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    MA-252 inbound

    So I came across a deal that was worth giving one of these a try. My amazing wife said to buy it and keep my other equipment. She is great, I got to say! I may sell some of the other gear depending on how this works out down the road anyway.

    I really wanted to try one of these (McIntosh on the brain growing up on the South Side of Binghamton, shadow of the factory and all). I am so intrigued by the hybrid design. This definitely has the power and features that I need.

    Anyway, this older gentleman (well older then me ) has one that is exactly one month old. He said it has way too much power for his 100 dB speakers and he is going back to a lower powered amp. We communicated back and forth several times and I asked him if I could make an offer. I offered him much lower than he originally asked for but an amount that Cheryal would be happier with. He decided to take it so, dam, McIntosh inbound!

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    Re: MC-252 inbound

    Thanks Joe... (for correcting my typo)
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    Re: MC-252 inbound

    Congratulations. Hope it is everything (and more) that you were expecting.

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    Randy.......Congratulations on a great score. I am confident the MA252 will impress you. I own the very first hybrid integrated amplifier McIntosh ever made, the MA230. In fact it is the very first integrated amplifier McIntosh manufactured. It is a solid state preamp and 30 watt per channel tube power amplifier on the same chassis. The MA230 is 54 years old and still sounds excellent. The MA252 is the opposite of my MA230, yours being a tube preamplifier and solid state power amplifier on a single chassis, but I have no doubt that hybrid design combination will deliver a fabulous performance. I'll be watching for your review.
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    Re: MC-252 inbound

    I think it will be good, but we will see. Diz, Dan, and others, thank you for your input earlier. Always appreciated!

    The bottom line is I do not have to get rid of my other gear immediately, so if it does not do what I need no harm no foul.
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    Randy, congrats on the score!


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    Re: MC-252 inbound

    very nice!! can't wait to hear how sounds in your system and how it compares to the amp8

    this will now give you an excuse to head back to "bing" for a factory tour... followed by a burger and craft beer at the galaxy brewery -- i cannot recommend this itinerary more highly!!
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    I was in Binghamton in August. Unfortunately under difficult circumstances. It was for my dad's passing. I did notice that there was a Speedie festival going on... God I miss Binghamton Speedies... my brother would not stop and let me grab a Speedie sandwich though (I did try to get him to stop) ....

    The last time I was actually at the McIntosh factory was back in the late '90s when I was living in Syracuse and a buddy was buying some gear and I drove him down to pick it up.
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    Re: MA-252 inbound

    Congratulations Randy!

    That’s one of the amps I’d get, it’s superb. You will absolutely love it.
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    I couldn't resist the deal. It is literally one month old. And since I am keeping my other gear (certainly for now), it allows me a chance to really try it out in my system.

    The gentleman and I corresponded back and forth and he seemed to be a real straight shooter. He has already shipped it. Great follow up indeed.
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    I'm not surprised from your comments on recent Mac threads, I knew something Mac would eventually come your way, LOL Enjoy!

    If I have my models correct, some say the 252 doesn't sound as good as larger integrated from Mac due to not having the output transformers However, I heard one at the show driving JBL L100's, the new version, and I thought it to sound good. I may have it and the 352 mixed up.
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    Dam Binghamton boy syndrome . Really looking forward to trying this Amp out .

    I honestly do not understand all the technical aspects of power amps and I am not certain about how this technically compares to the technology used in their other products. I do know that they use ThermalTrak Output Transistors in it, similar to what is used by T+A. I do know that these sound very very good .
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    Re: MA-252 inbound

    Congrats Man, you're gonna live it!!

    Oh and, welcome to the club!

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    How does the 252 sound with Harbeth? First I've personally seen the combo but I'm thinking you could be on to something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    How does the 252 sound with Harbeth? First I've personally seen the combo but I'm thinking you could be on to something.
    To me, it's as if they were made for each other, but of course I'm biased.

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    McIntosh and British speakers have always been a great combo! I think this amp will work well with my KEFs also .
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    Re: MA-252 inbound

    I have no doubt you'll be pleased with that combination.

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    +1

    Can't wait for your thoughts.


    When does it arrive?

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    I have no doubt you'll be pleased with that combination.
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    Probably the end of next week, after Christmas . Belated Christmas present.
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    Man you have been busy building all along in 2019 - good to be happy, why not, right?


