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February 14, 2019, 10:36 AM #101
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February 14, 2019, 11:19 AM #102
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There is an excellent used pair of Q3s available on Audiogon right now. Perhaps not as good as the M2 or M3, but they are far less expensive and remain an extremely capable speaker.
Link to my system thread: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threa...l-sound.32867/
Analog: Micro Seiki SX 8000 II, 2 NOS SME 3012R tonearms, 2 vdH Colibri Grand Cru, Colibri XPP
Electronics: Lamm LP2.1 Deluxe, Lamm LL1.1 Signature, Lamm ML2
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February 21, 2019, 06:01 AM #103
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And there is an excellent used pair of Q3 available on eBay right now, and cheaper than either pair on Audiogon.
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February 21, 2019, 08:57 AM #104
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That looks like the pair from Australia. It was also posted on Audiogon. The other pair is in Cyprus. I have a friend who is looking for a pair but wants to buy from the USA. It's interesting that there are two pairs of M3s for sale already at about the same price as a pair of M2s.
Also interesting is that the S5 mk2 is selling for about the same as a Q3.Link to my system thread: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threa...l-sound.32867/
Analog: Micro Seiki SX 8000 II, 2 NOS SME 3012R tonearms, 2 vdH Colibri Grand Cru, Colibri XPP
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Speakers: Vitavox CN-191 corner horns
Cables: Stock SME phono cables, DIY ICs and speaker cables, Ching Cheng power cords, custom rack and amp stands
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February 21, 2019, 09:05 AM #105
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Having sold and bought hi-end gear across 6 continents (no audiophiles from Antarctica so far) I really can't understand this.
Pay the seller from Australia to ship the speakers to Magico (should be around $1500-2000). Let Magico check out the speakers and confirm delivery. Wire the rest of the funds to the seller from Australia, let Magico ship the speakers to you.
Problem solved. You just bought the cheapest pair of Q3, with a clean bill of health from Magico.Adam
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February 21, 2019, 09:22 AM #106
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Yes, that makes perfect sense to me. Those shipping charges will cut into the seller's price or add to the buyer's cost. I bought my pair of Q3s from a local friend, but the speakers were being checked out by Magico and were shipped to me from the factory, and a great price. Everyone was happy.
Link to my system thread: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threa...l-sound.32867/
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Electronics: Lamm LP2.1 Deluxe, Lamm LL1.1 Signature, Lamm ML2
Speakers: Vitavox CN-191 corner horns
Cables: Stock SME phono cables, DIY ICs and speaker cables, Ching Cheng power cords, custom rack and amp stands
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February 21, 2019, 10:36 AM #107
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Does Magico charge anything to verify the operation of their speakers?
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February 21, 2019, 06:10 PM #108
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The Q3 on eBay Australia listing price includes International shipping. And they don't need to be shipped to Magico for testing, there is an authorized rep in Australia who will test them prior to shipping and provide an inspection report to prospective buyer.
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February 21, 2019, 06:24 PM #109
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February 21, 2019, 09:47 PM #110
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Link to my system thread: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threa...l-sound.32867/
Analog: Micro Seiki SX 8000 II, 2 NOS SME 3012R tonearms, 2 vdH Colibri Grand Cru, Colibri XPP
Electronics: Lamm LP2.1 Deluxe, Lamm LL1.1 Signature, Lamm ML2
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February 21, 2019, 10:06 PM #111
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Anodized on Q3 was standard finish.
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February 23, 2019, 01:33 PM #112
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Thanks for the correction. I didn't know that and must have assumed it based on some of the other Magico speakers which are offered with different finishes. Do you know if the Q3 was ever offered in something other than black anodized? I think I saw an image of a brown/bronze Q3 once but that may have been an S5.
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February 23, 2019, 01:51 PM #113
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As far as I know, only in black anodized.
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February 23, 2019, 03:09 PM #114
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There were more colors (anodized)
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February 28, 2019, 03:49 PM #115
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February 28, 2019, 04:00 PM #116
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This new M2 is a good looking speaker. Look forward to hearing at AXPONA in April.
