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    Magico A5 Review

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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    What language is that?
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    German and the price is 32500 Euro/ pair


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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    no excuse for a speaker costing that much to be that fugly looking ..........
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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Elztalbiker View Post
    German and the price is 32500 Euro/ pair


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    Wow. thats about 40k USD, does that include VAT?
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    Inclusive VAT


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    Not quite, you are working it backwards. The Magico is a US brand, hence exporting to the EU automatically increases price by about 20% for VAT, then there is the dollar vs Euro conversion. I believe the US price is around $24k - $25k.
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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobvin View Post
    Not quite, you are working it backwards. The Magico is a US brand, hence exporting to the EU automatically increases price by about 20% for VAT, then there is the dollar vs Euro conversion. I believe the US price is around $24k - $25k.
    Anyway you dice it the mark-up between US and German list price is 50%. in spite of that, the reviewer found them to be a great speaker.
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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    English version:

    https://www.magico.net/images/Review...2VE8veZfUw_MDk


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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    Anyway you dice it the mark-up between US and German list price is 50%...
    The German list price includes 20% EU VAT, right? The US MSRP does not include State sales tax, right?

    And you have to air freight the speakers to International markets, and there is a necessary International distributor function cost that can't be priced for free. All that considered, sounds pretty close to the level playing field parity pricing to me.
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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    The German list price includes 20% EU VAT, right? The US MSRP does not include State sales tax, right?

    And you have to air freight the speakers to International markets, and there is a necessary International distributor function cost that can't be priced for free. All that considered, sounds pretty close to the level playing field parity pricing to me.
    in the US we have local sales tax depending on the State/city you reside in, for me its 8.75% but its higher when I Import directly from the EU which I've done numerous times. That said, the spread is still 50% when you incl. VAT the Germans pay which is back at 19%.
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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    One more, best one so far.
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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    Magico A5 Loudspeakers


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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    @Mike
    Post above yours has the same link...

    BTW, not so interesting review.
    Jeff spent 90% of only interesting part of the review (= sound) talking about bass (and mostly with electronic music)...


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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    I enjoyed the review. I like the system he had. MSB Discrete is fantastic with the A5’s.

    I also agree with Jeff on Diamond tweeters. Ooooh la la.


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    From another article MSB+ Magico A5

    Building a Supersystem Around Magico Speakers and MSB Technology Electronics

    Mr. Wolf is dropping hints about the next generation S series!

    JF: The A models, and specifically the A5, must be putting upward pressure on the current S series. What plans do you have to address that?

    AW: The Magico team has been hard at work. Soon you will find out!

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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    Has Magico ever done a Mk3 version of a speaker? I don't think so....reading between the lines the translation might be, there is a S7Mk2 in the pipeline with trickle down driver tech from the A5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    Has Magico ever done a Mk3 version of a speaker? I don't think so....reading between the lines the translation might be, there is a S7Mk2 in the pipeline with trickle down driver tech from the A5.
    Good theory.

    Perhaps, the alumium honeycomb drivers will be exclusive to the flagships of each respective line? For example, M9, S7mk2? and A5.

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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    By the in-room measurements shown in July edition of Stereophile, there is a pretty significant roll-off of high frequencies:
    8 kHz = -5 dB
    10 kHz = -7 dB
    15 kHz = -10 dB
    20 kHz = -14 dB

    I'm curious how this affects the "air" and sense of ambience - for those who have heard them?

    Also, even in pretty large room (32' x 24' x 9' 9") the bass seems to be too prominent - of course, it should not be flat and should gradually rise toward the lowest frequencies, but +10 dB at 100 Hz (+6 dB at 150 Hz) seems too much - and that is also addressed in review. What is the optimal room size for them?

    And again - most of the sound description in review is related to bass



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    "Also, even in pretty large room (32' x 24' x 9' 9") the bass seems to be too prominent - of course, it should not be flat and should gradually rise toward the lowest frequencies, but +10 dB at 100 Hz (+6 dB at 150 Hz) seems too much - and that is also addressed in review. What is the optimal room size for them?"

