Magico M6

**Mike** · June 21, 2017, 11:50 AM

After seeing this speaker in person, I'm having a hard time getting it out of my head.

There are no straight lines anywhere. Seeing the stand in person really proves the pictures don't do it justice. When you look at the speaker face on, it has this gorgeous sculptured look. From every angle, it is just simply gorgeous.

Do I want a pair? F'ING HELL YES!

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**Alpinist** · June 21, 2017, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

It's funny, all this talk of carbon fiber and NO ONE talks about the sound. That's the thing I noticed. It sounds different, and to my ears, grrrrrreat!

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Mike,

Carbon fiber is a wonderful material from which to build a speaker cabinet. Extremely strong, stiff and light with excellent damping characteristics. Furthermore, you can tune the cabinet by varying the layup. They are already do this with carbon fiber guitars and can pretty much achieve any sound they desire. Before you dismiss them, take a look at this website, they really sound musical to my ears after hearing them a few times.

http://www.rainsong.com/guitars.html

Best,
Ken

**Melbguy1** · June 21, 2017, 12:29 PM

I wonder how much quan the S5 Mk2 would be if it was made with the M6's carbon monocoque cabinet & tripod support, but the same drivers & x-over? I'm guessing atleast $85k

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**kkfan** · June 21, 2017, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

After seeing this speaker in person, I'm having a hard time getting it out of my head.

There are no straight lines anywhere. Seeing the stand in person really proves the pictures don't do it justice. When you look at the speaker face on, it has this gorgeous sculptured look. From every angle, it is just simply gorgeous.

Do I want a pair? F'ING HELL YES!

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Did you not get to hear the M6?

**Mike** · June 21, 2017, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by kkfan

Did you not get to hear the M6?

No. They are still fine tuning the crossovers.

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**Alpinist** · June 21, 2017, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

No. They are still fine tuning the crossovers.

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Alon won't play the M6 publicly until they are absolutely perfect. Then they will blow everyone over. He learned his lesson with the S7 prototype.

Ken

**Mike** · June 21, 2017, 02:30 PM

I was amazed to learn the Magico listening/testing room has a noise floor of 23db. Wow. You can really hear what the speakers are doing without added room influences. Much better than someone's living room!

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**The Sandman** · June 21, 2017, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

I was amazed to learn the Magico listening/testing room has a noise floor of 23db. Wow. You can really hear what the speakers are doing without added room influences. Much better than someone's living room!

How much did it cost to achieve that?

**Mike** · June 21, 2017, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by The Sandman

How much did it cost to achieve that?

$300k

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**The Sandman** · June 21, 2017, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

$300k

Not unreasonable for the result achieved.

**Tony007** · June 21, 2017, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

I was amazed to learn the Magico listening/testing room has a noise floor of 23db. Wow. You can really hear what the speakers are doing without added room influences. Much better than someone's living room!

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When everything is off like a/c, fridge, etc my room is 32db and it seems really quiet when listening to the syst. But gosh damn, that 23 db must be insane!!!

**kkfan** · June 21, 2017, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

I was amazed to learn the Magico listening/testing room has a noise floor of 23db. Wow. You can really hear what the speakers are doing without added room influences. Much better than someone's living room!

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Wow!

That's amazing!

The room, after all, is the most significant component in an audio system.

**Mike** · June 21, 2017, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Tony007

When everything is off like a/c, fridge, etc my room is 32db and it seems really quiet when listening to the syst. But gosh damn, that 23 db must be insane!!!

Alon explained the importance of achieving this amazing low noise floor for him for voicing speakers.

The one thing you learn is that Magico never cuts corners on anything. They measure, listen, verify, repeat.

We got to compare stock components which many companies use vs Magico parts (drivers, crossover, parts within the crossover, etc). Suffice it to say, it was shocking differences. Like comparing parts of a Ferrari Formula One car to a Kia. For example, Magico uses Neodymium magnets on many of its drivers whereas some competitors use ferrite magnet drivers exclusively. Picking up (or trying to pick up) Neodymium magnet driver was shocking compared to a Parts Express stock ferrite magnet driver was night and day. And when you examine the parts that go into the Graphene Nanotech drivers and just how exclusive (and expensive) these are and you compare vs the break up point of competitor/stock drivers you see how Magico is really pushing the leading edge - continually.

Magico is usually looking to Aerospace and Defense type products for pushing the R&D and material envelopes. I mean, they are literally using products that were designed for submarines! So cool!

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**kkfan** · June 21, 2017, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Alon explained the importance of achieving this amazing low noise floor for him for voicing speakers.

Do you know whether the low noise floor was achieved through special construction or purely with room treatments or a combination of construction and treatment ?

**Mike** · June 21, 2017, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by kkfan

Do you know whether the low noise floor was achieved through special construction or purely with room treatments or a combination of construction and treatment ?

