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March 7, 2021, 02:36 PM #1
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After the M9, what's next for Magico?
What's everyone predicting? Doesn't have to be in 2021.
A series seems complete.
I'm guessing the S line will be updated to Mk3.
M1 to replace the Q1
Anyone else ?
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March 7, 2021, 03:43 PM #2
Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
I’m wondering the same thing. Guessing M1? S7 mk2?
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March 7, 2021, 04:21 PM #3
Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
I would expect a M3 Mk2.
Ken"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
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March 7, 2021, 04:48 PM #4
Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
Being retired, I would like to see price reductions.
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Sony XA-5400ES SACD
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Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson four shelf maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits.
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March 7, 2021, 07:06 PM #5
Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
I thought they just increased prices!
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Amplification: MBL 6010D, MBL 9008A Monos
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Phono Pre: Pass XP-27
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Speakers: MBL 101E MKII
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Conditioner: Shunyata Triton 3
Power Cables: Shunyata Sigma 1 & 2, Alpha 2, Delta and Venom
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Rack: Artesania Exoteryc
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March 7, 2021, 07:24 PM #6
Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
I don't think we will ever see S7 mk 2, as the S7 already used all the technologies from S3 mk 2 / S5 mk 2, apart from the convex top. I have even talked about this with Alon Wolf when S3/S5 came as mk 2 models, but I got an impression he didn't want to piss of the current S7 owners or his dealers. That was at a time Magico was getting a lot of beating for changing their models too frequently.
IMO they may want to introduce the new aluminum heneycomb midrange diaphram from the A5 in the next S series.
M3 mk 2 with a full CF monocock (based on the M2 and M6 models) is also likely. We may also see the heneycomb diaphram tech introduced here.Adam
Speakers: Magico M3
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March 8, 2021, 08:22 AM #7
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Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
I've read similar , as of 3/1/21.
The A5 was the best buy (IMHO) of all high end audio at is previous price.
I'm not in the market so, I dare won't ask what the A5 is now.
I bet these increases are to make way for the S Mark 3 line.
Magico seems to bring out a loudspeaker, then increases prices across the board a year a or so later.
That being said, if one was buying a Magico, it make sense to buy it in the initial launch window.
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March 8, 2021, 08:27 AM #8
After the M9, what's next for Magico?
As of March 1:
A-Series
A1 pair SRP $ 8,600
A3 pair SRP $ 13,800
A5 pair SRP $ 24,800
ACC each SRP $ 7,600
ASUB each SRP $ 7,200
S-Series (M-Cast and M-Coat)
S1 Mk II SRP $ No Change
S3 Mk II SRP $ No Change * Out of Stock / 6-month delay
S5 Mk II SRP $ No Change
S7 Mk II SRP $ No Change
SCC SRP $ No Change
SSUB SRP $ No Change
M-Series (w/ MPOD)
M2 pair SRP $ 68,600
M3 SRP $ No Change
M6 SRP $ No Change
M9 SRP $ No Change
Q-Series
QSUB15 SRP $ No Change
QSUB18 SRP $ No Change
Magico explained that market conditions over the past year affected raw material costs: Neodymium (+ 68%), Copper (+ 26%), Aluminum (+ 11%) and Iron (+ 77%). In addition, freight costs for inbound parts shipments to Magico increased by (+ 47% average) for Air freight and (+ 25% average) for Ocean freight.
Magico gave all dealers a month to wrap things up at the old pricing. That was helpful. We ordered 3 pairs of A5’s at old pricing for inventory. We also sold a lot of A1’s, A3’s and A5’s for folks who were on the fence.
We are seeing price increases across the board from Magico, Boulder, Shunyata, Harbeth (40.3’s are now nearly $25K) and others. Then MSB price decreases.My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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March 8, 2021, 08:37 AM #9
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Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
Thanks for sharing Mike.
I see room under the for M2 for an M1 speaker.
Given that the S line has no price increase and the S3 is out of stock.
I'm betting the Mark 3 series is launched in 2021.
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March 8, 2021, 05:54 PM #10
Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
Thx for the details Mike. The shocker to me is the Harbeth 40.3s at $25K!
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Amplification: MBL 6010D, MBL 9008A Monos
Analog: Kuzma R, Kuzma 4Point (11”), MSL Ultra Eminent EX
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March 8, 2021, 06:28 PM #11
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March 9, 2021, 05:03 AM #12
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Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
Speakers: Magico M3, ACC, S-SUB | Electronics: Esoteric Grandioso stack | Amplification: Halcro |
Analog cables: Crystal Cable | Digital cables: Shunyata Sigma | Rack: YG Acoustics Rack 1.8
| Source: Kaleidescape Premiere (4 x 6TB) | Power: Shunyata Typhon-QR, Everest and Denali
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March 9, 2021, 09:34 AM #13
Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
In my opinion, Magico’s biggest challenge is their speaker line updates keeping pace with their technological updates. For instance, the A5, a loudspeaker in their lowest line has more advanced speaker cone technology than all of their “S” line and nearly all of their “M” line (excluding the M9).
While it would be nice to see them update from the top down, starting with the M6, it would probably make better economic sense to update the “A” and “S” lines first, as these updates could be completed without any changes to the existing speaker cabinet design. With the “M” line, they will probably want to update each cabinet by changing the sides to carbon - aluminum honeycomb - carbon sandwich to reduce their carbon costs. The M3 will require the biggest update because it will need to move to the monocoque cabinet and get the new sides too.
Ken"No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
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Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
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March 9, 2021, 09:37 AM #14
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Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
There won't be an upgrade path for M3 owners like there was for Q7 owners. The technology has come too far in that time.
Speakers: Magico M3, ACC, S-SUB | Electronics: Esoteric Grandioso stack | Amplification: Halcro |
Analog cables: Crystal Cable | Digital cables: Shunyata Sigma | Rack: YG Acoustics Rack 1.8
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March 9, 2021, 10:00 AM #15
After the M9, what's next for Magico?
I really don’t see the M3 needing/getting an update any time soon. I just don’t. At least for 2-3 years, if not more. The M3 was just reviewed and received a stellar rating.
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March 9, 2021, 10:07 AM #16
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Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
i'm guessing that their dealer feedback on customer intentions will be a significant factor driving this process. they might need to slow walk things (tech advances) for proper buying cycles and not mess too much with the price/value equation. Wilson faces the same issues.
my comments are not intended to be cynical, just reality. in the car business hitting product cycle tech advances (with a 4-5 year major model change planning process) just right is everything. a company is betting billions with a 'B'.my system on Audiogon; https://www.audiogon.com/systems/615
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March 9, 2021, 03:53 PM #17
Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
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March 9, 2021, 08:04 PM #18
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March 10, 2021, 08:34 PM #19
Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
A3 is 14k now ? Wow. I remember it was 10k just 2-3 years ago.
Adam
Speakers: Magico M3
Amp: Dagostino Momentum Stereo
Digital: Lampi Horizon + Lampi DSD Komputer
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March 10, 2021, 08:46 PM #20
Re: After the M9, what's next for Magico?
Yes. When it was $9990 we were really seeing some different customers. Folks really stretching to upgrade from their PSB’s and Paradigms and Focal Aria’s and Revels and similar.
Once it got over $10k, we didn’t see as much as that.
I think the A5 remains the killer product for the money.My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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