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April 16, 2020, 04:58 PM #1
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A question about MQA
Hey there. Hope you are fine during these crazy times. I have a question about MQA that I did not have a chance to ask before.
Let’s say we have a MQA album FLAC 24b 48k and completely unfolding it will deliver 96k like for example the last Tony Allen album on Tidal “Rejoice” (amazing album by the way, I completely encourage you to listen to it).
I understand that core decoding of MQA will deliver 96k anyway right? So what would bring the 3rd unfold for these albums MQA encoded in 48k or 44k and expected to deliver 88k or 96k?
On the other hand I understand an MQA file encoded in order to deliver 192k for example cannot deliver these 192k without an MQA renderer.
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April 16, 2020, 05:11 PM #2
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Re: A question about MQA
Another remark
What’s the purpose of MQAing in 48k FLAC files in 24b and 48k?
Isn’t the purpose of MQA of showing downsampled files and upsampling them with the different degrees of unfolding?
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April 16, 2020, 06:06 PM #3
Re: A question about MQA
I’m still trying to figure out why the digital audio world needs MQA. It’s a lossy format plain and simple with a confusing array of musical laundry that needs to be unfolded. Some people love them some MQA so I guess that’s all that matters.
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April 16, 2020, 06:30 PM #4
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Re: A question about MQA
From what I understood, MQA’s goal was to provide the listener with “hi-resolution” tracks without using too much bandwidth.
But consumers soon realized that MQA is not bit-perfect (it is lossy) plus it is possible to stream bit-perfect high resolution files (think Qobuz, Amazon Music HD, etc.).
MQA could be useful when streaming for someone who lives in a place where there is limited bandwidth or internet speed.
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April 17, 2020, 06:46 AM #5
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Hi there. Are u sure MQA is lossy after unfold? When I play MQA with Roon, the Roon signal says it is lossless
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April 17, 2020, 06:52 AM #6
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Re: A question about MQA
Is the badge HiRes on files dispatched by music streaming companies payable? I mean Qobuz has to pay something to the company owner of HiRes certificate?
Maybe Tidal has not HiRes certification so its files even in Flac 24b 48k cannot show the HiRes badge
Instead Tidal has MQA franchise so its files FLAC 24b 48k MQAed in 48k can show the MQA badge. And after all, for a file encoded in 24b 48k, it is better to show a badge (eg MQA here) rather than no badge at all
Pure speculation and deductions from me. Nothing is proven in what I say
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April 17, 2020, 08:22 AM #7
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April 17, 2020, 08:25 AM #8
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April 17, 2020, 08:31 AM #9
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April 17, 2020, 08:58 AM #10
Re: A question about MQA
We can do verbal jujitsu, but MQA is classified as a lossy format. From Wikipedia: "In an interview for online publication Positive Feedback, engineer Andreas Koch is critical of MQA due to its lossy algorithms and compression, along with its licensing requirements; also saying that a format such as this "does not solve any problem that the world currently has."[19] Koch was involved in the creation of the Super Audio CD, the development of the Direct Stream Digital codec, and is co-founder of audio product manufacturer Playback Designs."
Why in the world do we need a lossy digital format to complicate the playback of formally lossless digital music? I think Andreas Koch summed it up quite nicely when he said MQA does not solve any problem the world currently has.Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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April 17, 2020, 09:08 AM #11
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Dear mep, you know better thank trying to convince me with a Wikipedia quote.
Andreas Koch is a great guy, and I have greatly benefited from his work as previous owner a Meitner DAC, but it is not too long ago he was under fire himself for promoting DSD. Just read the Linn and other statements why it could not be any good. That was close to ten years ago. I have now a Linn Klimax for the summer house supporting DSD. Reason is always the same, there is something new, and people can’t get their head around it.
If you ask me, every digitalization is lossy. Therefore, lossless digital in itself is an oxymoron.
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April 17, 2020, 09:14 AM #12
Re: A question about MQA
Here’s an interesting one to ponder for everyone: if a file is upsampled to a higher bitrate, is it then high res, or is it the same low res in a larger package?
The amount of information does not change through upsampling. It just cannot.
My guess is our naming conventions are still evolving.
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April 17, 2020, 09:52 AM #13
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April 17, 2020, 09:54 AM #14
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Re: A question about MQA
So MQA?
Is it lossless or not according to generally accepted definition of lossless?
Roon is wrong claiming it is lossless?
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April 17, 2020, 09:56 AM #15
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April 17, 2020, 09:59 AM #16
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April 17, 2020, 10:13 AM #17
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Start doing some reading so you can form your own opinion. Here is one article that is interesting: https://www.hifiplus.com/articles/hi...-offering-mqa/
"From the HighResAudio Press Release:
HIGHRESAUDIO has stopped offering MQA. MQA is NOT lossless, the original signal is never recovered, estimate to recover at most 17bits (reduces the sampling rate), reduces the frequency range, SNR reduced by 3bit, aliasing with artifacts at 18kHz. MQA encoding filters manipulates drastically the original source. No analysis tools are available to verify the encoded MQA content. Therefore no quality control is possible."Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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April 17, 2020, 10:31 AM #18
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Re: A question about MQA
Mep is right. MQA is not lossless.
MQA is one big fat marketing lie, and its technical arguments have been exposed as fraud. The problems with it are discussed is this excellent article:
MQA: A Review of controversies, concerns, and cautions
Even the main argument for MQA, temporal de-blurring, may be flawed:
MUSINGS/MEASUREMENTS: On "blurring" and why MQA probably worsens transient smearing.