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    Congrats Randy! Sounds like a great piece. I think the hybrid will give you the best of both worlds - that tube sound and finesse, with the balls and bass control of a solid state power amp.

    Please let us know your opinion and use it in good health!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post
    Man you have been busy building all along in 2019 - good to be happy, why not, right?
    I am so hoping this does what I want. I really do not need the best of the best, or anything like that. I need something I enjoy. The U-Turn was a good addition not because it is the best sounding, but it does a very nice job and allows me to have fun with vinyl again, and it does sound pretty darn good!

    As most of you know, I have been Jonesing for a McIntosh for a while (dam Bingo boy thing... grrrr), but the cost has been an issue many times, not totally thrilled with the design/shape of many of the used older pieces I see, and really was hoping to find something without their built in DAC. I simply feel that Mc does not offer a DAC as good as what I already have and therefore would be a waste.

    I know that the MA252 in not a high end piece, but I also know the benefits of a tube pre with a SS amp and I know the output transistors being used are top notch (same as in the T+A). Granted it does not have a ton of extra features but when I compare to higher model:

    * Higher model has more power, but I know from my use that 100 WPC of Mc power is way more than enough.
    * 5 band eq versus tones controls... I don't use tone controls so who cares ...
    * Only 1 xlr, 2 rca, and MM inputs... versus two more on higher model... well I like MM cartridges and with my current table I do not envision going into MC. I also have the SimAudio for now if I do. The inputs cover all the basis for me, MM, check, Balanced from DAC, check, two more inputs for Tuner and SACD, check, even though I never spin a disk it is good to have the option just in case.
    * Subwoofer output, NICE, since I do not current have one. Higher model have two... one is fine because I have no place to put a second sub anyway and the ELAC works really good in its corner .
    * Blue meters, that would be cool, but not a reason to spend thousands more ...

    The MA252 checks all the boxes, and coming across a one month old one that I was able to get an amazing deal on really made it a no brainer to me. If I decide not to keep both setups I believe it will be very easy to get my money out, no matter which way I decide...
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    Re: MA-252 inbound

    Many, many hours of listening pleasure with your new amp Randy.
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    The MA252 is a superb integrated. I’m sure you’ll sell everything else in no time, if you’re smart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    The MA252 is a superb integrated. I’m sure you’ll sell everything else in no time, if you’re smart.
    Hehe, we will see how it all works out. As you know the Stage 2 is fantastic, the T+A Amp is also amazing. I am not sure the rest of my system allows me to truly appreciates the subtleties of this preamp and amp. I just think a more simplified approach may be better for me as Cheryal and I start zeroing in on retirement!
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    It's here, its here!
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    OMG!


    Soooooooooooooooo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    It's here, its here!
    Yay, just in time for the new year!

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    Well I did a massive re-wire, re-setup of the system. Pain in the you know what.... Listened for a few hours last night. I can say I really like the look and feel of the unit. The look and feel factor along with the warm and fuzzy factor seem like it is a big thumbs up.

    The sound factor I would say is too early to tell, but I also feel it sounds real good. Maybe my ears are not that discriminating any more but I don't really hear much of a difference. It may be that my setup, speakers, room, etc., is just not refined enough to appreciate the subtle differences in my other gear. The McIntosh does use the same output transistors as the T+A, so I did not expect a huge performance gap.

    So far I am enjoying it but will take a few days to really make sure.
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    Congratulations Randy.
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    Randy, if it sounds good to you...it is good! And that's all that matters. I happen to like the retro looks of Mc stuff. I've only auditioned one Mc integrated amp and I thought it sounded great. Can't recall the model but it wasn't the MA 252. It didn't have the exposed tubes and I think it was all SS. Perhaps an MA 8000? Anyway, I'd be proud to own a Mc. As a side, I also auditioned an ARC VSi75 (with the KT 150 power tubes, not the KT 120s) that same day and it sounded superb. But, going strictly on reviews and forum comments, the MA 252 sounds like a great integrated. Congrats on a great score!

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    Thank you everyone. So far I am really loving the operation of this integrated amp. Its simplistic approach is exactly what I like, but it does have enough fun stuff, such as the green glow from the tubes and re-naming the inputs... they now display; Digital, Vinyl, CD/SACD, and Tuner!

    I really like the look and feel of the unit, and of course the nice large McIntosh on the front (sorry, my Binghamton boy coming through , I loved seeing 2 Chamber St, Binghamton, NY on the box).

