Thread: Broke my S5s last night.

Originally Posted by sharkmouth

Sanders Magtech Monos baby, 2000w @ 4ohm/230v, mighty fine, mighty fine!!!!!

Have you heard this combo? I don't think the Magtech amp would be particularly good combo with the S5.

Guys,
You think the Evo900 is too much for my SF Toys ?

Originally Posted by wizard

Don't just look at watt output also look at the output current.

X600.5 not that powerful with only 36A current, the newer X600.8 more powerful at 50A.

How much difference would the extra 14A make? The max amp of my XA160.8's is also 50A and I am now running S5's so I'm curious.

Originally Posted by highEndguy

Guys,
You think the Evo900 is too much for my SF Toys ?

A perfect match, IMO, Nelson!

Originally Posted by socfan12

A perfect match, IMO, Nelson!

+1 . The thing is, small speakers are so much more difficult to drive than monsters.

Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001

+1 . The thing is, small speakers are so much more difficult to drive than monsters.

Not really. Yes, they're generally less efficient, but are usually more low frequency and SPL limited.

Originally Posted by audio.bill

Your electronics should be fine, I've never heard of an amp being damaged when pushed past its limits into clipping. Too bad the same isn't true for speakers but you learned that lesson the hard way, as many of us have also done over the years!

My HK 3490 survived the assault my girlfriend gave my towers which ended the life of the tweeters. Then again only way to test the electronics is to hook up a pair of speakers, Bluefox, got any cheapies stuffed into a closet to use as sacrificial items just in case ?

Originally Posted by nbrowser

Bluefox, got any cheapies stuffed into a closet to use as sacrificial items just in case ?

I have four LSi15s standing around gathering dust. At first I was going to hook two up, but then I thought I will just keep the Pass amps turned off, and build up my solar credit for this winter.

Originally Posted by BlueFox

I have four LSi15s standing around gathering dust. At first I was going to hook two up, but then I thought I will just keep the Pass amps turned off, and build up my solar credit for this winter.

I swear...when I get a passport...I'm comin to your house, take a listen to them Magico's...and smuggle a pair of those LSi15s...

Tomorrow is the day. Pick them up, bring them home, hook them up, and start breaking jn the new drivers. Hopefully, nothing like this happens again for a long, long time.

Congratulations Bud. So happy you will be back in the saddle.

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Bud needs a volume that only goes to eleven.
Seems like all's well that ends well.
Better luck with them now.

cheers,

AJ

Well, I am now back in business. They are in place and have been warming up for over an hour. So far I cannot detect any difference between the two. I didn't check to see which one was repaired. I want to try and determine which one was repaired, and I have a 50/50 chance of getting it right.

This time I have them in the same locations, but more toed in directly to my seat, wheras before they were slightly more angled outward. Sounding good so far.

I have to admit this was a stupid, and expensive exercise. What a pain. However, I want to thank Alon, Dave, and the rest of the Magico team for their hospitality, and making this as painless as possible. Thanks guys.

I guess Friday night I will find out if these new drivers can handle Pass power. Just kidding.

Great news Bud! Glad it worked out. Lesson learned.

Just sit back and enjoy Bud.

It's like nothing ever happened now. Enjoy!

Originally Posted by catmonv

How bad is the Pass x600.5 when it comes to your monthly electricity expenditure if you do not have the solar power?

Terrible with tiered CA electricity rates. These amps are one year old now. I used them around 2-3 weeks last July for billing purposes, and my electricty was $400 for July. That was double the previous July. That also includes the increased AC use. I ordered solar in August, and became a generator in September.

I'm glad you got them playing again Bud !!

Enjoy them, and try not to blow them up again.

Or just buy a pair of these and rock on with the comfort of Power Guard.

Originally Posted by catmonv

Wow, I am thinking, or just dreaming of getting the x350.5. The high electricity bill just turns me off. So I guess for the electricity bill may be on the $200-250 plus AC if I decide to get the x350.5. Maybe I will stick with my x250 for the moment.

It’s like when you buy a high-end performance car; you don’t ask what’s the MPG.

Originally Posted by BlueFox

Terrible with tiered CA electricity rates. These amps are one year old now. I used them around 2-3 weeks last July for billing purposes, and my electricty was $400 for July. That was double the previous July. That also includes the increased AC use. I ordered solar in August, and became a generator in September.

Do you keep them on 24/7?

Originally Posted by Mike

Or just buy a pair of these and rock on with the comfort of Power Guard.

He'll have to put up a wind turbine just to power those!

Originally Posted by Audioseduction

Do you keep them on 24/7?