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February 28, 2019, 04:17 PM #117
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March 4, 2019, 01:47 PM #118
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the s5mk2 will hit harder on the low end, but certainly no boom. overall, it will be the more forgiving of the two speakers with very little lost in terms of speed and resolution and this should give you more variety in terms of types of music and recordings. the diamond coated be tweeter on the m series and mk2 series is just superb whereas i thought the original be tweeter got a bit hot on recordings that weren't perfect.
if you're really into small scale acoustic i think the q3 wins. that's not to say that it can't play other genres, just that it does really really well on this - i would imagine similarly on classical and stuff too.
i read a while back that the "s" in the s series stands for "soul" - not something from magico officially but just something a dealer mentioned that i thought was accurate
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March 4, 2019, 02:33 PM #121
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My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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March 4, 2019, 04:39 PM #122
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honestly, really had to say - they are both amazing speakers and with the mk2 series being newer/current that's also a plus.
on performance alone, i think i would give the edge to the mk2 because of the tweeter.
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March 4, 2019, 06:19 PM #123
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That's a great question. I have not directly compared them in the same system. I own the Q3s and continue to be astonished at what they can do in my 14.5 X 16 room. They are extremely transparent and revealing of set up and the rest of the system. I do not hear that "hot" tweeter at all. Many people described the Q3 as analytical and sterile. I lived with it for a month in my system and would never describe it that way. I have been able to shift the tonal balance of my system with minute changes in speaker position. I listen to acoustic music, both small and large scale symphony. I also listen to jazz and some classic rock.
I have heard the S5mk2 in Myles Astor's system and it sounded fantastic. I don't know how much of that sound to attribute to the speakers. I do think there are some fundamental design differences which may affect the overall sound, namely the baffle shapes and the cabinet construction. I think the S5 is likely more forgiving of upstream components. Aesthetics also play a role.
My comment was based on used prices for the two speakers. The S5 mk2 is newer, so that is a factor. At current prices, I think the Q3 will be more stable over time, while the S5 may depreciate a bit more based only on age. When new, I think the Q3 was more expensive.
I would love to conduct a direct comparison of these two speakers.Link to my system thread: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threa...l-sound.32867/
Analog: Micro Seiki SX 8000 II, 2 NOS SME 3012R tonearms, 2 vdH Colibri Grand Cru, Colibri XPP
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March 4, 2019, 08:01 PM #124
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deleted wrong quote.
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March 4, 2019, 08:03 PM #125Myles B. Astor, Senior Editor, PF, www.positive-feedback.com
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Technics RS1506 reel-to-reel with low inductance Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi Audio EVO tapestage, AudioQuest Dragon Zero, Audience FrontRow, Ensemble PC, Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna Realization speaker cable, Ikigai Kangai speaker cable, SRA Craz 3/OHIO 2.3 platforms and Symposium ISIS/Ultra rack/platforms, Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC.
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March 4, 2019, 09:24 PM #127
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Given this experience, what would your takeaway be on the differences between these speakers. Or rather, was there anything about the s5 system that instantly struck you as different from your q3s - anything that you could exclude the effect of upstream gear from (maybe you know the amps, or source very well etc)
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I heard S5 before buying S3. S3 is better. Q3 is a vastly better speaker than S3. Magico made a lot of improvements to S5Mk2, whether to the extent that S5Mk2 sounds better than Q3 I don't know. I haven't heard S5Mk2. If used Q3 and used S5Mk2 were about the same price, and I hadn't heard either, I'd go for Q3 - despite being an older model - simply because that was a much more expensive speaker than S5Mk2 when new. The price difference between used Q3 and new M3 is huge, the performance difference isn't anywhere near as huge as the price difference.
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March 4, 2019, 09:55 PM #129
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not to sound defensive but you could make that same argument about the s5mk2. prices can also come down over model years due to changes in production (bringin in machines that were otherwise outsourced portions of production, buying materials at lower costs because of discount on units etc)
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March 4, 2019, 09:58 PM #130
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The price of Magico speakers only goes in one direction over time, and that is not down.
