MIT in the store!

**Alectiong** · August 27, 2017, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

I'm going through mental gymnastics about keeping it. I'm going to order a full loom for my home system. Since I have a decent turntable with the Kronos, I think keeping the MA-X Phono makes sense.

I had always sworn "no boxes on my cables for me". But after MIT sent me this loom to TRY, I could not get over the dramatic difference I was hearing and therefore, I bought the demo set without thinking twice. I even had to take them to a clients house to verify what myself and others who came to the store last week were hearing. I thought I was losing my mind. I've never heard cables do what these do.

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How does it compare with the Siltech? Different sound?

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**Mike** · August 27, 2017, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Alectiong

How does it compare with the Siltech? Different sound?

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This is where I can get into trouble.

. Without going into too much, let's just say, I greatly prefer the MIT on the systems I've tried it on. These aren't cables where you say "this one does this better and that one does that better." ON THE SYSTEMS I'VE TRIED (full disclosure: all Magico systems to date), this is like comparing a $500 Rotel amp to a pair of Pass XS300's. I've tried dozens of cables, and they were all various shades of gray. The MIT cables are entirely on another planet on both a micro and macro level. I'm glad Alon at Magico asked the guys at MIT send me a full loom to try. I'll admit, when MIT first called me, I did everything I could to persuade them that I wasn't interested. But they persisted and boy, am I glad they did. Trust me, there have been lots of "WTF?" moment as I've been listening. The differences have been so substantial, you honestly begin to question what you're hearing and whether this is just some weird placebo affect. I'm here to assure you, it's not. Thankfully I've had others help me confirm what I'm hearing.

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**Audiohippo** · August 28, 2017, 05:29 AM

Wow! I am now looking them up!

**Kuoppis** · August 28, 2017, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

This is where I can get into trouble.

. Without going into too much, let's just say, I greatly prefer the MIT on the systems I've tried it on. These aren't cables where you say "this one does this better and that one does that better." ON THE SYSTEMS I'VE TRIED (full disclosure: all Magico systems to date), this is like comparing a $500 Rotel amp to a pair of Pass XS300's. I've tried dozens of cables, and they were all various shades of gray. The MIT cables are entirely on another planet on both a micro and macro level. I'm glad Alon at Magico asked the guys at MIT send me a full loom to try. I'll admit, when MIT first called me, I did everything I could to persuade them that I wasn't interested. But they persisted and boy, am I glad they did. Trust me, there have been lots of "WTF?" moment as I've been listening. The differences have been so substantial, you honestly begin to question what you're hearing and whether this is just some weird placebo affect. I'm here to assure you, it's not. Thankfully I've had others help me confirm what I'm hearing.

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Mike, exactly which interconnects and speaker cables from the MIT line-up have you been using?

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**Mike** · August 28, 2017, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Kuoppis

Mike, exactly which interconnects and speaker cables from the MIT line-up have you been using?

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Level 1 of the new Heritage Series (which debuted at Munich).

http://www.mitcables.com/products/th...ge-series.html

**Kuoppis** · August 28, 2017, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Level 1 of the new Heritage Series (which debuted at Munich).

http://www.mitcables.com/products/th...ge-series.html

Interesting. That good, huh?

They're precious, but not nutty level.

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**Mike** · August 28, 2017, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Kuoppis

Interesting.

That good, huh?

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1000% yes. Beg or borrow some. Do whatever you can to try them in your system. After 3 days, there will be no way you could take them out. I'm hearing wonderful tone on guitar, piano, amazing decay on instruments and voices, resolution at a higher level (like a thin veil removed), a much more liquid, fluid sound. Much greater dynamics and at a macro level, such a level of emotional engagement.

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**Tony007** · August 28, 2017, 02:05 PM

Mike,

Did your MIT Heritage Level 1 cables have any time on them before you got them or were they brand spankin new?

**Mike** · August 28, 2017, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Tony007

Mike,

Did your MIT Heritage Level 1 cables have any time on them before you got them or were they brand spankin new?

MIT broke them in for 10 days straight.

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**Tony007** · August 29, 2017, 09:47 PM

Mike, have you decided which MIT cables you plan to order for your home system?

**Mike** · August 29, 2017, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Tony007

Mike, have you decided which MIT cables you plan to order for your home system?

Yes. After talking with Bruce (founder of MIT), I'm going with the Evo series. He said they worked best with low powered SET amps.

But for the store (where I have big powerful amps), it's 2C3D all the way.

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**Audio 1** · August 29, 2017, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Yes. After talking with Bruce (founder of MIT), I'm going with the Evo series. He said they worked best with low powered SET amps.

But for the store (where I have big powerful amps), it's 2C3D all the way.

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Did your conversation with Bruce involve any discussion about the network boxes?
If so did it alleviate any possible remaining reservations related to using cables with boxes?
Obviously you have moved past this after hearing the results, but I am curious as Bruce is certainly a legendary figure in cable design.