    A subwoofer output was also critical for me.

    So far I am enjoying the sound performance of the amp. I am hoping to give it some good solid listening today. With a few hours listening last evening I was impressed. The gentleman that I purchased it from stated that it was probably not broken in yet. I believe he is probably right. So far, the enjoyment factor is extremely high. We will see if that continues...
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    Congratulations Randy! Enjoy MA-252 inbound
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    ...So far, the enjoyment factor is extremely high. We will see if that continues...
    Trust me, it will.

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    The MA252 definitely sounds different then the W4S/T+A combo, more or less in the subtle things. The W4S/T+A is more detailed, maybe a bit faster and more dynamic. The Mc has a rich inviting vocal range, is very smooth and great control over the bottom end. I attribute most of what I am hearing to a tube versus passive pre.

    Both are very good inviting sounding systems. I think if I had a higher level in my other components the advantages to the W4S/T+A combo might very well win out. But at the level I'm at, and comfortable with, the warm fuzzy good feelings I am getting from the McIntosh will probably win out!
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    Another quick observation; this has got to be the coolest running amplifier I have ever encountered. It has been playing all day, sometimes pushed harder then I normally would. There is virtually no heat near the tubes. I mean I can actually hold my hand on the little tube cages and feel almost nothing. The heat sinks are cooler then the T+A DAC. Pretty amazing actually.
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    Randy,

    The MA252 is one of the handful of McIntosh amps I could easily live with long term. It’s a superb performer. It’s like a comfortable pair of slippers and does so much right. I think it’ll continue to grow on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Randy,

    The MA252 is one of the handful of McIntosh amps I could easily live with long term. It’s a superb performer. It’s like a comfortable pair of slippers and does so much right. I think it’ll continue to grow on you.
    I got to agree, so far. Good explanation, it is just comfortable! The W4S/T+A combo is probably a bit higher performance, but this just feels so right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    I got to agree, so far. Good explanation, it is just comfortable! The W4S/T+A combo is probably a bit higher performance, but this just feels so right!

    How would you describe the synergy with KEF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdp632 View Post
    How would you describe the synergy with KEF?
    I truly don't know how to describe that. It seems like the MA252 controls the four bass drivers very well. McIntosh has always seemed to match very well with British speakers in my view! They almost seem like they are made for each other but so did the T+A. German manufactures and McIntosh seem to both work well with British and German speakers .

    I know, way too generalized .
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    Congratulations Randy and welcome home

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    Quote Originally Posted by crwilli View Post
    Congratulations Randy and welcome home
    Thank you sir. I am really enjoying this amplifier!

    I am still surprised how cool running this sucker is. I mean running all day and I can place my hands on the tube cages and feel almost no heat. The heat sinks are not even warm... None of the amplifiers I have had run so cool as this McIntosh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    ...I am still surprised how cool running this sucker is. I mean running all day and I can place my hands on the tube cages and feel almost no heat. The heat sinks are not even warm... None of the amplifiers I have had run so cool as this McIntosh!
    And that's why they last forever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubes View Post
    And that's why they last forever!
    Nice...
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    I like the look without the little tube cages... the cages serve no purpose other than looks. It is not like you can get burned from these. I have never seen cooler running tubes. Literally barely warm!

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    I have been playing around comparing phone stages. The built in McIntosh is very good but I think the SimAudio is a little better! Since I do not ever spin a silver disk (always rip them) I decided to keep the SimAudio attached instead of the Oppo. I turned off the phone input and renamed the other unbalanced input to Vinyl. A bit of a pain to do but when it is set there is no reason to play further .
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    Randy, it's really been fun reading your posts about your experiences with the MA252. Sounds like a real keeper to me.
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    The MA252 sure does make life simple. Great sound just makes it a winner!
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    I agree, the MA252 really makes things easier and it sounds fantastic!

    The other night I compared the built in phono stage with the external SimAudio again. Even though the built in is very good the SimAudio is very special. When I tried the McIntosh built in again, after having the SimAudio hooked up for a couple of weeks it sounded rather dry; I wouldn't say lifeless but certainly without that spark that grabs ya. I hooked the SimAudio again and it was amazing how evident the difference was. Dynamic, very alive sounding, open, more depth. I was surprised at how big of a difference I heard actually .

    So the McInotsh MA252 with the external SimAudio phono stage is definitely a winner!
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