I don't think you can make that argument for S5Mk2 vs Mk1 (if that was your point).
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March 4, 2019, 11:49 PM #131
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Sorry, unfortunately, the system components and rooms are so different between my system and Myles' that I could not make any conclusions about the respective speakers separate from the system/room contexts. Both systems are highly resolving and analog based, but that is where the similarities end.
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Electronics: Lamm LP2.1 Deluxe, Lamm LL1.1 Signature, Lamm ML2
Speakers: Vitavox CN-191 corner horns
Cables: Stock SME phono cables, DIY ICs and speaker cables, Ching Cheng power cords, custom rack and amp stands
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March 5, 2019, 12:39 AM #132
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Brodricij, aren’t you still selling a pair of Q3s? Is that where you’re coming from?
The new Magico graphene mids/ woofers, and diamond coated tweeters are significantly better drivers compared to the older generations.
Therefore e.g. the S3 mk2 is the significantly more refined and more coherent sounding speaker compared to the original S3, which already features the same generation of drivers as the Q3.
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March 5, 2019, 01:55 AM #133
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Link to my system thread: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threa...l-sound.32867/
Analog: Micro Seiki SX 8000 II, 2 NOS SME 3012R tonearms, 2 vdH Colibri Grand Cru, Colibri XPP
Electronics: Lamm LP2.1 Deluxe, Lamm LL1.1 Signature, Lamm ML2
Speakers: Vitavox CN-191 corner horns
Cables: Stock SME phono cables, DIY ICs and speaker cables, Ching Cheng power cords, custom rack and amp stands
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March 5, 2019, 02:15 AM #134
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Not necessarily. I would argue, due to the newer driver technology and x-overs:
- S5 mk2 is better than S5
- S3 mk2 is significantly better than S3
Q3 is a higher range product, but the same generation as S5/ S3. The Q and S range have a slightly different tonality with the Q3 being more transparent and S5/ S3 a bit more full sounding.
All are great speakers. However, Magico is a company which is strongly driving technology innovation in its products. Typically a newer generation product has quite significant improvements compared to the previous one.
The M Pro was an innovation leader, breaking new ground in several areas. Those technologies have trickled down the range into lower M series an and also the S5 mk2/ S3 mk2 products. The M Pro cost about 160K new, if I remember correctly. Now the M3 can be had for 75K. The trickle down allows significant cost reduction of e.g. graphene and diamond coated drivers compared to when they were introduced in the M Pro. The Q3 was introduced before the M Pro.
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“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
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March 5, 2019, 02:03 PM #139
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Hello Dre. That is kind of tough because I only spent a few hours listening with Myles. I really enjoyed meeting Myles and having a chance to hear his system about which I had read so much. A good friend up here in Boston suggested I visit because he had heard the system and remarked about just how good those S5mk2s sounded in that room.
I would say the main difference has to do with soundstaging and imaging: spatial resolution, listener perspective, scale and sense of presence. Myles has a fantastic music collection. He played for me two choral recordings, one of which I bought previously on his recommendation: Holst, Six Medieval Lyrics, Argo ZrG 5495, and The King's Singers, A French Collection, EMI CSD 3740.
We listened to a lot of music, but for the sake of simplicity, these two recordings should illustrate the sonic contrasts and differences from a system/room context that I heard. We played the first tracks from each LP. Both recordings sounded highly resolved and natural, but very similar in terms of presentation. I enjoy the music and I quickly forgot about the system and instead just relaxed and marveled at how good the system sounded. I was quite surprised because despite what I had read, I was expecting a really small presentation given the size of the room. I guess I was also expecting the speakers to perhaps overload the room, given their large size relative to the room. This was not the case.