All of the above, including 5 inch thick walls, special treatment inside the walls, attention to ceiling and floor, etc. it's a room within a room.

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**PeterA** · June 22, 2017, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

After seeing this speaker in person, I'm having a hard time getting it out of my head.

There are no straight lines anywhere. Seeing the stand in person really proves the pictures don't do it justice. When you look at the speaker face on, it has this gorgeous sculptured look. From every angle, it is just simply gorgeous.

Do I want a pair? F'ING HELL YES!

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Mike, thanks for the report. But the edge of the baffle is certainly a strait line and very visible in the photographs. With all the attention to curves, I wonder why the three outrigger supports to the footers don't have curved edges. The bottom plate is curved, supposedly for acoustic reasons. Otherwise, I agree, it is gorgeous looking from the photos.

I have been to the Magico listening room. It is indeed incredible, and the folks are very friendly. It must be a great place to work.

**Mike** · June 22, 2017, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by PeterA

Mike, thanks for the report. But the edge of the baffle is certainly a strait line and very visible in the photographs. With all the attention to curves, I wonder why the three outrigger supports to the footers don't have curved edges. The bottom plate is curved, supposedly for acoustic reasons. Otherwise, I agree, it is gorgeous looking from the photos.

I have been to the Magico listening room. It is indeed incredible, and the folks are very friendly. It must be a great place to work.

Hmmm...I don't see what you're saying when I look now and when you see them in person, the baffle is also ever so slightly curved (concave?) and this is what they told us. In fact, special (expensive) machinery was required.

As for the outrigger feet, they do have curved edges at the tips. Maybe it's not super clear in the pics. That's the first thing I noticed is how the pictures don't do the feet justice.

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**Mike** · June 22, 2017, 09:00 AM

For reference purposes.

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**PeterA** · June 22, 2017, 09:12 AM

If you look at the edges of the carbon fiber side panel, are not the front and back edges straight lines? Yes, the top and bottom edges are curved when viewed off axis because the side panel is curved. What about the side and bottom edges of the front baffle, or the the side edges of the rear metal plate where the different materials meet?

Though I agree, if viewed as a solid object and ignoring the seams, there are no straight edges. It is very impressive and quite a beautiful design.

**Melbguy1** · June 22, 2017, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

For reference purposes.

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Dont you mean audio porn purposes?

**GSOphile** · June 22, 2017, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Alon explained the importance of achieving this amazing low noise floor for him for voicing speakers.

The one thing you learn is that Magico never cuts corners on anything. They measure, listen, verify, repeat.

We got to compare stock components which many companies use vs Magico parts (drivers, crossover, parts within the crossover, etc). Suffice it to say, it was shocking differences. Like comparing parts of a Ferrari Formula One car to a Kia. For example, Magico uses Neodymium magnets on many of its drivers whereas some competitors use ferrite magnet drivers exclusively. Picking up (or trying to pick up) Neodymium magnet driver was shocking compared to a Parts Express stock ferrite magnet driver was night and day. And when you examine the parts that go into the Graphene Nanotech drivers and just how exclusive (and expensive) these are and you compare vs the break up point of competitor/stock drivers you see how Magico is really pushing the leading edge - continually.

Magico is usually looking to Aerospace and Defense type products for pushing the R&D and material envelopes. I mean, they are literally using products that were designed for submarines! So cool!

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Thanks. Great insights, especially for those of us who've never been there.

**Mike** · June 22, 2017, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by PeterA

If you look at the edges of the carbon fiber side panel, are not the front and back edges straight lines? Yes, the top and bottom edges are curved when viewed off axis because the side panel is curved. What about the side and bottom edges of the front baffle, or the the side edges of the rear metal plate where the different materials meet?

Though I agree, if viewed as a solid object and ignoring the seams, there are no straight edges. It is very impressive and quite a beautiful design.

No they are curved ever so slightly in a concave manner. All curved. Gorgeous. When you see it in person you won't believe it.

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**Alpinist** · June 22, 2017, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

No they are curved ever so slightly in a concave manner. All curved. Gorgeous. When you see it in person you won't believe it.

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Hi Mike,

I agree that every surface on the M6 appears to have an outward sloping curve to it. I believe that is convex, not concave, which is an inward sloping curve.

Best,
Ken

**Tony007** · June 22, 2017, 04:34 PM

Sides of M6 are convex and front baffle is slightly concave.

This is surely going to make it difficult to align the speakers evenly.

**PeterA** · June 22, 2017, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Tony007

Sides of M6 are convex and front baffle is slightly concave.

This is surely going to make it difficult to align the speakers evenly.