Another technical article by Benchmark Audio is useful as well:
Is MQA Dead on Arrival?
There is a whole 780 page thread on Audiophile Style (formerly "Computer Audiophile") where all the technical and marketing lies of MQA are discussed., but above reading, including the link provided by Mep, should suffice.
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April 17, 2020, 10:45 AM #19
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Re: A question about MQA
Naaah i don’t have the time for that much reading. But I tend to believe Roon when they say MQA is lossless
Anyway I make no difference when listening into my headphones which satisfy me very well between MQA, HiRes and CD - just like composers, engineers and other people who have done blindtests which were reported in newspapers
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April 17, 2020, 10:50 AM #20
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April 17, 2020, 11:00 AM #21
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The haters keep hating and we continue to have access to more MQA content each week. Over 25000 currently available.
I don't give a crap what MQA is doing but the end result is what counts and I have yet to come across a album where the MQA version sounds worse than the CD version. Where I have purchased both hi-rez versions and have access to the MQA version any differences aren't even worth worrying about which release might be better. I still haven't paid one penny extra for MQA content or hardware and I have saved myself from having to pay for hi-rez content. There is no downside to MQA.Jim
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April 17, 2020, 11:04 AM #22
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April 17, 2020, 11:30 AM #23
Re: A question about MQA
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April 17, 2020, 11:33 AM #24
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April 17, 2020, 11:56 AM #28
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April 17, 2020, 11:57 AM #29
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That is not what I said. (EDITED sentence follows) I stated that I have yet to find a MQA version of an album that is inferior to the CD version. (Over time some have stated that is because they are remastering the MQA . There is no way that the entire volume of MQA versions have been remastered for better sound but if some have then good, its free). When MQA was first readily available I did compare several albums where I had both hi-rez and access to MQA versions. There was no consistent result . Either could be better or no differences noticeable. I no longer pay much attention to which version Roon is offering up.
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April 17, 2020, 12:07 PM #31
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Huh?? Your original statement: I have yet to come across a album where the MQA version sounds worse than the CD version.
Your new statement: I stated that I have yet to find a CD version of an album that is inferior to the MQA version.
You can't have it both ways. I think your original statement is what you intended to say unless you really mean that you have yet to find a CD version of an album that is inferior to the MQA version.Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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April 17, 2020, 12:10 PM #32
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April 17, 2020, 12:14 PM #33
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Jim
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April 17, 2020, 12:22 PM #34
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Skbe, I’m not in the analog vs. digital discussion camp. I do enjoy both in my system, either at a rather high level. Therefore, I would not discriminate between digital and analog.
My advice would be, enjoy the music. Use the formats you like, explore and try out different things. To me personally, that is a lots of fun.
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Re: A question about MQA
Guys did you do a blindtest with asking a friend to select the same songs with different formats in a playlist?
Would be interesting to have some feedback
I did it 2 times years ago and recently:
- I did not recognize Spotify over Qobuz and Tidal every time but was correct for say 70% of the times
- Never recognized CD vs MQA vs HR. The times I did were due to guesses not choices
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April 17, 2020, 02:25 PM #43Jim
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April 17, 2020, 11:49 PM #45
Re: A question about MQA
Jim
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April 18, 2020, 07:13 AM #46
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April 18, 2020, 09:20 AM #47
Re: A question about MQA
This happens every time there's a new format, the investors go to war, it's like election years. The idea of streaming a small package that is opened at its destination to provide up to 3 times the data just sounds smarter than throwing out the information that doesn't fit. sending a 128kbps that opens to a 320 quality file at its playback source has to be a good thing when the majority never use anything more than their tablet or smart phone and spotify or tidal. This is the intended market for mqa.
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April 18, 2020, 09:31 AM #48
Re: A question about MQA
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April 18, 2020, 09:32 AM #49
Re: A question about MQA
Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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April 18, 2020, 09:37 AM #50
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Re: A question about MQA
It is!
(Although there is also some real 96/24 or 96/192.)
But this is too funny. I have been ridiculed here for still sticking to just CD by people who were praising the virtues of "high-res", but as you say for the most part (or at the least for a large part), they haven't listened with their "hi-res" to anything other than Redbook CD format anyway.
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And by the way, as you will note, I consistently put "high-res" in quotation marks: the name "high-res" ("high resolution format") is a misnomer as it implies that CD is not high resolution. That attitude is based on a misunderstanding of digital theory. And especially with recent advances in digital implementation, which come closer to ideal theory than in the past, this attitude also flies in the face of audible practical reality.
If you can't get extraordinarily high resolution from CD (physical or file format), in terms of timbral micro-detail, separation of instruments and quality of spatial information, something is lacking with your digital setup and your system.Simaudio Moon Neo 260 DT CD Transport / MIT SL-Matrix Plus AES/EBU digital cable / Schiit Yggdrasil Analog 2 DAC / Octave HP 700 preamp / Octave RE 320 stereo amp with Super Black Box / Reference 3A Reflector monitors on Sound Anchors Signature Stands / dual JL Audio Fathom 112 v2 subwoofers on ASC SubTraps / ZenWave Audio D4 and SMSG cables / Acoustic treatment: tube traps, Tri-panels, window plugs, ceiling diffusers (all ASC), large absorbing panels (Acoustics First), diverse carpets chosen for acoustic properties: wool, polypropylene basket-weave
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