Teaser

**Mike** · March 10, 2017, 11:56 AM

Incredible App + Roon + MQA + DSD + high res PCM. Lumin will be the complete digital streaming solution.

**FDPDK** · March 10, 2017, 11:58 AM

Thats really amazing news, waouu.

**Mike** · March 10, 2017, 12:05 PM

Game changer news IMO.

**wklie** · March 10, 2017, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Excellent! Any idea of a time frame for getting certification? 3 months? 6 months?

I want to know too.

**nonesup** · March 10, 2017, 12:38 PM

Fantastic.
Then once the complete MQA decoding is performed on a Lumin A1, can it be sent by SPDIF to an external DAC? Or Wolfson DACs are part of the decoding process.

**MDP** · March 10, 2017, 04:45 PM

Peter, can I ask something a little off topic?

I was a Linn DS owner in the past before I switched to my Lumin A1. The Lumin sounded superior to me.

One thing I admired about Linn was the product was not rendered obsolete when a new DAC implementation was presented. We were offered a board upgrade, for a fair price.

I have two questions. 1. Will Lumin be offering the same type of upgrade path in the future? 2. Is anything in the works for the near future?

Thanks!

**wklie** · March 10, 2017, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by nonesup

Fantastic.
Then once the complete MQA decoding is performed on a Lumin A1, can it be sent by SPDIF to an external DAC? Or Wolfson DACs are part of the decoding process.

The current plan is that there will be a setting for MQA to operate in analog output mode or digital output mode.

Analog output mode does Full Decoding. SPDIF is off. Case D.

Digital output mode does MQA Core decoding (like Tidal desktop app / Audirvana Plus 3) to any digital output port like SPDIF. Analog outputs are off. Case B or C in this article:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/co...mqa-civilians/

**wklie** · March 10, 2017, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by MDP

I have two questions. 1. Will Lumin be offering the same type of upgrade path in the future? 2. Is anything in the works for the near future?

1. I'm not involved in this kind of business decision of offering hardware upgrade. Presently, there is no upgrade option from a lower-priced Lumin to a higher-priced model. However, in the future, if enough dealers and customers ask for it, perhaps decision makers may think about it again. I don't know.

2. I'm not working on new Lumin product right now.

**Jack** · March 10, 2017, 11:40 PM

Peter

I think Mark is asking about the possibility of upgrading the DAC boards for a particular unit like like Schitt does. In some cases it is user replaceable and in others unit is sent back to factory like the recent Berkeley Ref. upgrade. W4S is in the middle of this process now with the new generation ESS DAC chips. All at a fixed cost to end user.

**wklie** · March 11, 2017, 12:35 AM

If/when there is a new product in the future, I think the business decision of offering a hardware upgrade to existing products need to be made by decision makers first. Only after that decision is made, can the implementation details of replacement of DAC board only / all circuit boards, method of DIY / ship to dealer / ship to factory, be ironed out.

**Jack** · March 11, 2017, 01:26 AM

Peter

I agree, just trying to clarify what I thought the intent of Mark's inquiry was. If it was different he can expound on his initial question.

**MDP** · March 11, 2017, 08:24 AM

With the Linn DS we were offered a board update that was dealer installed.

**Mike** · March 11, 2017, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by wklie

I couldn't find the stage designation in the article, so I assume that Stage 1 = No Decode; Stage 2 = Decode to MQA Core at 88.2/96kHz; Stage 3 = Full Decode.

Actually the most important difference between MQA Core signal at 88.2/96kHz and the full decoding (includes rendering) is this: the DAC-specific optimizations and whatever filters MQA apply in the rendering. I believe the final sample rate does not matter as much since 3rd party tests show that there's not much musical information above 60kHz.