**mdp632** · August 29, 2017, 10:28 PM

Funny I thought the 2CD series simply added that circuit (2CD) over the EVO.

**Mike** · August 29, 2017, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Audio 1

Did your conversation with Bruce involve any discussion about the network boxes?
If so did it alleviate any possible remaining reservations related to using cables with boxes?
Obviously you have moved past this after hearing the results, but I am curious as Bruce is certainly a legendary figure in cable design.

Well, as they say, hearing is believing. Yes, I will admit, I was a "no boxes on my cables" guy. I was the biggest skeptic of boxes on cables. But after hearing what these are doing, there is NO going back. This isn't like "oh I hear a little more sweetness on top" or "I hear less grunge in the lower mids" or "bass is tighter", this is "holy sh!t am I hallucinating?" I knew when I took the cables to my clients to try, I knew I wouldn't get them back. You just can't live without them once you've heard them.

I did talk to Bruce to get a better understanding of what is doing what and WHY I'm hearing what I'm hearing. I told him, now I'm very glad they didn't take no for an answer.

I still cannot believe what I'm hearing. Bigger than a component change that's for sure.

Just to be clear, I have only heard them on Magico. Once I get my next set, I will try them on Vivid, KEF, Avantgarde, ELAC, etc. I'm really curious to hear if the impact is as dramatic. Bruce assures me it will be.

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**Mike** · August 29, 2017, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by mdp632

Funny I thought the 2CD series simply added that circuit (2CD) over the EVO.

I did too. But all MIT cables have 2C3D technology. As you go up the line, the number of poles increases, as does the size of the components in the boxes - capacitors, etc. FWIW, Bruce seemed most pleased with the Heritage 2C3D & Evo series. It seems like he achieved a goal of bringing a good percentage of the top dog cable sound down to lower price points.

I won't pretend to know everything about what the cables are doing. The MIT website is chalked full of white papers, patent information and more for those more technically inclined. I just want to listen.

FWIW, I asked Bruce what he uses at home, he said the ACC206.

**mdp632** · August 29, 2017, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Well, as they say, hearing is believing. Yes, I will admit, I was a "no boxes on my cables" guy. I was the biggest skeptic of boxes on cables. But after hearing what these are doing, there is NO going back. This isn't like "oh I hear a little more sweetness on top" or "I hear less grunge in the lower mids" or "bass is tighter", this is "holy sh!t am I hallucinating?" I knew when I took the cables to my clients to try, I knew I wouldn't get them back. You just can't live without them once you've heard them.

I did talk to Bruce to get a better understanding of what is doing what and WHY I'm hearing what I'm hearing. I told him, now I'm very glad they didn't take no for an answer.

I still cannot believe what I'm hearing. Bigger than a component change that's for sure.

Just to be clear, I have only heard them on Magico. Once I get my next set, I will try them on Vivid, KEF, Avantgarde, ELAC, etc. I'm really curious to hear if the impact is as dramatic. Bruce assures me it will be.

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Wow... Please stop...I must ..not..buy more audio equipment :-)

**Mike** · August 29, 2017, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by mdp632

Wow... Please stop...I must ..not..buy more audio equipment :-)

I would offer to loan you mine to try, but, uhmmm...they're gone...gobbled up by an incredible system of Magico S7's and Pass XS300/XSPre/Berk REF2 MQA DAC/Aurender N10.

Will be a month before I get another full set. Going to order EVO series too.

**mdp632** · August 30, 2017, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

I would offer to loan you mine to try, but, uhmmm...they're gone...gobbled up by an incredible system of Magico S7's and Pass XS300/XSPre/Berk REF2 MQA DAC/Aurender N10.

Will be a month before I get another full set. Going to order EVO series too.

Wow. Nice system. What was the owner using before the MIT?

**Mike** · August 30, 2017, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by mdp632

Wow. Nice system. What was the owner using before the MIT?

Acoustic Zen.

**mdp632** · August 30, 2017, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Acoustic Zen.

I have nothing against Acoustic Zen but, it looks like their cables are very simple but, high quality. Gets the job done etc... Eg..they don't have the technology of an MIT etc... With that system you mentioned the MIT loom had to have taken it to another level. Given some of the positive comments on this thread.

**Tony007** · September 6, 2017, 06:45 PM

Mike, do we know how many poles the level 1 xlr interconnects and speaker cables have?

**mdp632** · September 6, 2017, 07:38 PM

I'll be curious to know myself. Well at least on all Levels of the 2C3D line. I asked MIT but, they didn't give me an answer. They stated they didn't advertise "Poles" in the 2C3D line because customers would get confused when compared with the Oracle line. Funny, MIT claims they are the only cable manufacture that can quantify their line and performance via "Poles of Articulation" but, chose not to market the 2C3D line like that.

**Mike** · September 6, 2017, 08:26 PM

It's similar to the ORACLE series, but the ORACLE series still offers a refining quality due to its use of even great and more robust parts.

