Magico M2

calloway said:
Magico seems to come out with a new speaker every 6 months or so that makes a previous model un sellable.....Just my thoughts...
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I believe that was the case at the very begining, when they introduced a few models in close intervals. If I recall correctly, they have rolled the Q5s just 2 years after the M5s for example.

They have been bashed on the forums for doing this (not by their customers, btw), which I think made them reconsider their product launch schedule. They seem to stick to 4-5 year production cycles nowadays, which is no different to what Wilson or B&W does nowadays.
 
Mike said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ngq_TZ0Qb-g&feature=youtu.be


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Fascinating, Mike. Thanks for posting this link. I am reminded of how the new generation of super performance sailboat hulls are being made.

I recently heard the M2s and examined the cabinets quite closely. I was curious to see that the carbon fiber sides are recessed slighly inside the aluminum top, front, bottom and back plates by a roughly 1/8" reveal. I wonder why that is. I think the M Pro's sides are perfectly flush with the curved aluminum plates. The effect on the M2 creates a shadow line all around the four edges.
 
Thats very cool. In a former hobby/work-life I assisted a guy building a Glasair III. I've work with wet layup parts vacuum bagged in a negative molds. prepreg composites like Magico uses that are post-cured in an autoclave was SOTA back when I was involved with it. Prepregs are more commonplace now albeit still a costly endeavor for a small manufacturer.
 
Mike said:
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It is interesting that Magico prices keep increasing, while construction of the speakers becomes simpler. Previous models used to have an elaborate internal bracing system to make the cabinets less inert, the M2 less so.
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Is it possible the Q1's didn't have enough power? It's something I recently noticed - the best way I can describe it is a "jump to attention". No doubt in my mind that the big pass monos are helping the Q3's disappear (room differences aside).

Regarding the pricing vs. complexity of manufacturing...not trying to get into a big back and forth about magico pricing but I reckon other than usual high pricing the r&d behind a new enclosure (let alone full speaker) is an expensive venture and that cost gets amortized accross units.
 
Kuoppis said:
It is interesting that Magico prices keep increasing, while construction of the speakers becomes simpler. Previous models used to have an elaborate internal bracing system to make the cabinets less inert, the M2 less so.
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The old Magicos were built from aluminium panels, so needed a tons of bolts and crates to put everything together. The new M2 and M6 are built as CF monococques.

The CF monococque is much stiffer than aluminium, offers more structural rigidity, has more internal dampening and allows the enclosure to be curved, which minimises internal standing waves.

It is all around a much more advanced design.
 
brodricj said:
I thought a contractor in Canada built all the CF parts, or was that just the M3 side panels?
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AFAIR they have outsourced M6 CF monocoque manufacture to Canada, since no company in the US they contacted was able to build such a big CF piece. They did not have those problems with the M3 side panels, which are a) smaller, b) separate.

No idea where M2 CF monocoque is made.
 
Elberoth said:
The old Magicos were built from aluminium panels, so needed a tons of bolts and crates to put everything together. The new M2 and M6 are built as CF monococques.

The CF monococque is much stiffer than aluminium, offers more structural rigidity, has more internal dampening and allows the enclosure to be curved, which minimises internal standing waves.

It is all around a much more advanced design.
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That’s a bit of a simplification, Adam. Something assembled from many pieces, like the Q7 or Q5, might need a structure to hold it together.

But the M2 and S5 are assembled from a similar amount of pieces, altogether only a few. Side panels, back panel, and front with internal aluminum front panel, baffle etc. The aluminum side panels are very stiff, and don’t as such require any more support than the carbon fibre plates do. It’s not like you could bend 1/2 inch thick aluminum side panels or something. Yet the internal support structure in the M2 is less elaborate. Magico has just decided to build the speakers in a simpler way. At the same time they increase the price. That’s all I’m saying.


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Kuoppis said:
Magico has just decided to build the speakers in a simpler way. At the same time they increase the price. That’s all I’m saying.
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Manufacturers consistently look to simplify manufacturing processes for a variety of benefits including lower costs, better reproducibility and consistency, etc. And over time they consistently look to raise prices, not lower them. Where do we see manufacturers of luxury goods lowering their prices over time??

The typical cycle is more of seeing them improve quality . . . and raise prices. I'm glad that Magico has continued to improve quality.
 
Bart001 said:
The typical cycle is more of seeing them improve quality . . . and raise prices. I'm glad that Magico has continued to improve quality.
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Not entirely sure where and how reduction in internal bracing improves quality...

But it is a simplification in the manufacturing approach, which was my original argument.

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Kuoppis said:
Not entirely sure where and how reduction in internal bracing improves quality...

But it is a simplification in the manufacturing approach, which was my original argument.

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Interesting that you see it that way.
Isn’t the A series construction is similar to the Q, for a lot less money?
A curved sidewall will be stiffer then a straight one, it will need less bracing.
I very much doubt it is any simpler or more economical building a 1/2” thick CF monocoque enclosure instead of machining a square box from aluminum. CF works at that caliber is difficult and expensive to make (Look at WB prices). Just getting the finish right will be a nightmare. These are better enclosures than the Q (or the A), and I am pretty sure more expensive to make.
 
LVB said:
Interesting that you see it that way.
Isn’t the A series construction is similar to the Q, for a lot less money?
A curved side wall will be stiffer then a strait one, it will need less bracing.
I very much doubt it is any simpler or more economical building a 1/2” thick CF monocoque enclosure instead of machining a square box from aluminum. CF works at that caliber is difficult and expensive to make (Just look at WB prices). Just getting the finish right will be a nightmare. These are a better enclosure then the Q (or the A) , and I am pretty sure more expensive to make.
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Not making any statements about what is costlier to manufacture. Just saying Magico is forfeiting their signature internal bracing construction in the M2.

Comparison was between S5 and M2, both have curved side panels.


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Kuoppis said:
Not making any statements about what is costlier to manufacture. Just saying Magico is forfeiting their signature internal bracing construction in the M2.

Comparison was between S5 and M2, both have curved side panels.


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Agree, but judging by the results, they seem to know why.
 
Kuoppis said:
Not making any statements about what is costlier to manufacture. Just saying Magico is forfeiting their signature internal bracing construction in the M2.

Comparison was between S5 and M2, both have curved side panels.





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First I have heard that Magico's "signature" is their older internal bracing manufacture. I look at it as older technique that doesn't sound as good....
 
Their still current top-of-the-line Q7 mk2 still uses that approach. That speaker was advertised having 600 screws to hold the structure together.

If it suddenly is not the bees knees anymore, I wonder when will Magico drop diamond coating, graphene, carbon fiber, and curved front baffles. Maybe it is all just marketing BS for hype-hungry audiophiles?


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