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    Re: Magico A5ís Arrive!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bart001 View Post
    My journey was Devore Nines...then had to add a sub (JL) because I needed more bass. Then I got tired of the sub, and found the Devores too "shouty," and got the A3's. There is plenty (a ton) of bass from these A3's in my (rather alive) room. I could not imagine wanting a sub in my environment; the bass really is fantastic. For our room (the tweeters are 113" on the laser measure from where I sit), I think that the A5's would be too much (just as the Devore X's were when I brought them home to try). I have S3Mk2 and M2 envy, not A5 envy
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    Re: Magico A5ís Arrive!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Yes, I auditioned the V2 and Mini II at Goodwin's High End in Boston. They both sounded excellent, and extremely coherent. About six months later, I went to Sound by Singer in NYC and heard the Mini II and V3, at opposite ends of the same room. The Mini II sounded pretty much as I remembered it sounding, but the V3 seemed to have poor woofer integration with the rest of the drivers. It was not at all coherent. I assumed the set up was fine because I also heard the M5 in a different room that same afternoon. It sounded like a much bigger Mini II. Of all the speakers, only the V3, to my ears, sounded less "of a piece". I could hear the separate drivers. Based on these auditions, I decided to buy the Mini II. I now own the Q3. I have not heard any of the new A series, but I have heard the M Pro, the M2, the M3, the S5 II, the S1, the S7, the Q7, the Q5, the Q1.

    I cannot find myself in that statement at all (Poor woofer integration of the V3), I think it must have been the setup you have listened to, Before buying the V3's, I have listened to the V2 and Mini II in the same system, for me the V3 filled the room better then the other two. Playing with them almost ten years now.

    Now thinking about the YG Hailey or Magico S3mk II, S5mkII or maybe the M2, we will see where it goes.

    The Q3 you have is a great speaker, almost pulled the trigger on them a few years ago, enjoy. :-)
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    Re: Magico A5ís Arrive!!!!

    I really enjoyed buying and selling used speakers in the $20k new,($10k or so actual)range the last several years as I got to learn how reviewers correlate their listening impressions and how they translate to me, scratch a few off the list, but in regards to this thread I figured out what I need in my room to keep me happy and the A5 is the first product from magico I can look at and consider being able to afford one day that will get the job done.
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    Re: Magico A5ís Arrive!!!!

    Interesting comments , never heard a Magico i thought had too much bass , heard a few setups which had good bass balance , most i have heard tended to be soft in the bass , not lean just soft , they are not really the kind of speakers many would find visceral with jump, mostly noted for good balance ..



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    Re: Magico A5ís Arrive!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    never heard a Magico i thought had too much bass
    yes, as corect as that bass from sealed encolsures might measure, i ve always missed the real impact with magico.
    well, the q7 driven by the solution 700er monos were absolutely outstanding, so things will depend on the amp to some degrees.
    that said, as soon as the a5 is in the shop i will go for a listen. i think it is tuned to allround
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    Re: Magico A5ís Arrive!!!!

    Hi Mike,

    How does the Magico A5 compare to the similarly priced Revel Salon 2, which is considered an all-time great speaker at its price point. Please be as specific as you can.

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    Magico A5ís Arrive!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Hi Mike,

    How does the Magico A5 compare to the similarly priced Revel Salon 2, which is considered an all-time great speaker at its price point. Please be as specific as you can.

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    Well, I will do my best.

    I had the pleasure of owning the Salon 2ís twice and the Studio 2ís once. It seems like an eternity ago when I bought my first pair of Salon 2ís. I think it was around 2006?

    I remember distinctly setting them up, breaking them in for several weeks and then calling Harman Corporation explaining they were broken. Not broken in, broken! THERE WAS NO BASS! How could a big speaker with so many big drivers sound so anemic in the bass?

    After several calls and a conversation with Kevin Voecks, it was explained that I needed a bigger boat, no actually, not a boat, a lot more power.

    After banishing my puny 300 watt per channel amp and bringing in some 1200 watt per channel amps, the bass improved, but only slightly. It was determined that these speakers NEEDED subs IN MY ROOM. Maybe in a smaller room or a different room they wouldnít, but in my room, they sure did. I purchased a pair of REL Strata IIIís (remember those?) and I was off to the races.

    I lived on and off with Salon 2ís/Studio 2ís for a number of years. I never found a better pairing than the Studio 2ís with ARC REF250ís and a REF5SE. What an amazing combination! Even though the Studio 2ís are the little brother, in some ways, they were better than the Salon 2ís.