The 2C3D is definitely a sweet spot, but I'm jonesing for the ACC206.

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**mdp632** · September 6, 2017, 08:35 PM

Mike,

Good to know. I just wish MIT had a PDF with a comparison of all their products. Eg.. a column for articulation poles, JFA, etc..all of their technologies...

I'm curious to see how MIT plays with the other speaker lines you carry besides Magico. I know you mentioned Bruce Brisson stated he felt the the improvement would still be as profound.

Also, does the owner who bought your 2C3D cables have any impressions to share to forum? He has quite an impressive system as you mentioned. Even before he added the MIT.

Thanks

**Tony007** · September 8, 2017, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

It's similar to the ORACLE series, but the ORACLE series still offers a refining quality due to its use of even great and more robust parts.

The 2C3D is definitely a sweet spot, but I'm jonesing for the ACC206.

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So when can we expect those 206's to show up?

**Mike** · September 8, 2017, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Tony007

So when can we expect those 206's to show up?

As soon as I can negotiate a better price on a kidney.

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**Mike** · September 19, 2017, 04:40 PM

They're back.....

Got my new loom today. Put them in the system. Same incredible impression as last time. Liquid. Big sound. Incredible 3D. It's all there.

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**mdp632** · September 19, 2017, 08:26 PM

Nice, any plans to connect them other speakers? Perhaps the Blade 2s?

**kzhtoo** · September 20, 2017, 02:27 AM

Hi Mike, MIT fully burns in the cables before being shipped?

**wisnon** · September 20, 2017, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Well, it's almost 7:30pm and I'm still at the store. My wife just called to ask where I was.

Uhhh....just one more song....

Going to keep burning these babies in. MIT says 2 weeks.

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Yah!

Better have em ready for mid-October.

LoL

**kzhtoo** · September 21, 2017, 12:14 AM

**Phishphan** · September 21, 2017, 08:12 AM

The cost of most MIT cabling is outrageous. A set of these speaker wires cost more than my speakers. A set of bi-wire are nearly 19k. For that money, buy better source components or upgrade some that makes a real difference. While I do believe there is benefit from good wire. I have all Wire World Silver. This cost level is wire is snake oil.

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**Mike** · September 21, 2017, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Phishphan

The cost of most MIT cabling is outrageous. A set of these speaker wires cost more than my speakers. A set of bi-wire are nearly 19k. For that money, buy better source components or upgrade some that makes a real difference. While I do believe there is benefit from good wire. I have all Wire World Silver. This cost level is wire is snake oil.

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Have you heard them? These MIT cables made a bigger difference than a new source component or new amp. I was fundamentally against "boxes on cables" until I heard these in my system. Another owner (Sandman) has also posted his impressions. The MIT cables, IC's and digital cables are the single most exciting new product I've tried in 3 years or more. I'm stunned at the improvement.

MIT also make the much more modestly priced EVO level (and three different price points in that level) offering a good dose of the technology from the 2C3D series.

**Tony007** · September 22, 2017, 07:08 PM

Mike, did you also get your EVO cables in too?

**Mike** · September 22, 2017, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Tony007

Mike, did you also get your EVO cables in too?

Ordered! Soon to arrive.

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**Mike** · September 22, 2017, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by Tony007

Mike, did you also get your EVO cables in too?

Just arrived!

Going on the Avantgarde's this weekend.

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**Mike** · September 22, 2017, 10:44 PM

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**Kuoppis** · September 23, 2017, 12:03 AM

Will be interesting to hear what you think overall and versus the 2C3C line.

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**AlterEgo** · September 23, 2017, 08:18 AM

Mike, I am also very interested in your thoughts concerning 2C3D vs. EVO especially with the Vitus.
I will probably receive Cardas Clear Beyond in two weeks for testing. Perhaps anyone has any thoughts comparing the Cardas to the MIT?

Systeminfo:
- Amp: VA SIA025+SS025
- Phonoamp: Tom Evans Groove Plus SRX MK II
- TT: Thales Compact + Thales Simplicity II
- PURIST Statement MusicServer
- LS: Gauder RC 8
- Room ca. 90 qm

**Tony007** · September 24, 2017, 10:51 AM

Mike,

Can’t wait for some initial impressions of the EVO’s on the horns..

**Mike** · September 24, 2017, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Tony007

Mike,

Can’t wait for some initial impressions of the EVO’s on the horns..

First hour was rough (I did NOT ask MIT to burn them in), but after that, things started to smooth out. What I hear is such amazing presence, better separation, MUCH better in the lower mids (no smearing or excess color/bloat), BIG bass and smooth on top. Really, it's all there.

I won't be able to compare to the 2C3D for a few days, but I would have to think MIT is right, you get "more" of everything as you move up the line.

Oh, and one more thing, the MIT single ended cables are much quieter than my Siltech's.

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