The system and speakers disappeared and we were left with the music. The Holst is a large male choir with some string instruments. The individual singers were spread from left to right and filled the front wall. The image was recessed back behind the system near the front wall. Each voice was distinct, clear, and articulate. Myles remarked that if I liked the Holst, I would love the The King's Singers. This is a much smaller ensemble of six male singers. The recording is a stand out and sonic marvel. Resolution was off the charts. However, the singers occupied about the same space in the room, they just sounded bigger.
When I returned home, I bought a copy of the King's Singers to hear in my own system. In my room, there is a larger contrast between the two recordings. The image of the Holst fills the front wall from right to left, and the singers are slightly further back in the space than at Myles' place. The King's Singers however, are more forward, and are more or less at the plane of the speakers. They do not fill the front wall, but rather seem up close and personal, located from the outside edge of one speaker to the other. They are extremely present, in the room. The differences in scale, listener perspective, and sense of presence is more distinct between the two recordings. There is more spatial information and recording space acoustic. The contrast between the recordings is pretty clear.
At first I also thought Myles' system was a bit warmer than mine, with slightly more body and weight, though not energy. My sound had been a bit thin, I thought, based on what I heard at Myles', and some recent live music concerts, both large and small scale. I have been experimenting with cartridge loading and slight speaker positioning adjustments. This has resulted in considerably more weight, body, and warmth. I would now say that my system has a tonal balance which I think is very similar to what I heard at Myles. So, after the visit, I would have said that Myles' system had a richer, warmer tonal balance, and mine was thinner and slightly cooler, but I no longer think that is the case.
I don't know how responsive the S5 Mk2 is to such changes of speaker position and up stream vinyl adjustments, but the Q3 is a chameleon when it comes to upstream set up and gear changes. It really seems to have very little sound of its own. It is really hard to say that the differences I notice between our two systems have anything to do with the speakers. I think they are more likely based on the two rooms.
I did not hear differences that I might have attributed to solid stage versus tube electrics, belt drive versus direct drive turntables, etc. I should add that I was astonished at the spatial information and sheer experience of listening to his tape of Dark Side of the Moon. That was fantastic. It filled the room to a much greater extent than did his other recordings.
In the end, I actually think our two systems sound much more alike than I would have thought given the differences in components and typologies. In no way can I reach any conclusions about the sonic differences of the two speakers simply based on what I hear from our two systems.Link to my system thread: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threa...l-sound.32867/
Analog: Micro Seiki SX 8000 II, 2 NOS SME 3012R tonearms, 2 vdH Colibri Grand Cru, Colibri XPP
Electronics: Lamm LP2.1 Deluxe, Lamm LL1.1 Signature, Lamm ML2
Speakers: Vitavox CN-191 corner horns
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March 5, 2019, 02:59 PM #140
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What a fascinating analysis by PeterA, and in my view a commendable one. These are both, I suspect, truly great speakers. I've heard lots of Magico but I could not say for sure that I have heard both these - I use Q1s (with the Wilson Benesch Torus) and have recently seriously auditioned M3s; and am waiting for the M2s.
But (1) room, (2) change of speaker position, (3) change of listening position and (4) recording - and I could add mood and listening volume - contribute far more than changes in quality conventional loudspeakers, if adequately driven.
This should encourage all to devote much time and thought to any loudspeaker change, which therefore usually requires a lot of commitment from a good dealer - which is tough to find here in the UK.
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March 5, 2019, 03:48 PM #141
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Thanks for the reply.
From the original statement, I’d gathered there were no similarities other than the two you had mentioned. That seemed unusual in some ways.
Now that you have expanded on this observation, the one difference you have focused on was the perception of depth (I gather that is mostly from a few tracks from two vocal-based albums) and the associated subjective attributes you ascribed to that feature. Ok, Thanks.
I did notice you mentioned DSOTM sounded fantastic: which is a more full range performance and not as midrange-ish (single driver) limited as the first two albums you focused on. That was interesting.
I also learned you thought your system was on the cooler/thinner side at the time of the listening event compared to the warmer/weightier sound from the visited system in addition to your live venue experiences. Although, you have mentioned since that time you have taken steps to improve your perception of the sound you are getting; while not always the case, this can sometimes be the plus side of getting out more.
