
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December 5, 2020, 06:49 PM #2
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
I haven’t heard the S202 yet. I would expect it to be an excellent amp although I prefer monoblocks and that’s the way my system is configured. The S202 is designed to be used with and connected directly to MSB DACs as the adjustable input impedances are 75, 300 and 1,200 ohms.
Ken"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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December 5, 2020, 07:03 PM #3
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
I have one on the way.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProMy Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
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December 5, 2020, 07:36 PM #4
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Ken,
It appears to have adjustable impedances . Won't work with a VAC tube preamp with Recommended Output Load > 300 ohms to great effect?System #1................................................ System #2
ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
MSB Reference DAC / V2 Renderer ...............SME V arm
VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
MSB S202 Stereo Amp.................. ..... Sutherland current gain phono stage, Phono loco
Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Stenheim Alumime Three
REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bricasti M1 SE DAC
Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
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December 5, 2020, 07:38 PM #5
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
it has 75, 300 or 1.2k input impedance adjustment options.
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
https://suncoastaudio.com/
Phone: 941-932-0282
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December 6, 2020, 08:13 PM #6
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Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
I'm anxious to hear how it compares to the Boulder 1161, Gryphon Essence, and Moon 860A V2 when paired with the MSB Discrete (w/ Powerbase) and the Magico A5's. BTW, why doesn't the Premier Powerbase show up as an option anymore for the Discrete on MSB's site?
Amps: Devialet E440's
Sources: Innuos Zenith Mk III (Roon Core), Innuos PhoenixNET
Speakers: Magnepan 3.7i's
Power: Shunyata Triton V3
Cabling: Shunyata Power, Cardas Speaker, Sablon Audio USB, Nordost & Wireworld Enet, DH Labs HDMI's
Racks/Footers: Box Furniture Co Custom Rack, Symposium RollerBlocks, Voodoo Iso-Pods, Herbie's Audio Lab (many)
Replaced HT Gear with a Devialet Dione
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December 6, 2020, 10:49 PM #7
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
https://suncoastaudio.com/
Phone: 941-932-0282
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/
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December 7, 2020, 07:24 PM #8
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
So is what I am hearing it's mostly a no go if you want to pair it with a traditional preamp such as the VAC Signature Mk II SE? That would be unfortunate? I also do not see in the spec if it is stable down to 2 ohm? Will the low impedance do damage to either component or otherwise what problem might it create? It is a glorious piece and playing at my local dealer attached to the Select DAC it's serious gear.
System #1................................................ System #2
ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
MSB Reference DAC / V2 Renderer ...............SME V arm
VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
MSB S202 Stereo Amp.................. ..... Sutherland current gain phono stage, Phono loco
Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Stenheim Alumime Three
REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bricasti M1 SE DAC
Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
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December 7, 2020, 07:42 PM #9
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
https://suncoastaudio.com/
Phone: 941-932-0282
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/
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December 9, 2020, 08:02 PM #10
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
System #1................................................ System #2
ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
MSB Reference DAC / V2 Renderer ...............SME V arm
VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
MSB S202 Stereo Amp.................. ..... Sutherland current gain phono stage, Phono loco
Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Stenheim Alumime Three
REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bricasti M1 SE DAC
Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
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December 9, 2020, 08:04 PM #11
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
https://suncoastaudio.com/
Phone: 941-932-0282
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/
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December 9, 2020, 10:54 PM #12
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Hi Mike,
Unfortunately no. There are many preamps with higher output impedances that the S202 will not work with, as the S202’s highest input impedance is very low at 1,200 ohms. Typical amplifiers have an input impedance of at least 10,000 ohms. The S202’s input impedances are optimized for a direct connection to MSB DACs and will produce wonderful synergy when used that way.
