MIT in the store!

**Mike** · August 17, 2017, 05:31 PM

Trying these babies out.

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**Audio 1** · August 17, 2017, 05:40 PM

Looking forward to your impressions Mike!!

**Mike** · August 17, 2017, 06:10 PM

First impressions - damn it! I don't want to like them. No, no, no.

But...

Great tone. NOT aggressive or bitey at all. More resolution than the Siltech (hearing more detail and nuances in the music, like breaths from the musicians that I have not heard before). Very balanced top to bottom without the slight coloration in the lower mids that some cables have. The music has great rhythm, no excessive hang to the notes. Very quick start and stop.

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**joeinid** · August 17, 2017, 06:24 PM

Cool Mike! Nice surprise.

**mdp632** · August 17, 2017, 06:50 PM

Mike ,

Did the use of MIT in the magico hq peak your interest ? Also how many poles of articulation do those speaker cables have ?

**Mike** · August 17, 2017, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by mdp632

Mike ,

Did the use of MIT in the magico hq pique hour interest ? Also how many poles of articulation do those speaker cables have ?

Not exactly. MIT called me. But I've been interested and after reading Robert Harley's review of the MIT cables in this months TAS, I became downright excited to get them.

115 poles.

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**still-one** · August 17, 2017, 07:15 PM

Mike
You know I am a believer in cables that are supposed to do something to get us closer to what we want to hear. Good luck with your trials.

**Mike** · August 17, 2017, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by still-one

Mike
You know I am a believer in cables that are supposed to do something to get us closer to what we want to hear. Good luck with your trials.

Well, it's almost 7:30pm and I'm still at the store. My wife just called to ask where I was.

Uhhh....just one more song....

Going to keep burning these babies in. MIT says 2 weeks.

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**Mike** · August 17, 2017, 10:25 PM

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/arti...interconnects/

**Alpinist** · August 18, 2017, 02:49 AM

One of my local dealers swears by MIT and has used them for 20 years. I had an in-home demo for several weeks of an MIT loom and they definitely have a lot of strong points: terrific imaging and soundstage, detail and nuance, very low noise, neutrality and excellent speed and dynamics on transients. I believe I ended up sticking with my Cardas at the time because the MIT leaned a bit too much to the analytical side versus the organic sound of my Cardas. I'm sure Mike's MIT cables are a newer, higher and better version of what I demoed several years back.

Best,
Ken

**mdp632** · August 18, 2017, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by Alpinist

One of my local dealers swears by MIT and has used them for 20 years. I had an in-home demo for several weeks of an MIT loom and they definitely have a lot of strong points: terrific imaging and soundstage, detail and nuance, very low noise, neutrality and excellent speed and dynamics on transients. I believe I ended up sticking with my Cardas at the time because the MIT leaned a bit too much to the analytical side versus the organic sound of my Cardas. I'm sure Mike's MIT cables are a newer, higher and better version of what I demoed several years back.

Best,
Ken

I'd definitely like to try an MIT loom sometime in my own system. At least the speaker cables and a pair of interconnects. I've been skeptical about their technology in the past but, always curious.

Mike,

Please let us know as you continue to break them in.

**Mike** · August 18, 2017, 07:35 AM

I stayed at the store until late listening. I found serious toe tapping happening. Also, I kept turning the music louder and louder. Such an exhilarating sound.

But, I must continue to listen and when the newness wears off, what's left? Good, bad, indifferent?

I also have a loom of Shunyata Sigma NR speaker, IC, etc coming and I've recently had some Tellurium Q (black and Ultra Black) in the store. Very nice!

But so far, these MIT's are a terrific pairing on the Magico's.

**Alpinist** · August 18, 2017, 09:18 AM

The MIT cables match extremely well to the Magico sound. Big synergy there. I'm sure this is the reason Magico primarily uses them.

Ken

**Mike** · August 18, 2017, 09:46 AM

Damn it! I'm not getting any work done today.

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**Melbguy1** · August 18, 2017, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Alpinist

The MIT cables match extremely well to the Magico sound. Big synergy there. I'm sure this is the reason Magico primarily uses them.

Ken

I think the MIT cables might be a bit too much of a good thing for my tastes. Like you Ken I think i'd lean toward my current Jorma cables for their more natural/organic presentation, harmonic richness & touch more delicacy.

**Mike** · August 18, 2017, 09:50 AM

From my perspective, this is the best cable synergy I've ever heard with the Magico's in the store. I've tried: AQ, Siltech, Kimber, Ansuz, Tellurium Q, etc.

Frankly, it's not close. I now know why Magico uses them in the factory and the shows.

But....I keep listening.

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**the professor** · August 18, 2017, 10:59 AM

Thats great Mike. It's great to see synergy.