    I still consider the tweeter on the Salon 2ís/Studio 2ís one of the best. Right up there with Magicoís diamond coated BE tweeter, Vividís unique tweeter, the Lansche plasma tweeter and pure diamond tweeters like you find on the Tidal and Estelon speakers.

    That being said, in addition to light in the bass, the Salon2/Studio2 had a slightly congested/boxy sound compared to a modern speaker like the A5 which is built in a solid aluminum cabinet with newer driver technology (especially the new midrange which allows the bass drivers to really do their thing). Also, the Salon2/Studio2 never really ďdisappearedĒ in the sense that the A5ís do. I also think the A5 driver integration is more seamless. They really have this planar magnetic type seamless imaging thanks to removing cabinet resonances and seamless driver integration and new driver materials. Of course, the M series takes these benefits to a whole new level and beyond.

    And letís not forget, the bass of the A5ís is incredible. I would say, unparalleled at itís price point. The Salon 2ís IN MY ROOM lacked bass and needed subs. I hate the term ďneeded subsĒ, because I think subs really augment and add, but in the case of the Salon 2ís in my room, they NEEDED subs.

    But letís put things in perspective. The Salon 2ís have been out, what, 15 years? Itís taken many manufacturers this amount of time to just catch up and a few to surpass an amazing, award winning speaker such as the Salon 2, which by the way, despite being discontinued, is STILL on the Stereophile Class A list.

    But someone shopping today, would be hard pressed to pick a Salon 2 over a new Magico A5 IMO. The A5 is that good. Finally a new ~$20K champ for me and Iím sure, many others.
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    Thank you Mike for that in-depth comparison. I owned the Revel Salon 2’s for three years and I agree with your assessment, especially regarding the bass. The bass would only fill in at higher volume levels. At low to medium volume levels, it was insufficient. The Salon 2’s bass greatly benefited from the speakers being placed close to the front corners of the room. However, I really enjoyed their ultra smooth tweeter and cohesive mid-range.

    Time marches on and it sounds like the A5’s have surpassed the Salon 2’s in bass response, imaging and reduced cabinet resonances. Nice job by Magico.

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    Re: Magico A5ís Arrive!!!!

    Thanks Mike. Very informative and particularly relevant comparison for me having owned the Studio 2ís for several years. Those speakers definitely provided the peak of performance I personally have achieved. That said they really only worked truly great with 1 out of a half dozen amplifiers I had on them (albeit much more modest choices). I had them in a diagonal firing setup for a while and the imaging from anywhere in the room was boggling. Definitely miss that.

    I continue to really enjoy my easygoing, fun Klipsch system but watch this space as I would love a true hi-res audiophile system Š la the Revels again! Have always been a big Magico fan and these look amazing.


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    Re: Magico A5ís Arrive!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post

    But someone shopping today, would be hard pressed to pick a Salon 2 over a new Magico A5 IMO. The A5 is that good. Finally a new ~$20K champ for me and Iím sure, many others.
    I find great interest in this comment. I was a Magico A3 owner for about 6 months and thought they were just a great speaker. Very easy to listen to. Super bass and very good transparency with a huge soundstage. However, I got an opportunity to pickup a new pair of Salon2s for little incremental investment so decided to make the move, as I always have wanted to try them. Had both pairs in the same room at the same time with the same gear. I thought the Salon2 had better clarity in the midrange compared to the A3. I have no lack of bass in my setup and I think that may be in part due to the massive power going into them.

    BUT.......if the A5 is a significant improvement in midrage clarity over the A3 (and it sounds like it is) I would certainly think picking them over a Salon2 is very tempting. If for no other reason, I think the placement of an A5 is going to be easier due to the sealed enclosure and it seems a bit less intrusive in your room. While the A5 is actually heavier, the Salon2 is quite a bit larger; it is a rather imposing item in your living room! However, there will likely be a big $ upgrade cost to make that happen and whether the $ difference is justified by the performance difference remains to be seen.

    Can't wait to hear the A5s. But with current circumstances its going to be awhile!
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    Re: Magico A5ís Arrive!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by imprezap2 View Post
    I cannot find myself in that statement at all (Poor woofer integration of the V3), I think it must have been the setup you have listened to, Before buying the V3's, I have listened to the V2 and Mini II in the same system, for me the V3 filled the room better then the other two. Playing with them almost ten years now.