Ken"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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December 11, 2020, 01:28 PM #13
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Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Amps: Devialet E440's
Sources: Innuos Zenith Mk III (Roon Core), Innuos PhoenixNET
Speakers: Magnepan 3.7i's
Power: Shunyata Triton V3
Cabling: Shunyata Power, Cardas Speaker, Sablon Audio USB, Nordost & Wireworld Enet, DH Labs HDMI's
Racks/Footers: Box Furniture Co Custom Rack, Symposium RollerBlocks, Voodoo Iso-Pods, Herbie's Audio Lab (many)
Replaced HT Gear with a Devialet Dione
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December 11, 2020, 01:35 PM #14
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
MSB told me the amps are universal to be driven by any dac or preamp.
I will get the details and report back.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProMy Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
https://suncoastaudio.com/
Phone: 941-932-0282
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/
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December 11, 2020, 04:36 PM #15
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Hi Mike,
As a general rule of thumb, the input impedance of the amplifier should be at minimum 10 times the output impedance of the preamp for optimal performance and sound quality. For instance, Soulution amplifiers have a very low input impedance (511 = 2,000 ohms). Consequently, Soulution preamps sound best with their amps because they have a correspondingly low output impedance (525 = 10 ohms). The ratio is 200 times. The input impedance of the MSB S202 amp is at maximum only 1,200 ohms, hence the limitation. An ARC REF6SE preamp has a balanced output impedance of 600 ohms. Not a good match for the MSB S202 amp.
Ken"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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December 11, 2020, 08:05 PM #16
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Ok so I did a home S202 demo . I screwed up and didn't keep it very long or try the DAC to amp direct . My fault ,the dealer wasn't pushing me to rush it right back but I was so excited by what I heard I ran back with the amp and a deposit to get one on order as quick as I could. I did however take the time to reach out to VAC and MSB in regards to impedance. VAC said the S202 was within the parameters of proper operation for my Signature MkII SE preamp. The reason I believed a preamp was necessary is I have more than one source. After a very nice and detailed conversation with MSB it is most likely I can replace my preamp with a passive switch which they also had a recommendation for. Frankly the amp sounded so dam good going through the preamp that if that's the best I can do I am more than well satisfied. My other source has enough gain and a volume control as well so the passive switch only being a few hundred dollars is an easy try once I get the amp. This is an amazing amp and on the plus side it's beautiful as well.
System #1................................................ System #2
ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
MSB Reference DAC / V2 Renderer ...............SME V arm
VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
MSB S202 Stereo Amp.................. ..... Sutherland current gain phono stage, Phono loco
Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Stenheim Alumime Three
REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bricasti M1 SE DAC
Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
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December 11, 2020, 10:02 PM #17
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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December 12, 2020, 09:36 AM #18
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Congratulations with your new MSB Amp.
Flemming
Lumin X1
Rotel Michi S5
Focus Audio FS788
Inter connect : Nordost Tyr 2 ( 2 Meter )
LS cable : Yter
Power Cables : Nordost Frey 2 ( 2 Meter )
Nordost QB8
Fibercable for feeding the Lumin X1
Rack : Finite Elemente Pagode
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December 12, 2020, 09:42 AM #19
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Congrats Bill. I’m not surprised!
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
https://suncoastaudio.com/
Phone: 941-932-0282
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/
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December 16, 2020, 10:53 AM #20
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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December 16, 2020, 11:23 AM #21
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Beautiful amplifier. The dealer doesn’t know what he’s talking about though. The use of negative feedback or lack thereof, impacts distortion, not signal to noise ratio.
Ken"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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December 16, 2020, 12:03 PM #22
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December 17, 2020, 10:36 AM #23
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Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
And I had a dealer once who didn't even know how to turn the amp on.
p.s. looks like the MSB carpenter went to the same carpentry school as the Magico carpenter.Speakers: Magico M3, ACC, S-SUB | Electronics: Esoteric Grandioso stack | Amplification: Halcro |
Analog cables: Crystal Cable | Digital cables: Shunyata Sigma | Rack: YG Acoustics Rack 1.8
| Source: Kaleidescape Premiere (4 x 6TB) | Power: Shunyata Typhon-QR, Everest and Denali
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December 17, 2020, 10:46 AM #24
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
There are many high knowledge audiophiles on this site and I much enjoy the input I see/hear. Although I use many forms of due diligence before major purchases and almost always include home demos, this form is high value, thank you. I ordered a black one and as with most things in demand these days it will take several weeks to get.