By the way, people always ask for a software solution to do the full decoding without buying new hardware, that's just not possible because the rendering is tuned for individual DAC hardware. If a DAC manufacturer does not ship a DAC to MQA Ltd. for certification, there's no tuning data for the software to exist. If a DAC manufacturer ships a DAC for certification, then it gains the MQA decoding or rendering functionality, so there is no longer a need for the software to do full decoding.

https://www.caryaudio.com/2017/02/09...-mqa-playback/

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**wklie** · March 27, 2017, 04:37 AM

Work in progress (showing Roon)

**kimurastanley** · March 27, 2017, 06:55 AM

Can't wait!

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**Archon** · March 27, 2017, 01:05 PM

Wow! Really Nice! Good job!!!

Thanks!
Mike

**Mike** · March 27, 2017, 01:40 PM

Love it. Gold LUMIN? Gold IPad?

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**erniejade** · March 27, 2017, 01:55 PM

Awesome!!!!

**wklie** · March 27, 2017, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Love it. Gold LUMIN? Gold IPad?

My smartphone camera auto white balance is bad.

**Archon** · April 30, 2017, 07:27 AM

Hello Peter - Just checking how MQA is coming along?

Thanks!
Mike

**wklie** · May 2, 2017, 12:08 AM

Unfortunately, not as fast as we hoped.

**jerbil** · June 20, 2017, 12:34 PM

Hi Peter,

How is the progress of the MQA effort for Lumin going? Any particular challenges or issues you guys are trying to overcome?

Cheers!

Siao

**wklie** · June 20, 2017, 12:47 PM

Although not yet certified, we had S1 delivering MQA quality playback as demonstrated in Munich. I'm sorry there's not much else I can talk about, other than that I'd like to have this completed and released four months ago, but that's not controlled by us.

**nonesup** · June 20, 2017, 01:27 PM

Frankly, that's the impression he gives me as a user. That MQA is going too slow. They have created great excitement and yet they can end up boring consumers, with slowness in certifications.
Not to mention the speed at which new Warner MQA albums appear on Tidal. Of Universal, who signed with Tidal, I have not yet seen any ....

**CPP** · June 20, 2017, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by nonesup

Frankly, that's the impression he gives me as a user. That MQA is going too slow. They have created great excitement and yet they can end up boring consumers, with slowness in certifications.
Not to mention the speed at which new Warner MQA albums appear on Tidal. Of Universal, who signed with Tidal, I have not yet seen any ....

Francisco you nailed it.

**nonesup** · June 25, 2017, 03:03 PM

Hi.
I just entered the TIDAL section of the Lumin app and I only have 399 MQA disks! When, a few days ago appeared almost 700. Peter, has removed TIDAl disks, or is it a problem with the app?
Regards

**wklie** · June 26, 2017, 01:54 AM

It's not a problem, it's how Tidal wants it to work.

The top-level Tidal Masters album list is maintained by human editor(s) and only contains a small subset of all the masters album.

A community-maintained list of 2700+ masters album can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1207026806

**wklie** · July 3, 2017, 10:21 PM

While there is no status update from me, here's an interesting status update from another manufacturer:
http://www.psaudio.com/forum/directs...age-35/#p74448

**Mike** · July 4, 2017, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by wklie

While there is no status update from me, here's an interesting status update from another manufacturer:
http://www.psaudio.com/forum/directs...age-35/#p74448

It will be interesting. How is Lumin coming along with MQA?

**wklie** · July 4, 2017, 12:24 PM

Still waiting...

**CPP** · July 4, 2017, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by wklie

Still waiting...

**CPP** · July 8, 2017, 09:58 AM

**Mike** · July 8, 2017, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by CPP

Any first impressions Chris?

**kimurastanley** · July 8, 2017, 10:12 AM

Is there update already?

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**CPP** · July 8, 2017, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by kimurastanley

Is there update already?

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Its in beta

**kimurastanley** · July 8, 2017, 10:38 AM

How is it? I have been waiting for so long. Haha

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**CPP** · July 8, 2017, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Any first impressions Chris?