    Now thinking about the YG Hailey or Magico S3mk II, S5mkII or maybe the M2, we will see where it goes.

    The Q3 you have is a great speaker, almost pulled the trigger on them a few years ago, enjoy. :-)
    Thanks about the Q3. I agree, great speaker, especially at today's used prices. It may very well have been the set up, but this was at the same dealer in NYC and the others speakers sounded very coherent. Room fill and coherency are two different things. The V3 is a bigger speaker than either the V2 or Mini II. Or, that lower woofer in the V3, separated from the mid/tweeter so much means that one has to sit further away for the drivers to integrate. I don't know. It was a small room in NYC. Glad you like them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkscherk View Post
    I find great interest in this comment. I was a Magico A3 owner for about 6 months and thought they were just a great speaker. Very easy to listen to. Super bass and very good transparency with a huge soundstage. However, I got an opportunity to pickup a new pair of Salon2s for little incremental investment so decided to make the move, as I always have wanted to try them. Had both pairs in the same room at the same time with the same gear. I thought the Salon2 had better clarity in the midrange compared to the A3. I have no lack of bass in my setup and I think that may be in part due to the massive power going into them.

    BUT.......if the A5 is a significant improvement in midrage clarity over the A3 (and it sounds like it is) I would certainly think picking them over a Salon2 is very tempting. If for no other reason, I think the placement of an A5 is going to be easier due to the sealed enclosure and it seems a bit less intrusive in your room. While the A5 is actually heavier, the Salon2 is quite a bit larger; it is a rather imposing item in your living room! However, there will likely be a big $ upgrade cost to make that happen and whether the $ difference is justified by the performance difference remains to be seen.

    Can't wait to hear the A5s. But with current circumstances its going to be awhile!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkscherk View Post
    I find great interest in this comment. I was a Magico A3 owner for about 6 months and thought they were just a great speaker. Very easy to listen to. Super bass and very good transparency with a huge soundstage. However, I got an opportunity to pickup a new pair of Salon2s for little incremental investment so decided to make the move, as I always have wanted to try them. Had both pairs in the same room at the same time with the same gear. I thought the Salon2 had better clarity in the midrange compared to the A3. I have no lack of bass in my setup and I think that may be in part due to the massive power going into them.

    BUT.......if the A5 is a significant improvement in midrage clarity over the A3 (and it sounds like it is) I would certainly think picking them over a Salon2 is very tempting. If for no other reason, I think the placement of an A5 is going to be easier due to the sealed enclosure and it seems a bit less intrusive in your room. While the A5 is actually heavier, the Salon2 is quite a bit larger; it is a rather imposing item in your living room! However, there will likely be a big $ upgrade cost to make that happen and whether the $ difference is justified by the performance difference remains to be seen.

    Can't wait to hear the A5s. But with current circumstances its going to be awhile!
    If you liked the A3’s, I would think the A5’s would be worth a serious listen. I also owned the Salon 2’s before I purchased the Vandersteen 7 Mk2’s and they were excellent speakers, but over time, newer technology eventually usurps even the best components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Thanks about the Q3. I agree, great speaker, especially at today's used prices. It may very well have been the set up, but this was at the same dealer in NYC and the others speakers sounded very coherent. Room fill and coherency are two different things. The V3 is a bigger speaker than either the V2 or Mini II. Or, that lower woofer in the V3, separated from the mid/tweeter so much means that one has to sit further away for the drivers to integrate. I don't know. It was a small room in NYC. Glad you like them.
    If the distance between woofer and mid would be an issue it means that also Magico's S3mk1/2, S5mk1/2 and M2 would not be coherent, ofcourse a point source is the best option. But Magico's are not designed that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imprezap2 View Post
    If the distance between woofer and mid would be an issue it means that also Magico's S3mk1/2, S5mk1/2 and M2 would not be coherent, ofcourse a point source is the best option. But Magico's are not designed that way.
    Yes, that makes sense. All I'm saying is that when I auditioned the V3, I found it less coherent than any other MAgico speaker I've heard. That's all. I don't know the reason, but I clearly heard the woofers separate from the mid/tweeter. MIght have been set up or something else. Magico is usually extremely coherent. I have always thought that is one of their strengths.

    Anyway, I don't want this thread aobut the A5 to get any more sidetracked. Sorry.
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    Re: Magico A5ís Arrive!!!!