System #1................................................ System #2
ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
MSB Reference DAC / V2 Renderer ...............SME V arm
VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
MSB S202 Stereo Amp.................. ..... Sutherland current gain phono stage, Phono loco
Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Stenheim Alumime Three
REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bricasti M1 SE DAC
Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
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December 17, 2020, 11:36 AM #25
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December 22, 2020, 05:11 PM #26
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProMy Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
https://suncoastaudio.com/
Phone: 941-932-0282
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/
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December 23, 2020, 06:53 AM #27
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
What are you driving with the S202?
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Mike
Amplification: MBL 6010D, MBL 9008A Monos
Analog: Kuzma R, Kuzma 4Point (11”), MSL Ultra Eminent EX
Phono Pre: Pass XP-27
Digital: Esoteric N01XD Esoteric K05
Speakers: MBL 101E MKII
Subwoofers: REL Carbon Specials
Conditioner: Shunyata Triton 3
Power Cables: Shunyata Sigma 1 & 2, Alpha 2, Delta and Venom
ICs and SCs: Wireworld Platinum 8
Rack: Artesania Exoteryc
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December 23, 2020, 07:35 AM #28
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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December 24, 2020, 03:00 PM #29
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Vivid Giya G2 S2 + MSB S202 + MSB Select II - YouTube
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProMy Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
https://suncoastaudio.com/
Phone: 941-932-0282
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/
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December 24, 2020, 04:46 PM #30
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
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Arrived today ,Merry Christmas to me . S202System #1................................................ System #2
ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
MSB Reference DAC / V2 Renderer ...............SME V arm
VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
MSB S202 Stereo Amp.................. ..... Sutherland current gain phono stage, Phono loco
Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Stenheim Alumime Three
REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bricasti M1 SE DAC
Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
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December 24, 2020, 04:50 PM #31
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Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Thanks for sharing, Mike! I've been thinking about this combo except with the Reference dac. Looking forward to hearing it in person. Happy Holidays to you and your family!
Amps: Devialet E440's
Sources: Innuos Zenith Mk III (Roon Core), Innuos PhoenixNET
Speakers: Magnepan 3.7i's
Power: Shunyata Triton V3
Cabling: Shunyata Power, Cardas Speaker, Sablon Audio USB, Nordost & Wireworld Enet, DH Labs HDMI's
Racks/Footers: Box Furniture Co Custom Rack, Symposium RollerBlocks, Voodoo Iso-Pods, Herbie's Audio Lab (many)
Replaced HT Gear with a Devialet Dione
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December 24, 2020, 04:52 PM #32
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Amps: Devialet E440's
Sources: Innuos Zenith Mk III (Roon Core), Innuos PhoenixNET
Speakers: Magnepan 3.7i's
Power: Shunyata Triton V3
Cabling: Shunyata Power, Cardas Speaker, Sablon Audio USB, Nordost & Wireworld Enet, DH Labs HDMI's
Racks/Footers: Box Furniture Co Custom Rack, Symposium RollerBlocks, Voodoo Iso-Pods, Herbie's Audio Lab (many)
Replaced HT Gear with a Devialet Dione
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December 24, 2020, 05:01 PM #33Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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December 24, 2020, 06:46 PM #34
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
One more:
Vivid Giya G2 S2 + MSB S202 + MSB Select II - YouTube
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December 24, 2020, 07:02 PM #35
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Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Ho ho ho!