Same with the M Pro. It's hard to find a flat surface against which to place the laser pointer for equal alignment. I put a straight edge along the inside outrigger/footers to establish a flat surface and then put my laser pointer along the straight edge to match toe in for each speaker at a friend's house. It helped tremendously. One could also make up a jig over the top to establish a reference point. I wonder if anyone has discussed this toe in matching issue with Magico.

**Melbguy1** · June 23, 2017, 04:17 AM

**Tony007** · June 23, 2017, 04:01 PM

I know it's a bit early, but interest in the M-Project was strong early out.

Anyone here considering M6?

**PeterA** · June 23, 2017, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Tony007

I know it's a bit early, but interest in the M-Project was strong early out.

Anyone here considering M6?

What is the projected price? $175K or something? How many speakers are out there in that price range?

**Mike** · June 24, 2017, 12:14 PM

The massive M6 backplate with the rough cut complete, ready for the finish pass in the machine.

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**PeterA** · June 24, 2017, 12:30 PM

Wow, that is massive. Very interesting photo, thanks Mike. Are the two long edges curved creating either a convex or concave backplate? It is hard to tell from the photo. The photo makes it look wider in the middle and narrower at the top and bottom, but that may just be camera lens distortion. I don't know if I will ever see one of these in the flesh, so to speak, unless my friend upgrades his M Pro.

**brodricj** · June 24, 2017, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Tony007

...Anyone here considering M6?

It occupies every minute of my day in consideration, but I still can't afford it.

M3 is also a financial struggle, but I'll get there eventually.

**Mike** · June 29, 2017, 07:45 AM

https://youtu.be/F-7vHglcUmo

**Melbguy1** · June 29, 2017, 08:34 AM

You beat me to it!

**Alpinist** · June 29, 2017, 08:40 AM

Is Magico planning on building an M8 to replace the Q7 Mk2?

Ken

**Mike** · July 19, 2017, 04:36 PM

https://youtu.be/kUQScP210Aw

**Melbguy1** · August 3, 2017, 05:20 AM

Nice rear end

**Golum** · August 3, 2017, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Melbguy1

Nice rear end

I kind of still prefer the rear end of my wife, but have to agree with you that this one is also nice

**Boggy** · August 4, 2017, 08:14 PM

Does anyone know what Magico will be showing at the upcoming Hong Kong Audio Show next week?

**XV-1** · August 4, 2017, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Boggy

Does anyone know what Magico will be showing at the upcoming Hong Kong Audio Show next week?

I really hope the M series. M6 would be awesome. The Radar room is huge so fingers crossed.

Last year HK had only the S series playing. I had to go to a dealer to listen to the Q5 which was really good sound.

**brodricj** · August 4, 2017, 10:27 PM

Radar usually have one of everything in their Causeway Bay Demo rooms 1 & 2. Hard to imagine a production ready M6 wouldn't be on show.

**XV-1** · August 5, 2017, 01:08 AM

Yea, that's where I went last year to listen to the Q5's. Excellent store, as was hmv with used vinyl as well as new.

**brodricj** · August 5, 2017, 01:13 AM

Hong Kong is a crazy market. Radar sell a lot of Magico. They even had M-Pro on demo in Showroom 1. I think they sold 7 pairs of M-Pro out of 50 pairs built.

**brodricj** · August 5, 2017, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by Boggy

Does anyone know what Magico will be showing at the upcoming Hong Kong Audio Show next week?

M3 will be there. M6 will not.

**Boggy** · September 15, 2017, 02:57 AM

Just wondering when Magico will start shipping the M6es

**Mike** · September 15, 2017, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by Boggy

Just wondering when Magico will start shipping the M6es

The new year.

**XV-1** · September 15, 2017, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by brodricj

Hong Kong is a crazy market. Radar sell a lot of Magico. They even had M-Pro on demo in Showroom 1. I think they sold 7 pairs of M-Pro out of 50 pairs built.

They said the sold around 120 Gryphon Diablo 120's last year. Crazy numbers.

**Boggy** · September 15, 2017, 07:38 AM

I see. Looks like there is some delay. Thanks Mike!

Originally Posted by Mike

The new year.

**Mike** · September 15, 2017, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Boggy

I see. Looks like there is some delay. Thanks Mike!

There will be a pair available making a road show around the world in the fall, but after RMAF. The M6's will not be at RMAF. Magico had planned to show at the hotel across the street again, but the hotel was sold and the new hotel owners weren't interested in continuing the tradition. Magico will be showing a variety of S series speakers in 3 or 4 rooms at RMAF however.

**Kuoppis** · September 15, 2017, 09:29 AM

Mike, are you planning for a pair in the store?

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**Mike** · September 15, 2017, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Kuoppis

Mike, are you planning for a pair in the store?

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No plans at this time. I have M3's, S5 mk2's and S3 mk2's. I may get one more pair, but not sure what. I would love the M6's...

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