    Hi Mike,

    Very nice speakers. Will you able to pair them with Pass INT60/250 and share your thought? Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Q3Di View Post
    Hi Mike,

    Very nice speakers. Will you able to pair them with Pass INT60/250 and share your thought? Thanks
    For sure. But I donít see us back in the store until we are given the ok to return to work from the Governor. I can imagine the INT-250 with the A5ís would be unbelievably good. The Boulder integrated was fantastic on them as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Q3Di View Post
    Hi Mike,

    Very nice speakers. Will you able to pair them with Pass INT60/250 and share your thought? Thanks
    i have the A3s paired with Pass 260.8s and XP-22 and they are absolutely amazing. The A5s are very tempting and I have no doubt that they would sound good with the Pass INT 60/250.
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    I have always thought that Pass and Magico is a great combination. Sadly, there are not many dealers that carry both brands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    I have always thought that Pass and Magico is a great combination. Sadly, there are not many dealers that carry both brands.
    There are not many dealers that carry Pass, and I think you know why. I do, because I like Nelson and the entire team and love the product.
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    I love my INT250, sound great with Studio2. I wanted Pass separates but due to WAF (I can't have too many boxes sitting in the small living room) I had to simplify to one box INT250.

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    There are not many dealers that carry Pass, and I think you know why. I do, because I like Nelson and the entire team and love the product.
    Yes, and your customers benefit from your representation and service, Mike.

    It is not as easy as blaming Reno Hifi, though. My local dealer told me years ago, and certainly before Reno started as a trade in/refurbishment business for discontinued Pass products. My dealer told me that two brands he represented told him that if they took on Pass, they would pull their products. I guess they did not want to compete. My dealer says he considered it because they like Pass too. Tough decisions. I believe the story, but can not verify it.
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    Yes, and your customers benefit from your representation and service, Mike.

    It is not as easy as blaming Reno Hifi, though. My local dealer told me years ago, and certainly before Reno started as a trade in/refurbishment business for discontinued Pass products. My dealer told me that two brands he represented told him that if they took on Pass, they would pull their products. I guess they did not want to compete. My dealer says he considered it because they like Pass too. Tough decisions. I believe the story, but can not verify it.
    Hard to say, but the fly in the ointment is a deterrent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    If you liked the A3ís, I would think the A5ís would be worth a serious listen. I also owned the Salon 2ís before I purchased the Vandersteen 7 Mk2ís and they were excellent speakers, but over time, newer technology eventually usurps even the best components.

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    Yes, and your customers benefit from your representation and service, Mike.

    It is not as easy as blaming Reno Hifi, though. My local dealer told me years ago, and certainly before Reno started as a trade in/refurbishment business for discontinued Pass products. My dealer told me that two brands he represented told him that if they took on Pass, they would pull their products. I guess they did not want to compete. My dealer says he considered it because they like Pass too. Tough decisions. I believe the story, but can not verify it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post
    With so many brands, I would support Pass and let the chips fall. Perhaps a bit of ignorance, but when you have overhead your responsible for you need diversity, I canít think of a better time than now for the reason why


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    More Pic's Please!!!


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    I have a weird question that has been bothering me.

    Is it ever necessary to equalize the internal air pressure of the speaker cabinet with the local atmospheric pressure? Say if a set of these speakers are built at roughly sea level (Hayward, Ca) and then shipped to a customer in Denver?


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    are you suggesting we can bottle barometric pressure and bring it with us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nile49 View Post
    I have a weird question that has been bothering me.

    Is it ever necessary to equalize the internal air pressure of the speaker cabinet with the local atmospheric pressure? Say if a set of these speakers are built at roughly sea level (Hayward, Ca) and then shipped to a customer in Denver?


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    Quote Originally Posted by nile49 View Post
    I have a weird question that has been bothering me.

    Is it ever necessary to equalize the internal air pressure of the speaker cabinet with the local atmospheric pressure? Say if a set of these speakers are built at roughly sea level (Hayward, Ca) and then shipped to a customer in Denver?


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    If the speaker cabinets were 100% air tight, yes, it would be a problem in your scenario and the cones would be damaged. However, I seriously doubt that any design is 100% air tight. In kayak watertight bulkheads, there’s usually a pinhole to prevent this type of damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve59 View Post
    are you suggesting we can bottle barometric pressure and bring it with us?
    Yes. If the system is truly air tight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Why do you think the speakers are completely air tight?
    I always read things such as ďhermetically sealedĒ and so on about the boxes. Is this demonstrably not the case with yours?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    If the speaker cabinets were 100% air tight, yes, it would be a problem in your scenario and the cones would be damaged. However, I seriously doubt that any design is 100% air tight. In kayak watertight bulkheads, thereís usually a pinhole to prevent this type of damage.