**Melbguy1** · August 18, 2017, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

From my perspective, this is the best cable synergy I've ever heard with the Magico's in the store. I've tried: AQ, Siltech, Kimber, Ansuz, Tellurium Q, etc.

Frankly, it's not close. I now know why Magico uses them in the factory and the shows.

But....I keep listening.

You need to listen to Jorma Statement with Magico Mike

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**Mike** · August 18, 2017, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Melbguy1

You need to listen to Jorma Statement with Magico Mike

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Would love to.

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**Odyssey** · August 18, 2017, 02:14 PM

Jealous! Of all the world class electronics, speakers and accessories you get to indulge in Mike!

**audio.bill** · August 18, 2017, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Damn it! I'm not getting any work done today.

Wait a minute, that IS your work! As the saying goes "If you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life."

**Mike** · August 18, 2017, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by audio.bill

Wait a minute, that IS your work! As the saying goes "If you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life."

You're so right Bill. After 25 years of IT Projects, I much prefer this. But the saying "how do you make a small fortune in high end audio? Start with a large fortune!" is sooooo true.

Hiring smart, young go getters to do the IT project work, respond to BS RFP's, RFI's and RFQ's was the best thing I ever did.

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**Kuoppis** · August 18, 2017, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

You're so right Bill. After 25 years of IT Projects, I much prefer this. But the saying "how do you make a small fortune in high end audio? Start with a large fortune!" is sooooo true.

Hiring smart, young go getters to do the IT project work, respond to BS RFP's, RFI's and RFQ's was the best thing I ever did.

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You're borrowing from a great mind

.

Richard Branson was once asked how to become a millionaire. His answer was simple: Be a billionaire and buy an airline.

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**mdp632** · August 18, 2017, 03:52 PM

Mike ,

are you using the interconnects as well ? If so , how do you determine the impedence setting to use ? Trial and error ?

**jdandy** · August 18, 2017, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Well, it's almost 7:30pm and I'm still at the store. My wife just called to ask where I was.

Uhhh....just one more song....

Mike.......So, was the dinner cold when you finally made it home? .

**Mike** · August 18, 2017, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by jdandy

Mike.......So, was the dinner cold when you finally made it home? .

The cold dinner was accompanied with a fiery stare.

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**Mike** · August 18, 2017, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by mdp632

Mike ,

are you using the interconnects as well ? If so , how do you determine the impedence setting to use ? Trial and error ?

Yes. I told MIT what equipment I would be using.

Uhh...I've been at the store all day listening.

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**Audio 1** · August 18, 2017, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by mdp632

Mike ,

are you using the interconnects as well ? If so , how do you determine the impedence setting to use ? Trial and error ?

Originally Posted by Mike

Yes. I told MIT what equipment I would be using.

Uhh...I've been at the store all day listening.

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The interconnects have a 3 position switch and the starting point for selection is the line level impedance of the source (sending) unit.

Mike does Magico use MIT wire internally in their speakers?

**Mike** · August 18, 2017, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Audio 1

The interconnects have a 3 position switch and the starting point for selection is the line level impedance of the source (sending) unit.

Mike does Magico use MIT wire internally in their speakers?

I just left it at Medium (40-100ohms). The Pass amp is 100ohms. The Vitus is 75ohms.

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**Mike** · August 18, 2017, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Audio 1

The interconnects have a 3 position switch and the starting point for selection is the line level impedance of the source (sending) unit.

Mike does Magico use MIT wire internally in their speakers?

Mundorff wiring.

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**jdandy** · August 18, 2017, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

The cold dinner was accompanied with a fiery stare.

Mike.......I was going to mention that, but held off. Not surprised to discover my thought had validity. Seems to be universal. .

**Melbguy1** · August 19, 2017, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Mundorff wiring.

Are you sure Mike? The reason I ask is Myles B Astor commented in his review of the S7's - "All internal wiring used stranded (as opposed to solid-core in the Q-series) wire sourced from Japan that uses two 10 gauge conductors wound in different geometries for (+) and (-).", though Magico may have reverted to Mundorf wiring for the S5 Mk2.

**Mike** · August 19, 2017, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Melbguy1

Are you sure Mike? The reason I ask is Myles B Astor commented in his review of the S7's - "All internal wiring used stranded (as opposed to solid-core in the Q-series) wire sourced from Japan that uses two 10 gauge conductors wound in different geometries for (+) and (-).", though Magico may have reverted to Mundorf wiring for the S5 Mk2.

Yes. This came from Magico yesterday.

**Melbguy1** · August 19, 2017, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Yes. This came from Magico yesterday.

Ok, thanks for the clarification Mike. I was sure that Magico were using essentially the same internal wire in the S5 Mk2 as the S7. But that only highlights nothing stands still at Magico, and each loudspeaker design essentially starts with a fresh page.

