Magico Pricing

**SCAudiophile** · Yesterday, 04:50 PM

It seems you are assuming and yourself judging what I meant.

I was stating an opinion from my own experience, including the myriad moments in my own life and this hobby

where I have done exactly what I have written.

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**MichaelsMinute** · Yesterday, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by SCAudiophile

It seems you are assuming and yourself judging what I meant.

I was stating an opinion from my own experience, including the myriad moments in my own life and this hobby

where I have done exactly what I have written.

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You must have missed the part where I said my post was not aimed at you but was a comment in general.

**SCAudiophile** · Yesterday, 05:23 PM

Sorry....yes I did.

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**MichaelsMinute** · Yesterday, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by SCAudiophile

Sorry....yes I did.

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No worries - all good.

**Shadowfax** · Yesterday, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute

And that is there right to pay what ever they want, even if others think they spent too much. Who are we to judge how they spend their own money?

I would't spend $120K on a car when a Honda or Toyota will get people to the same place just as fine. But I don't judge people who for for they choose to spend their money or what makes them happy.

I wouldn't spend $100 for a steak at a steak house when I can cook one just as good and pay $25 for it from Costco. Again, I won't judge them for it or call it a 'rip off'. People sure do waste a lot of time and energy being mad about how other people choose to spend their money (not aimed at you).

Yeah now ask what watch everyone is wearing. Same deal, a $25 Timex tells the same time as a $20K Rolex, but some people have the need to say "I have a Rolex" It is no different with every other luxury item out there including audio.

**Porsche** · Yesterday, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Shadowfax

Yeah now ask what watch everyone is wearing. Same deal, a $25 Timex tells the same time as a $20K Rolex, but some people have the need to say "I have a Rolex" It is no different with every other luxury item out there including audio.

so I guess everyone should work there whole life and not enjoy the fruit of there labor, gotcha

**XV-1** · Today, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by brodricj

A2A also took Siltech, Crystal Cable and Pillium from him. Against that he's picked up Bladelius. BTW I'm really happy with Bladelius, it's proving to be a very good pairing with M3. Basically the Bladelius ASK has taken over from my seven box Esoteric Grandioso stack.

Yeah, as I said the distribution mode has changed with the new distributor. A2A bought a sea container of everything from Magico, including M9. That must have been a $2M order. Prices went up, despite shipping cost going down (Magico use to be air freighted to order, now by sea freight and one of everything kept in stock).

That is obviously how they got the agency - bought a lot of kit up front.

They also bought a lot of kit from Naim and Focal, which I guess they didn't sell all of - hence Naim Statement amps and 40% off and Focal Grant Utopia @ 180k off retail - everyone is moaning that it's trashing the brand - probably overpriced to start with - but definitely the best Naim and Focal pricing available globally at this point.

**Shadowfax** · Today, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Porsche

so I guess everyone should work there whole life and not enjoy the fruit of there labor, gotcha

That is not at all what I said. I was just pointing out that we have the same issue with all luxury items AND how different people feel about them. On another site, Vintage Majority usually tells anyone who asks not to buy new because vintage is better and cheaper. Then those same people post all their expensive watches in another thread. It's all about priorities and for some status.

And although my opinion is that there are many things way over priced, they will always remain that way as long as people buy them, and they will. I don't think the Manufacturer is Ripping anyone off because as said above, nobody is holding a gun to your head to purchase said item. But in reality, there are CEOs making what their employees make in a year, in a day or a week. That is pure Capitalism, Legal yet Immoral. Greed!

**mep** · Today, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Shadowfax

That is not at all what I said. I was just pointing out that we have the same issue with all luxury items AND how different people feel about them. On another site, Vintage Majority usually tells anyone who asks not to buy new because vintage is better and cheaper. Then those same people post all their expensive watches in another thread. It's all about priorities and for some status.

And although my opinion is that there are many things way over priced, they will always remain that way as long as people buy them, and they will. I don't think the Manufacturer is Ripping anyone off because as said above, nobody is holding a gun to your head to purchase said item. But in reality, there are CEOs making what their employees make in a year, in a day or a week. That is pure Capitalism, Legal yet Immoral. Greed!

This is the second time now in this thread you have called Capitalism immoral. Keep it up, you are sounding like a socialist every time you make that statement and you are trying to turn this thread into political posturing.

**Porsche** · Today, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by mep

This is the second time now in this thread you have called Capitalism immoral. Keep it up, you are sounding like a socialist every time you make that statement and you are trying to turn this thread into political posturing.

exactly

**Shadowfax** · Today, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by mep

This is the second time now in this thread you have called Capitalism immoral. Keep it up, you are sounding like a socialist every time you make that statement and you are trying to turn this thread into political posturing.

Morality has nothing to do with politics, or does it in your case? Only you have brought up politics. Capitalism can be and is a good thing because it allows for other than state run businesses. It just isn't right when a CEO makes a 1000 times more than the people doing the work. If we don't agree, fine, that is what makes the world go round.

