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    Re: Every once in a while...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    It has a Roon module in the DAC. Thatís how we are using it.

    I know there is a lot of talk about the cables, but to be honest, this system went from great to ďout of this worldĒ when we put in the full Alpha V2 loom. We had in there previous a mishmash of Wireworld Eclipse 8 SPC, Tornado PCís and Sigma v1 ICís. All good cables for sure, but the system went up many notches when we put in the Alpha v2 loom. Just saying.


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    So do you agree with Puma Cat's "advice" that if someone wanted to buy all of the gear in your "Every once in a while" system but couldn't swing the money for the full loom of Shunyata cables they should purchase cheaper gear so they could afford the full loom of Shunyata cables?
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    Re: Every once in a while...

    A bit tangential to the main thread, but what are the pros and cons of the A5 vs. the S3? Aren't they similarly priced and sized? The A5 appears to have better drivers, the S3 a more sophisticated enclosure?

    It would be interesting to insert a Pass INT-250 instead of the pre-amp/amp combo; probably ~$20k less (with the fewer cables required), and how much of the magic (if any) would be retained?
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    Re: Every once in a while...

    With all due respect to the colorful and enthusiastic Formula 1 analogies and opinions of the contributing members, we do tend to let our imagination get ahead of reality somewhat...

    The reality is one has a 15 or much less often a 20 amp circuit to feed the amp from. A power cord either can or cannot pass/handle the amperage. If it does not, it starts to heat up and melt. Fully taking into account that an amp can never sustain/dissipate that kind of amp draw anyways as they typically get hot even at continuous 1/3 rated power, it is even less likely for a power cord to be inadequate. Transient demands? Sure, dynamic peaks can and will cause very large draws from the power supply and the circuit but chances are the 1800 watts available from the 15 amp circuit are enough before it trips.

    So a power cord in essence is either rated and adequate at supplying the needed current up to and including full home outlet/circuit wattage or it is not... After that we start getting into slew rate of cables and all that other voodoo magic. Good luck arguing that, Iím out.

    This is coming from a guy that used to have packages coming for years from the cable company cable loan program... Oh I also used to work around equipment that used to have power cables that would physically dance on the floor from the power pulses.. So I do know a few things about cables and power delivery.

    Thatís not to say that a good power cable with better shielding, quality and better conducting plugs would not be a benefit to the system. But to put that as a priority over speakers or sources or even amps? Sorry, I donít agree
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    Re: Every once in a while...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Everyone once in a while we put together a system in the store that just so defies its total price, itís unbelievable.

    Right now, this system is blowing us away (for the money):

    Magico A5ís
    Pass X260.8ís
    Pass XP22
    MSB Discrete
    Shunyata Alpha V2 power cables, ICís and speaker cables

    The cables brought this entire system to a whole new level I must say. I would take this system to the show and win best of show, Iím telling you.

    Iíll try to make some videos next week.


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    Re: Every once in a while...

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    So do you agree with Puma Cat's "advice" that if someone wanted to buy all of the gear in your "Every once in a while" system but couldn't swing the money for the full loom of Shunyata cables they should purchase cheaper gear so they could afford the full loom of Shunyata cables?
    I think if I was moving down in electronics and speakers, I think I would move down the line to Delta V2 too. There are a million possibilities with the funds, I was just thinking what products were at the same level for balance. I donít think I would put Omegaís on a SimAudio ACE and a pair of Harbeth P3ESR, nor would I put Venom on M6ís and Boulder monos. Proper proportion and balance is key.


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    Re: Every once in a while...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I think if I was moving down in electronics and speakers, I think I would move down the line to Delta V2 too. There are a million possibilities with the funds, I was just thinking what products were at the same level for balance. I donít think I would put Omegaís on a SimAudio ACE and a pair of Harbeth P3ESR, nor would I put Venom on M6ís and Boulder monos. Proper proportion and balance is key.