When I first bought them I followed the same pattern as with my previous amps. Turn on when I came home from work, off at bedtime. However, on Thursday nights they were turned on, and not turned off until bedtime Sunday night. That only lasted a few weeks. Now, for weekends, I turn them on Friday morning before leaving for work, and then off whenever I go to bed Saturday morning. Then on again when I get up on Saturday, and off when I go to bed Sunday morning. They seem to reach close to max sound quality after about five hours, so I can live without the 100% sound quality achieved by leaving them on continuously.

Originally Posted by BlueFox

When I first bought them I followed the same pattern as with my previous amps. Turn on when I came home from work, off at bedtime. However, on Thursday nights they were turned on, and not turned off until bedtime Sunday night. That only lasted a few weeks. Now, for weekends, I turn them on Friday morning before leaving for work, and then off whenever I go to bed Saturday morning. Then on again when I get up on Saturday, and off when I go to bed Sunday morning. They seem to reach close to max sound quality after about five hours, so I can live without the 100% sound quality achieved by leaving them on continuously.

I usually turn them on around 3-4pm and turn them off around 10pm Monday-Thursday. For the weekend I turn them on Friday morning and turn them off Sunday night when I go to bed. My electric bill for them is around $75.

Originally Posted by jap

Bud,

When you were at Magico, did you happen to notice what brand of speaker cables they use in their listening room?

No. I considered asking about the gear, cables, etc., but decided to just listen, and leave that part out of my questions. I did make a comment to Alon there are people who say such and such amp is best with Magico, and he basically shrugged it off with a comment about personal preferance, or something along that line.

I picked up the repaired speaker, and it's undamaged sibling, on Monday. Every night I have been playing either string quartets from my classical playlist on random shuffle, or Patricia Barber, to exercise all drivers. So far, I cannot tell a difference between left and right. I haven't yet checked to see which speaker was repaired, and am trying to determine if I can tell. Not yet anyway. They look and sound the same.


Anyway, it is Friday night, and the end of another hectic workweek, so that means some beer along with rock and roll. I downloaded Tom Petty's latest, Hypnotic Eye, the other night and am listening now. Sounds great, even at only 48/24, and playing in the mid to high 70s.


One good thing that came out if this is I can now do minor positioning tweaks with the speakers by myself. You just need to balance them on one spike and slightly rotate to wherever you want. Currently, they are in an isosceles triangle with me at the top. This is actually giving a very solid sound stage with excellent L/R separation when appropriate. I think the S5s are sounding better than before I broke them, but that is probably 99.9% mental.


Anyway, as the night goes on, the volume will go up. Certainly not into "break my tweeter and mid-range" territory, but at least into the high 90s (sounds like a weather report). Maybe then I can tell which one was repaired, but I wouldn't bet money on that.

Bud - so glad everything worked out. Great service by Magico and a valuable lesson learned.

Originally Posted by BlueFox

I picked up the repaired speaker, and it's undamaged sibling, on Monday. Every night I have been playing either string quartets from my classical playlist on random shuffle, or Patricia Barber, to exercise all drivers. So far, I cannot tell a difference between left and right. I haven't yet checked to see which speaker was repaired, and am trying to determine if I can tell. Not yet anyway. They look and sound the same.


Anyway, it is Friday night, and the end of another hectic workweek, so that means some beer along with rock and roll. I downloaded Tom Petty's latest, Hypnotic Eye, the other night and am listening now. Sounds great, even at only 48/24, and playing in the mid to high 70s.


One good thing that came out if this is I can now do minor positioning tweaks with the speakers by myself. You just need to balance them on one spike and slightly rotate to wherever you want. Currently, they are in an isosceles triangle with me at the top. This is actually giving a very solid sound stage with excellent L/R separation when appropriate. I think the S5s are sounding better than before I broke them, but that is probably 99.9% mental.


Anyway, as the night goes on, the volume will go up. Certainly not into "break my tweeter and mid-range" territory, but at least into the high 90s (sounds like a weather report). Maybe then I can tell which one was repaired, but I wouldn't bet money on that.

What a coincidence: tonight I downloaded and have been playing Tom Petty's latest and it sounds awesome.

My S5's have changed a fair bit in the last week. I have been playing them 24/7 with some deep techno and I am now getting a lot more bass than when I first got them.

Originally Posted by Mike

Bud - so glad everything worked out. Great service by Magico and a valuable lesson learned.

+1

Originally Posted by Mike

Bud - so glad everything worked out. Great service by Magico and a valuable lesson learned.

+1 and thanks Bud for not only sharing this - but for being so transparent about it. We can all learn from this.

I think we can close this thread now. I am very happy with the results. Yes indeed, Magico did a great job fixing the problem. I sure am glad they are local, since that made this process a lot easier.

They must have some good electronics in their crossover to not have incurred any damage. I guess the drivers act as a fuse to prevent crossover damage.