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May 12, 2013, 01:26 AM #1Senior Member
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McIntosh C2300 or C2500
I just sold my Herron amp, Pre, and phono and looking to get a new preamp. Read a lot of positive comments from C2300 owners but not much is out there on the C2500 since it's new
Has anyone here compared the C2300 and C2500?
Thanks!Paul
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May 12, 2013, 01:54 AM #2Super Moderator
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
I had the C2300 and liked it very much. I can't comment on the C2500 but the only negative, if you can call it that, is having a built in DAC. Some believe that they obsolete quickly but just like a digital camera, it will always be what it is. I think with Fine Sounds backing McIntosh there may be future updates. I like the convenience and would love to hear the new C2500 for myself. You could always add a better or external dac at some point. I do like the expanded tone controls of the new preamp.
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May 12, 2013, 10:15 AM #3Senior Member
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
Thanks Joe!
I already have an external Dac with the Anedio D2 so the Dac in the C2500 would be more of a convenience to have it all in one box. I am more interested to know if the C2500 is a C2300 with a Dac or are there improvements in the analog section as well in the C2500.
Originally Posted by joeinid
Paul
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May 31, 2013, 04:36 PM #4Super Moderator
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
Paul,
Any update on the preamp quest? I am curious what you are thinking about.Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
The specs are a bit better on the 2500 versus the 2300. As for myself I would go for the newer product even if you weren't going to use the DAC section.
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
I agree. I just ordered a C2500 to replace my D100.
I don't need the phono sections either but it's nice to have the option down the road. You just never know.Jock
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
Congrats on the new C2500 Jock!! Originally Posted by the professor
It's a smart move IMO..Dewey,
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
+1 Originally Posted by Dewster
Congrats on the new C2500 Jock!!
It's a smart move IMO..
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
Just pulled the trigger on the c2500. Thanks to all for the replies!
Paul
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
Congratulations!
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
+1 Originally Posted by joeinid
How long until you have it?Doug
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
Congrats! Smart move! Originally Posted by Audiophilehi
Just pulled the trigger on the c2500. Thanks to all for the replies!My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
Nice ....your blazing a Trail with the C2500!! .....now if i could sell my C50 i would get the C2500 as well Originally Posted by Audiophilehi
Just pulled the trigger on the c2500. Thanks to all for the replies!
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
Not sure yet. I should now the delivery date in the next day or 2. Originally Posted by dlb2
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
A friend of mine sent me an email yesterday saying that he had A/B'd a C2500 compared to a C2300 and he liked the sound of the C2500 quite a bit better. Before he listened he really thought that there wouldn't be a difference and that the C2300 would probably be better but not as flexible as the C2500. So it was a shock to him.
Way to go Mcintosh
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
Jock & Paul... Congratulations!!! Keep us updated on your new preamps.
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
C2500 to arrive on Tuesday 7/2.
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
Congrats!! I look forward to your impressions. Originally Posted by Audiophilehi
C2500 to arrive on Tuesday 7/2.My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
Looks like some 4th of July celebrating for you. Originally Posted by Audiophilehi
C2500 to arrive on Tuesday 7/2.
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
Perfect timing for the 4th!! Originally Posted by Audiophilehi
C2500 to arrive on Tuesday 7/2.
Dewey,
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Originally Posted by Dewster
Perfect timing for the 4th!! Originally Posted by still-one
Looks like some 4th of July celebrating for you.Yes! Music marathon for 4th of July celebration! I will post my comments as well if I can pull myself away from listening. Originally Posted by Mike
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
Congratulations! I hear the 2500 is even better than the 2300, and the 2300 is a really great preamp. There has been much speculation about whether the dac in the 2500 is the same as in the D100. I doubt it is, others are sure it is. But before you ditch the D100, you should do some comparisons between the two dacs running through the 2500. I'd be very curious as to what your findings are.
You may want to keep the D100 as your dac if it does sound better.--Marc
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
I am a big fan of the 2300. I listened to the 2500 and could not hear any sonic difference. I guess it depends on if you want/need a DAC or not. I am a big fan of just having an analogue pre amp, nothing more. DAC's will improve over time and thus my opinion is to leave that as a separate component. Just my 2 cents. Originally Posted by Audiophilehi
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Re: McIntosh C2300 or C2500
Bump!
Paul any update on the C2500 preamp? Thoughts/opinions?Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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