    With the large boost in bass that comes from this room, is it possible to generate an accurate review of any hi-fi equipment?

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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    Every room has some room gain, but it is related to the size of the room. Smaller rooms have more room gain. And this room is far from small, so I don't expect that all "boost in the bass" is related to room gain.

    Of course that measurements in room which is not familiar to me are not 100% relevant - that's why I'm asking people who have heard them.

    Unfortunately, there are no Magico dealers in my country and during this "C-19 situation" it's a little complicated to travel to other countries just for speakers demo.
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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    the German test linked in this thread also shows the bass bump and treble roll off. despite that they gave it a 15 out of a possible 15 points for neutrality.
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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    Measurements could provide us some very rough picture about the sound of some speakers, if we have some experience with different speakers and the relations between their measurements and our own listening experience.

    Having the described experience, I don't ever judge the quality of speakers by its measurements, but I do have some expectations about how they could sound - their basic sound signature / character.

    Speaking about reviews - how shall I put it...

    How many reviews have you read lately that are:
    1. not saying that the product is very good or great or excellent?
    2. not saying that the product which costs more than 10k is fantastic?
    3. not saying that it's worth (far!) more than its price tag?

    Most magazines even if they were not in the beginning - became pure marketing. 80% of pages are commercials and the rest are some reviews which again sound like a pure commercial. Just take a look at 132 pages of July edition of Stereophile, which is among better magazines

    Some Hi-Fi companies invest A LOT into marketing and commercials. No need to name them.

    That's why I trust only to my own ears and if I cannot, like now - I like to hear opinions of my friends that I trust or at least hear/read opinions on forums, mostly comparative (with other products) - just to get some rough picture.
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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Delija View Post
    By the in-room measurements shown in July edition of Stereophile, there is a pretty significant roll-off of high frequencies:
    8 kHz = -5 dB
    10 kHz = -7 dB
    15 kHz = -10 dB
    20 kHz = -14 dB

    I'm curious how this affects the "air" and sense of ambience - for those who have heard them?

    Also, even in pretty large room (32' x 24' x 9' 9") the bass seems to be too prominent - of course, it should not be flat and should gradually rise toward the lowest frequencies, but +10 dB at 100 Hz (+6 dB at 150 Hz) seems too much - and that is also addressed in review. What is the optimal room size for them?

    And again - most of the sound description in review is related to bass



    Thats the nearfield avg summed response , if accurate then these speakers will be best with some toe in , than straight ahead, BTW thats a pretty good avg room response considering..



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    Quote Originally Posted by Delija View Post
    Measurements could provide us some very rough picture about the sound of some speakers, if we have some experience with different speakers and the relations between their measurements and our own listening experience.

    Having the described experience, I don't ever judge the quality of speakers by its measurements, but I do have some expectations about how they could sound - their basic sound signature / character.

    Speaking about reviews - how shall I put it...

    How many reviews have you read lately that are:
    1. not saying that the product is very good or great or excellent?
    2. not saying that the product which costs more than 10k is fantastic?
    3. not saying that it's worth (far!) more than its price tag?

    Most magazines even if they were not in the beginning - became pure marketing. 80% of pages are commercials and the rest are some reviews which again sound like a pure commercial. Just take a look at 132 pages of July edition of Stereophile, which is among better magazines

    Some Hi-Fi companies invest A LOT into marketing and commercials. No need to name them.

    That's why I trust only to my own ears and if I cannot, like now - I like to hear opinions of my friends that I trust or at least hear/read opinions on forums, mostly comparative (with other products) - just to get some rough picture.
    Post up the impedance graphs and sensitivity numbers a better picture will emerge ...

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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    July's edition of Stereophile also has a very positive review of the A5. Editor in Chief Jim Austin is the reviewer.
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    Re: Magico A5 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Post up the impedance graphs and sensitivity numbers a better picture will emerge ...
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