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    Seems to me that Mike has found a system which has synergy and sounds good. Sure - maybe some tweaks to improve. And yes, not cheap. But a great base to start with/upgrade to. Super cool to have someone (Mike) playing with toys we all love and putting his balls on the line and suggesting a system. Love it.
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    Re: Every once in a while...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I think if I was moving down in electronics and speakers, I think I would move down the line to Delta V2 too. There are a million possibilities with the funds, I was just thinking what products were at the same level for balance. I donít think I would put Omegaís on a SimAudio ACE and a pair of Harbeth P3ESR, nor would I put Venom on M6ís and Boulder monos. Proper proportion and balance is key.


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    Your approach makes way more sense than Puma Catís approach that youíre better off buying less expensive gear and lashing them up with very expensive cables.
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    Re: Every once in a while...

    Mike,

    It has been hinted at but I will make it formal. Your thoughts on achieving almost the same performance level for a lot less money by using an integrated amplifier (Pass Labs or other). Reduces electronics cost and eliminates one power cord and pair of interconnects.

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    Re: Every once in a while...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzie View Post
    Mike,

    It has been hinted at but I will make it formal. Your thoughts on achieving almost the same performance level for a lot less money by using an integrated amplifier (Pass Labs or other). Reduces electronics cost and eliminates one power cord and pair of interconnects.
    Actually twice the number stated that since a pair of mono blocks and a preamp would be consolidated into a single integrated.

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    Re: Every once in a while...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzie View Post
    Mike,

    It has been hinted at but I will make it formal. Your thoughts on achieving almost the same performance level for a lot less money by using an integrated amplifier (Pass Labs or other). Reduces electronics cost and eliminates one power cord and pair of interconnects.
    Like with anything, you can always cut corners and get the cost down, but in doing so, you will cut performance. The X260.8/XP22 outperform the INT250 by a fair margin. I think as good as the INT250 is, the separates just bring much more to the table and I think the magic is in the preamp. You could get close with a 250.8/XP12 combo, but again, monos to stereo and dual box pre to single box. Youíre giving up quite a bit in performance and the savings are not a mountain.

    You also just cant compare a two box preamp to a built in the amp preamp. We are talking about a delta here of less than $10k for the monos/pre vs preamp vs the integrated. Yes, I understand the cables add up fast, but the point here is that youíre going from a one box to monos/two box preamp for under $10k. Thatís quite a jump in performance for not a lot more in todayís world.

    That being said, integrated amps make sense today for those looking to save space and money on electronics and cables and yes, you could do an INT-250 with the A5ís, Shunyata Alpha V2 cables and achieve wonderful performance.

    The kicker here is just how good the Pass X260.8/XP22 combo is, for not crazy money. Itís sort of throwing the whole price to performance ratio out of whack.
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    Re: Every once in a while...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I think if I was moving down in electronics and speakers, I think I would move down the line to Delta V2 too. There are a million possibilities with the funds, I was just thinking what products were at the same level for balance. I donít think I would put Omegaís on a SimAudio ACE and a pair of Harbeth P3ESR, nor would I put Venom on M6ís and Boulder monos. Proper proportion and balance is key.


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    Although at least a few posters seem to think that something like a Delta loom might be more in balance and proportion to the rest of the system than the Alpha loom. That would be my initial impression too, but I really donít have the experience with the other components here to make a judgement
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    Re: Every once in a while...

    Too bad dealers here won't demo any Shunyata stuff. I'd like to in-home demo for myself to help me choose the best option. I can't even demo in-store let alone at home. When I first contacted my local Shunyata dealer the salesman didn't know they were a Shunyata dealer, and didn't even know what Shunyata was. I had to explain it. Anyway, that is the level of local dealer interest in the brand in this market.
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    Re: Every once in a while...

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    TWhen I first contacted my local Shunyata dealer the salesman didn't know they were a Shunyata dealer, and didn't even know what Shunyata was. I had to explain it.
    utterly funny to read, lol.
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    Re: Every once in a while...

    how do you like your new rack btw?
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    Re: Every once in a while...

    I haven't installed my new YG Acoustics Rack 1.4 yet. I took delivery about a month ago and haven't got around to the challenge yet.
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