**byrdparis** · August 19, 2017, 08:44 AM

great cables... i'm "still" with my royal double crown siltech loom.... flipping them to anything else will deliver heart failure

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**Mike** · August 19, 2017, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by byrdparis

great cables... i'm "still" with my royal double crown siltech loom.... flipping them to anything else will deliver heart failure

.

Siltech is my go to cable. I hate to admit it, but these MIT's are also superb (says the guy who swore he would never have "cables with boxes")...grumble, grumble. When I read about the technology behind MIT, it makes sense and you can literally hear it. Damn it!

I find most copper cables sonically are different in a "varying shades of grey" sense. Of course some are better than others. I love the liquidity of Shunyata and can't wait to try the new NR series speaker and IC's. Audioquest copper and silver are also superb! You wouldn't believe how beautiful the full AQ loom sounds on the S3 mk2's with Ayre. Ansuz is a real sleeper and terrific with Raidho. Ansuz power cables are superb. I haven't had enough time with Tellirium Q, but first impressions are really good - especially the Ultra Black. I find Siltech's silver/gold composites absolutely splendid and completely different sonically from a typical copper cable. The MIT's with their technology again, totally different. So far, incredible synergy with Magico.

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**Alpinist** · August 19, 2017, 12:02 PM

Hi Mike,

I'm not surprised you are loving the MIT cables with Magico. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if MIT becomes your go to cable with Magico. They should sound great together because they are very similar sonically. Both have rock solid imaging, a broad soundstage, a high level of detail and are very neutral in their presentation.

Best,
Ken

**mdp632** · August 19, 2017, 06:28 PM

I can't wait for the comparison with the Shunyta Sigma loom. But, I've heard a full magico system with Shunyata for power (cables and conditioners) and MIT speaker and interconnects.

It was a great sound for sure.

**Alpinist** · August 19, 2017, 08:54 PM

I also auditioned the $50K MIT loom with the Magico S7 and it was very impressive.

Ken

**BlueFox** · August 19, 2017, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by mdp632

I can't wait for the comparison with the Shunyta Sigma loom. But, I've heard a full magico system with Shunyata for power (cables and conditioners) and MIT speaker and interconnects.

It was a great sound for sure.

Same here. I was just about ready to upgrade my ICs and speaker cables to the new Sigmas, but spent the money on a two week trip to Peru to cruise the Amazon. Wondering if I made the right decision.

**Kuoppis** · August 19, 2017, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by mdp632

I can't wait for the comparison with the Shunyta Sigma loom. But, I've heard a full magico system with Shunyata for power (cables and conditioners) and MIT speaker and interconnects.

Are the MIT and Shunyata Sigma looms comparable price-wise?

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**Mike** · August 19, 2017, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kuoppis

Are the MIT and Shunyata Sigma looms comparable price-wise?

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No. The Shunyata is less expensive. 50%

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**ack** · August 27, 2017, 10:16 AM

Mike, how's the evaluation going so far? If I were you, I would also audition the Oracle series.

**joeinid** · August 27, 2017, 04:09 PM

Welcome to the forum ack, thank you so much for joining.

**Mike** · August 27, 2017, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by ack

Mike, how's the evaluation going so far? If I were you, I would also audition the Oracle series.

It's hard to stay impartial, because these are on another planet.

I took them to a clients and now he won't give them back.

I would LOVE to try the Oracle series.

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**The Sandman** · August 27, 2017, 05:04 PM

The MIT's are MIA?

**Mike** · August 27, 2017, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by The Sandman

The MIT's are MIA?

Yes, let me know if you see them.

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**ack** · August 27, 2017, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

Welcome to the forum ack, thank you so much for joining.

Thanks. I've been an inactive reader here for years.

**ack** · August 27, 2017, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

It's hard to stay impartial, because these are on another planet.

I took them to a clients and now he won't give them back.

Not sure if you plugged in the MA-X phono that you show in the picture, but I would say there is just no other for this application. Its performance can be further improved if you shield the box with mu-metal and depending on the situation, with additional ferrite beads... this is how I run it. Fascinating cables and technology, especially the Oracle line.

**Mike** · August 27, 2017, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by ack

Not sure if you plugged in the MA-X phono that you show in the picture, but I would say there is just no other for this application. Its performance can be further improved if you shield the box with mu-metal and depending on the situation, with additional ferrite beads... this is how I run it. Fascinating cables and technology, especially the Oracle line.

I'm going through mental gymnastics about keeping it. I'm going to order a full loom for my home system. Since I have a decent turntable with the Kronos, I think keeping the MA-X Phono makes sense.

I had always sworn "no boxes on my cables for me". But after MIT sent me this loom to TRY, I could not get over the dramatic difference I was hearing and therefore, I bought the demo set without thinking twice. I even had to take them to a clients house to verify what myself and others who came to the store last week were hearing. I thought I was losing my mind. I've never heard cables do what these do.

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