Well I just started listening. Just letting the system warm up before I get to actually listening,.

Not sure f the firmware changed the way masters are found now via the Lumin app, but maybe I missed it, but the Masters has its own icon in Tidal via the Lumin app and you click it and it brings up 459 masters albums, I though there were more, hum.
In the Lumin options, there is now a MQA Mode: where one can select Analog Output, OFF, Digital Out, Passthrough
What's nice , I don't need a stinking PC.

, listening to some CSN via MQA

**wklie** · July 8, 2017, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by CPP

the Masters has its own icon in Tidal via the Lumin app and you click it and it brings up 459 masters albums, I though there were more, hum.

The Masters category is edited by human and contains only a small portion of all the Masters albums. For a comprehensive list with 2700+ albums, check out the community maintained spreadsheet here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1207026806

**CPP** · July 8, 2017, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by wklie

The Masters category is edited by human and contains only a small portion of all the Masters albums. For a comprehensive list with 2700+ albums, check out the community maintained spreadsheet here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1207026806

Thanks Peter

**soundqcar** · July 8, 2017, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by CPP

It's hotter than a snakes ass here......but THAT is VERY cool!

**CPP** · July 8, 2017, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by wklie

The Masters category is edited by human and contains only a small portion of all the Masters albums. For a comprehensive list with 2700+ albums, check out the community maintained spreadsheet here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1207026806

Peter on that spreadsheet, the first tab, (2700) what are columns C, D, E, F and what do they mean.

Second tab, ( Tidal MQA ) column E .

**CPP** · July 8, 2017, 12:40 PM

. duplicate

**wklie** · July 9, 2017, 10:35 PM

Regarding the spreadsheet columns, I tried to find the answers from here but not successful:
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/dis...a-albums/17975

I guess some of the columns indicate regional availability (e.g. UK).

By the way, when I tried to do more testing, I picked this Masters album:

Although I'm sure it suits the mood of the movie well, I found this is probably not for a relaxing listening for my taste.

**CPP** · July 10, 2017, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by wklie

Regarding the spreadsheet columns, I tried to find the answers from here but not successful:
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/dis...a-albums/17975

I guess some of the columns indicate regional availability (e.g. UK).

By the way, when I tried to do more testing, I picked this Masters album:

Although I'm sure it suits the mood of the movie well, I found this is probably not for a relaxing listening for my taste.

I'll play that today
I

**nonesup** · July 12, 2017, 01:04 PM

Hi.
After being tested the Beta version of the Lumin application able to fullydevelop MQA, I write my impressions.

The records have all been classical music.

First, there is a big difference between different disks, some improve morethan others after the MQA process.

As the expectations created were very high, perhaps the first impressions werea bit disappointing.
However as you listen more time, you understand where itis, the authentic strength of MQA. Digital stress is greatly diminished so much, so that you note that you do notdistract yourself with the music, you are focused on it. It is very curiousbecause this phenomenon happens even between the fully developed version andthe 24-bit 48 Khz version that we all had in Lumin. You ask, but if there isnot so much objectively between the two versions, how is it that with the fullydeveloped have much more musical pleasure ......?

**jerbil** · July 12, 2017, 01:27 PM

Thanks for the feedback - this sounds really interesting. How could one get involved in the Beta program? I feel like I could definitely help offer some insight as well.

Thank you!

Siao

**nonesup** · July 12, 2017, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by jerbil

Thanks for the feedback - this sounds really interesting. How could one get involved in the Beta program? I feel like I could definitely help offer some insight as well.

Thank you!

Siao

Peter got in touch with me

**erniejade** · July 12, 2017, 03:01 PM

So your inpressions seem to mirror Mike's. More musical and easier to listen to with less digital edge?

**nonesup** · July 12, 2017, 04:03 PM

Yes, that's my impression

**Ritmo** · July 12, 2017, 07:05 PM

PS - Will MQA be enabled only with Roon or organically within the S-1?

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