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    Thanks for your input Ken. I do wonder about the permeability of the cone/surround etc. A pinhole seems sacrilege but I guess thatís just the sort of design question I have. In my alleged scenario I figure the difference would be roughly 10 psi Hayward to Denver.

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    I've had sealed box speakers for a little over a year now and I never considered that concern. I wonder what the difference would be from Britain to Chicago?
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    If we go this far, temperature also comes into the picture, volume of air will be larger at higher temperature (in an enclosed box that means more pressure)
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve59 View Post
    I've had sealed box speakers for a little over a year now and I never considered that concern. I wonder what the difference would be from Britain to Chicago?
    I suppose it depends on where it came from exactly.

    It makes sense that they would equalize on their own with a little time. I do recall one comment I remember hearing when I attended a Q3 introduction event years ago where the owner of the shop said that they had never heard a speakers character change so drastically from when it was first pulled out of the box. Maybe it could have been related?

    Anyways, just speculation and something that I hadnít heard discussed before.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nile49 View Post
    Thanks for your input Ken. I do wonder about the permeability of the cone/surround etc. A pinhole seems sacrilege but I guess that’s just the sort of design question I have. In my alleged scenario I figure the difference would be roughly 10 psi Hayward to Denver.

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    Hi Warren,

    A pinhole built into the cabinet wouldn’t be sacrilege at all because it would allow a very slow equalization of the inside and outside pressure without affecting the performance of the sealed loudspeaker. You would still have full back pressure on the driver cones and the pinhole would be too small to release any bass energy like in a reflex design.

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    Did anyone think to email Peter Mac to ask?
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    Did anyone think to email Peter Mac to ask?
    Ken is correct.


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    Ahhhh......meebee that’s why I like Magicos better than the Harbeths I had....dang barometric pressure....I’m at sea level also!

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    Ken is correct.


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    I suppose it depends on where it came from exactly.

    It makes sense that they would equalize on their own with a little time. I do recall one comment I remember hearing when I attended a Q3 introduction event years ago where the owner of the shop said that they had never heard a speakers character change so drastically from when it was first pulled out of the box. Maybe it could have been related?

    Anyways, just speculation and something that I hadnít heard discussed before.


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    My A3s were absolutely amazing out of the box but bloomed after they were played for a few weeks - hundreds of hours. Everything was at a higher and better level. Unbelievable details in the music. Even at this level within Magico everything is superb. I really enjoy them.

    I wish I could justify the price of a set of A5s at this time. However, at least for the present time, I'm hanging in there for something even above them.

    I'm looking forward to some Post-COVID-19 listening sessions.
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    My M3ís took about 5 hours for the first 90% improvement, which was dramatic. It was in that 5th hour that they suddenly snapped to attention. The next 10% took about 200 hours, which was a process of gradual refinement. The final 2% came with the installation of Mpods. And yeah, I know that adds up to 102%!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    My M3ís took about 5 hours for the first 90% improvement, which was dramatic. It was in that 5th hour that they suddenly snapped to attention. The next 10% took about 200 hours, which was a process of gradual refinement. The final 2% came with the installation of Mpods. And yeah, I know that adds up to 102%!
    Not familiar with the mpods but if they make 1/2 the difference simply spiking a pair of Usher 20 dmds did probably more like 112%
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    Any whispers of a review for these speakers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve59 View Post
    Any whispers of a review for these speakers?
    Whisper..whisper..theyíre



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    I need to know how these sound with different products. If you ever do listen to the A5 with a Hegel int I would really appreciate hearing your impressions in some detail. no hurries as they would have to be pretty amazing to bump my current system out of the listening room and into the ht room.
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At AudioShark, we also have incorporated an exciting Marketplace where members can peruse terrific buys on used gear, as well as meet dealers and discuss the purchase of new gear.

We are as crazy about this hobby as you are! So come on in and join us! Audioshark.org the Friendliest Audio Forum!

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Audioshark is a community of like minded individuals. Audioshark welcomes participation from all manufacturers and owners of all brands and products. It is our belief that online forums provide a community of like minded audiophiles and music lovers to encourage the growth of this wonderful hobby.

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