Brinkmann Bardo w/ EMT HSD-006 cart, MSB Reference DAC --> Linear Tube Audio MicroZOTL --> Ampzilla 2000, 2nd Edition --> Fyne Audio F1-12
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December 24, 2020, 09:58 PM #36
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000’s with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords
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December 25, 2020, 05:11 AM #37
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Billt1 congratulations with your Christmas present.
Flemming
Lumin X1
Rotel Michi S5
Focus Audio FS788
Inter connect : Nordost Tyr 2 ( 2 Meter )
LS cable : Yter
Power Cables : Nordost Frey 2 ( 2 Meter )
Nordost QB8
Fibercable for feeding the Lumin X1
Rack : Finite Elemente Pagode
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December 25, 2020, 08:17 AM #38
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Francisco
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December 25, 2020, 08:18 AM #39
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Congrats Bill. Let us know how it pairs with the Premier.
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December 25, 2020, 10:48 AM #40
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
System #1................................................ System #2
ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
MSB Reference DAC / V2 Renderer ...............SME V arm
VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
MSB S202 Stereo Amp.................. ..... Sutherland current gain phono stage, Phono loco
Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Stenheim Alumime Three
REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bricasti M1 SE DAC
Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
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January 4, 2021, 12:38 PM #41
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Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Listening impressions so far?
Amps: Devialet E440's
Sources: Innuos Zenith Mk III (Roon Core), Innuos PhoenixNET
Speakers: Magnepan 3.7i's
Power: Shunyata Triton V3
Cabling: Shunyata Power, Cardas Speaker, Sablon Audio USB, Nordost & Wireworld Enet, DH Labs HDMI's
Racks/Footers: Box Furniture Co Custom Rack, Symposium RollerBlocks, Voodoo Iso-Pods, Herbie's Audio Lab (many)
Replaced HT Gear with a Devialet Dione
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January 4, 2021, 06:12 PM #42
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
I was going to wait to do a more comprehensive review until I had done some further experimentation but since you asked. In short, I am flabbergasted. Like I said I was going to wait until I had tried different configurations which to date I have not. Those other configurations being a direct connection from the MSB Premier DAC to the S202 and the second being a passive switch from Goldpoint in place of my VAC Signature Mk II SE preamp. The break-in curve for this amp seemed almost nonexistent which lead me to instant satisfaction and greatly slowed down my desire to experiment. As I told MSB, if this is the best I ever get from this amp I will still remain in Heaven. If at a later date I find improvement by going DAC direct or by using a passive switch it will only be gravy . The standard accolades don’t apply but then they all do , musical , accurate, fast, large. But none of those really describe it . It just sounds real. I keep trying to sort out in my head what separates this Amp from every amp I have owned and the majority of amps I have heard in dealer showrooms and High End shows. I keep coming back to the same conclusion, decay. The decay just sounds right. There is no overly controlled truncation or artificial extension either. I was very happy with the very capable amp I had just purchased 6 months ago and if the dealer hadn't dropped an S202 off at my house to try I never would have known just how good it was. Once I did I couldn't wait to own one. I will follow up at a later date after I experiment with configurations but for now I just don't see any shortcomings only pleasure .
System #1................................................ System #2
ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
MSB Reference DAC / V2 Renderer ...............SME V arm
VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
MSB S202 Stereo Amp.................. ..... Sutherland current gain phono stage, Phono loco
Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Stenheim Alumime Three
REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bricasti M1 SE DAC
Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
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January 4, 2021, 07:26 PM #43
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Thanks for sharing, Billt1! I hope I can listen to it soon. So happy to hear it has worked out so well for you. Sounds like a very special piece. Just curious why you are using the Goldpoint? Is it for your phono input?