And finally, your affirming, in the end, that the two systems are more similar than different brings me full circle to why I had asked the question originally. It seems upon reflection, this latest and more complete response is more in-line with what I would have initially thought.
I had a feeling the additional clarity would be more beneficial and in better context than the original statement you had made.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Dre
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March 5, 2019, 05:07 PM #142
Re: Magico M2
You are welcome, Dre. I think this thread about the new M2 is not really the place to discuss how similar or different two other Magico speakers may or may not sound, especially considering that I have not directly compared them. The system and room contexts in which I did hear Myles' S52 and my Q3 are considerably different, and that is the point I was trying to make. Upon reflection, I am somewhat surprised that they sound as similar as they do.
It is interesting that visitors are not often asked to describe the differences between two members' systems in forums like these. In fact, such descriptions are usually made in isolation and not relative to other people's systems. Furthermore, people do often make pronouncements about specific components and how they sound compared to others without actually having heard them side by side.
When I wrote this:
I was referring to the room and components being so different rather than my impressions of each system's sonic attributes.Link to my system thread: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threa...l-sound.32867/
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March 6, 2019, 03:11 AM #143
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Re: Magico M2
I asked my dealer this same question before I bought M3. His reply was, M3 make Q3 sound broken. My Q3 were on SPOD and I prefer their sonic attributes over the MPro I heard in another hi-end dealer show room. So I wouldn't go as far to say that M3 make Q3 sound broken. Alon Wolf made a big deal about the vast improvements brought about by the curved side/top surfaces of M3 (to counter diffraction effects) compared to the flat straight edges of the Q3 cabinet. Whether that is validated by measurement, whether true or not, I don't know. What I do know is both speakers can be made to vanish in the room, despite the enormity of their physical presence, curved cabinets or not. When you can achieve that it's a good starting point for everything else. The most apparent sonic difference between M3 and Q3 is that diamond coated Be tweeter. It really is something special. It allows the treble to keep pace and tonal balance with the bass texture through the operating volume range. Meaning M3 can bring on a thoroughly enjoyable listening experience at a lower volume compared to Q3, which needs more current and volume to snap everything into focus (in other words, bass tends to swamp treble in Q3 at lower volumes, but not so in M3). I have Mpods for my M3 but I haven't installed them yet. I expect that when I do the differences between it and Q3 will be more apparent.
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March 6, 2019, 10:45 AM #144
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Thanks for sharing this. I found your comments on the tweeter especially insightful. In my small room the s5's disappear completely and i have them set up as a 9ft equilateral triangle - it's extremely impressive when 440lbs of aluminum just move out of the way! Reminds me of my old monitors in that sense.
I have a symphonic line kraft on the way...I am eager to see what that power and current (not that my current amp is a slouch) can get these speakers to do.
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I own an S3 Mk2. Much of my listening is done at what I'd call low-moderate volume levels, and I'd have to say the combination of the S3 Mk2s and Gryphon Diablo 300 integrated is excellent at these levels.
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March 8, 2019, 09:42 PM #146
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Re: Magico M2
Price of Magico M2: SRP US $ 56,000 /pair plus applicable taxes. Price M2 MPOD 3-Pt Stand: SRP US $ 7,600 /pair (optional)
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March 8, 2019, 11:11 PM #147
Re: Magico M2
Is the MPod stand better for any one type of surface; concrete, wood, tile, turf?
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March 8, 2019, 11:20 PM #148
Re: Magico M2
Is the MPOD a stand, or footers?
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March 8, 2019, 11:41 PM #149
Re: Magico M2
The MPOD for Magico M2 or M3 speakers is the set of silver metal feet with vibration absorption material sandwiched in-between, that you screw into the base of the speaker instead of regular spikes. It's good in any situation where vibrations would be traveling between the floor and speaker enclosure.
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March 9, 2019, 12:00 AM #150Bud
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