**SCAudiophile** · Today, 10:03 AM

I find it ironic that anyone in high end audio and probably having other nice expensive "toys" and possessions, a nice house in a desirable place with the freedom to post whatever they like would intimate or flat out assert that Capitalism is immoral!

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**SCAudiophile** · Today, 10:07 AM

There also seems to be a recurring assertion by some that a price is not a rip-off if someone chooses not to pay it. A price on something can still be a rip off in and of itself. The person electing not to pay it is a separate circumstance. These two topics are being conflated incorrectly, IMHO.

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**Shadowfax** · Today, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by SCAudiophile

I find it ironic that anyone in high end audio and probably having other nice expensive "toys" and possessions, a nice house in a desirable place with the freedom to post whatever they like would intimate or flat out assert that Capitalism is immoral!

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Let me revise a little bit, "Can be"

**SCAudiophile** · Today, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Shadowfax

Let me revise a little bit, "Can be"

Humans certainly can be....regardless of inanimate (non-human) economic system.

**kzhtoo** · Today, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by SCAudiophile

There also seems to be a recurring assertion by some that a price is not a rip-off if someone chooses not to pay it. A price on something can still be a rip off in and of itself. The person electing not to pay it is a separate circumstance. These two facts are being conflated incorrectly IMHO.

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this! Just because no one is pointing a gun to your face, it doesn’t mean something isn’t a rip-off.

**the professor** · Today, 11:15 AM

Exactly

Con artists rip people all the time - and just because somebody falls for it doesn't subtract from the fact it's a rip off.

IN NO WAY am I saying that Magico is a rip off. I only say this in this thread because it's so far away from its original topic.

**Mike** · Today, 11:18 AM

The ongoing effects of runaway inflation are causing a distortion in our price perception.

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**SCAudiophile** · Today, 01:31 PM

"IN NO WAY am I saying that Magico is a rip off. I only say this in this thread because it's so far away from its original topic."

Good point, same here for my posts, not implying Magico pricing is a rip-off.

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**MichaelsMinute** · Today, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

The ongoing effects of runaway inflation are causing a distortion in our price perception.

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Stop using facts and logic. You should know better than to try and do that.

**mep** · Today, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by kzhtoo

this! Just because no one is pointing a gun to your face, it doesn’t mean something isn’t a rip-off.

There's a difference between saying a price for a commodity is a rip off vice saying you bought something and were ripped off as a result of your purchase.

**Shadowfax** · Today, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

The ongoing effects of runaway inflation are causing a distortion in our price perception.

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This timely post came up in a thread on another forum I am following.

Post-Gotta love inflation

Reply-which is very often just price gouging.

**SCAudiophile** · Today, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

The ongoing effects of runaway inflation are causing a distortion in our price perception.

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It's not all "perception". It is true that inflation has run up and costs have increased bringing them legitimate needs to increase prices. By the same token,
you cannot convince me that all these audio and speaker manufacturers (cables, etc..) just so happen to design and build amps, others components, speakers
whose price increases purportedly due to these factors happen such that they all result in eye-popping big jumps in prices into the same or eerily similar price bands.

I will stay away from naming brand and model names as this seems to be happening across the industry all under the guise of inflation/costs/"CODB"/etc however
I believe I've noticed more than a few examples of "unnatural gymnastics" with some interesting coincidences happening in product range and price ladders out there
with special attention paid toward speakers and amps & preamps in particular.

**Mike** · Today, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by SCAudiophile

It's not all "perception". It is true that inflation has run up and costs have increased bringing them legitimate needs to increase prices. By the same token,
you cannot convince me that all these audio and speaker manufacturers (cables, etc..) just so happen to design and build amps, others components, speakers
whose price increases purportedly due to these factors happen such that they all result in eye-popping big jumps in prices into the same or eerily similar price bands.

I will stay away from naming brand and model names as this seems to be happening across the industry all under the guise of inflation/costs/"CODB"/etc however
I believe I've noticed more than a few examples of "unnatural gymnastics" with some interesting coincidences happening in product range and price ladders out there
with special attention paid toward speakers and amps & preamps in particular.

Cables I’ll leave alone. But generally, everything is affected by inflation. Everything. The bulk dog food we buy was always $99. For years. It’s now $140. It went $120, $130, $140. Inflation is the biggest middle class tax. Look at the price of a dozen eggs. Everything is affected. Have you priced a pool lately? Insane.

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**SCAudiophile** · Today, 05:29 PM

Pricing a pool (or the house with it) is enough to make ya want to go jump in the lake

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Though I'm a properly rabid audionut with respect to cables, we can definitely agree to leave cables out of this

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**crwilli** · Today, 06:10 PM

In the eyes of this observer, this thread seems to have run its course.

Summary:

Magico has raised prices.

**SCAudiophile** · Today, 06:28 PM

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