Amps: Devialet E440's
Sources: Innuos Zenith Mk III (Roon Core), Innuos PhoenixNET
Speakers: Magnepan 3.7i's
Power: Shunyata Triton V3
Cabling: Shunyata Power, Cardas Speaker, Sablon Audio USB, Nordost & Wireworld Enet, DH Labs HDMI's
Racks/Footers: Box Furniture Co Custom Rack, Symposium RollerBlocks, Voodoo Iso-Pods, Herbie's Audio Lab (many)
Replaced HT Gear with a Devialet Dione
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January 4, 2021, 09:06 PM #44
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
In this system I also interface with home theater .The VAC preamp has a Home theater bypass . After very informative discussions with my Dealer and MSB I was given some suggestions . They tell me the Premier DAC has a very capable Preamp and of course the HT Processor has one as well. Having the additional VAC preamp may or may not be a necessary redundancy. The Goldpoint is just a passive switch and may replace the VAC preamp. It sounds so good right now I feel no need to rush. I will order it as it's only $400 and cheap enough to give it a whirl. If it sounds better with the VAC in place I'll keep it. Like I said, if this is the best the system has to offer I am more than delighted
System #1................................................ System #2
ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
MSB Reference DAC / V2 Renderer ...............SME V arm
VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
MSB S202 Stereo Amp.................. ..... Sutherland current gain phono stage, Phono loco
Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Stenheim Alumime Three
REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bricasti M1 SE DAC
Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
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January 4, 2021, 10:34 PM #45
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Beautiful room and fantastic equipment. You don’t often see Wilson’s pulled out from the front wall. Well done! Bet it sounds great.
Morgan
NEW SYSTEM UNDER CONSTRUCTION
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January 4, 2021, 10:44 PM #46
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Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
I second that...gorgeous room!
Amps: Devialet E440's
Sources: Innuos Zenith Mk III (Roon Core), Innuos PhoenixNET
Speakers: Magnepan 3.7i's
Power: Shunyata Triton V3
Cabling: Shunyata Power, Cardas Speaker, Sablon Audio USB, Nordost & Wireworld Enet, DH Labs HDMI's
Racks/Footers: Box Furniture Co Custom Rack, Symposium RollerBlocks, Voodoo Iso-Pods, Herbie's Audio Lab (many)
Replaced HT Gear with a Devialet Dione
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January 4, 2021, 11:12 PM #47
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Beautiful and cozy! Love it.
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January 5, 2021, 11:59 AM #48
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Its a great looking room .
Flemming
Lumin X1
Rotel Michi S5
Focus Audio FS788
Inter connect : Nordost Tyr 2 ( 2 Meter )
LS cable : Yter
Power Cables : Nordost Frey 2 ( 2 Meter )
Nordost QB8
Fibercable for feeding the Lumin X1
Rack : Finite Elemente Pagode
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January 31, 2021, 10:31 PM #49
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Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
Any updates on S202 impressions?
Thanks.
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February 2, 2021, 07:18 PM #50
Re: MSB S202 Power Amplifier
My first impressions remain unchanged. I am always hesitant to state an opinion quickly after setting up a new piece of gear as often times the settling in softens the enthusiasm. Not this time. Not only is it a Steller performer sonically and visually the billet aluminum casework remains almost cool to the touch. That may sound inconsequential but I have amplifiers that change the room temperature . I did try the Premier DAC direct to S202 and I will say it was different. Was it better than going through the VAC preamp? Maybe maybe not. It was close enough I didn't feel I was shorting myself by using the preamp and It makes interfacing with other sources easy. So at least for now it stays. If the Premier was my only source I probably wouldn't use a preamp.
System #1................................................ System #2
ROON Nucleus + server ...............................SME 20/3A
MSB Reference DAC / V2 Renderer ...............SME V arm
VAC Signature MkII SE Preamp .....................Dynavector TE Kaitora Rua
MSB S202 Stereo Amp.................. ..... Sutherland current gain phono stage, Phono loco
Wilson Audio Sasha II................................ Stenheim Alumime Three
REL G1 Mk II (pair) Subs............................ Bricasti M1 SE DAC
Transparent Audio Gen 5 Reference........... T+A PA3000HV Integrated
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