Thread: Lumin X1 Review

Peter, that review is about as positive as they come. Congrats!

Hi , WKLIE and every one

I am new here, I have learned about Audioshark from an Audiogon member.
WKLIE has been recommended to me for Lumin questions.
I have just bought a LuminX1. I will receive it in a week.
Anybody has a suggestion for a headphone Amplifier that would be fine with the LuminX1
The luminX1 will be used with an Acurus ACT4 HT processor ,using balanced cables.
My headphones are Focal Clear.I use a balanced cable.
Should I choose one with a DAC (and using the digital input and XLR output )or choose one with only analog XLR input and output.
Suggestions would be appreciated because , I quite a bit lost .
I looking for the best solution for quality audio playback .

thanks

Thanks Joe
Happy to join

Pierre

My first day with Lumin X1
A supprise, a USB key can be used for music playback.
I though it was a output connection only .
I will try to use this input with my laptop and JRiver in the future.
I have to get use to the Lumin app....

Peter, just got an X1 and it sounds fantastic! Running it straight into my amp and it is too loud. Any chance that a future firmware will allow lowering the output voltage to various levels to match amp?

Problem solved by LEEDH volume control!
Thank you Peter!!!

hi Peter

From people's feedback, do you think playing stored music (e.g. on L1) sounds better than streaming since it does not depend on the internet? Is it a clear improvement?

thanks, Jay

Originally Posted by wklie

Whenever people report streaming SQ degradation over local files, there are two paths that can be tried:
1. Fiber isolation (native to the X1)
2. LPS for the network modem, router, switches, etc.

I tried fiber. I don't find that it is any better than ethernet. Also, like many people, streamed music sounds better late at night when the RF interference over the internet is lower. I would think local files wouldn't be as affected.

Originally Posted by wklie

Whenever people report streaming SQ degradation over local files, there are two paths that can be tried:
1. Fiber isolation (native to the X1)
2. LPS for the network modem, router, switches, etc.

Exactly right, Peter. My experience is 100% concordant with yours...

BTW, the P1 is here....



And...I will say it was pretty cool to be able to connect it with not one, but TWO less digital cables...no need for an Ethernet nor a USB cable.

Went straight into the optical port via fiber with my SFP optical transceiver.

"Yeah, baby, yeah!" - Austin Powers, International Man of Mystery

Originally Posted by chungjh

I tried fiber. I don't find that it is any better than ethernet. Also, like many people, streamed music sounds better late at night when the RF interference over the internet is lower. I would think local files wouldn't be as affected.

No RF interference when using optical fiber instead of...copper Ethernet.

In, other words, ∆ x E = ∂B/∂t....ain't happenin'!

Ain't physics...grand?

That guy James Clerk Maxwell had it...goin' on! 😜

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

No RF interference when using optical fiber instead of...copper Ethernet.

In, other words, ∆ x E = ∂B/∂t....ain't happenin'!

Ain't physics...grand?

That guy James Clerk Maxwell had it...goin' on! 😜

I agree about the fiber and RFI but how about all RFI that entered the system before that.

Originally Posted by chungjh

I agree about the fiber and RFI but how about all RFI that entered the system before that.

That's what Shunyata products are for....

Watch these videos...
Shunyata Research Venom 14 Digital power cord demonstration - YouTube

V14D Demo Part 2 - YouTube

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

That's what Shunyata products are for....

Watch these videos...
Shunyata Research Venom 14 Digital power cord demonstration - YouTube

V14D Demo Part 2 - YouTube

Can you tell us your experience with Shunyata Venom 14 D? Shunyata has other digital PCs.

Originally Posted by chungjh

Can you tell us your experience with Shunyata Venom 14 D? Shunyata has other digital PCs.

The Venom V14D is an excellent power cable for use with products that reside entirely in the digital domain, providing significant noise reduction functionality for digital-only products, e.g. music servers, clocks, Ethernet switches, network bridges, network streamers, etc. You can observe first-hand, with data, the impact they have on reducing AC power-line noise....

Shunyata Research Venom 14 Digital power cord demonstration - YouTube

V14D Demo Part 2 - YouTube

The Venom V14D cable is the only Shunyata Research cable *currently in-production* that was specifically designed for components that reside entirely in the "digital domain". The foundation of this cable was based on a cable that was designed for Shunyata's sister company, Clear Image Scientific, which designs cables specifically to optimize digital imaging for medical imaging applications.

The other noise-reduction-based cables, e.g. the Venom NR v12, Venom NR v10, Delta NRv2, Alpha NRv2, Sigma NRv2, Omega QR, and Omega QR-s are noise-reduction cables designed for components that also function in the "analog" domain, e.g., DACs, CD players, phono stages, preamps, amps, etc. As such, the noise reduction filtering in these cables is somewhat different than the application-specific noise-filtering in the Venom V14D digital power cable, specifically because these cables (also) operate in the "analog domain". The other cable that was designed for use with DACs is the amazing Omega QR-s cable. But again, DACs reside, at their business end, in the....analog domain.

The XC series of cables are primarily designed as power cables for power distributors, specifically power distributors that provide noise-reduction functonality. Examples of these are the Omega XC, Sigma XC, Alpha XC, Delta XC, etc.

I have experience with all of them, so if you have specific questions about a particular PC, feel free to post them here. Cheers.

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

The Venom V14D is an excellent power cable for use with products that reside entirely in the digital domain, providing significant noise reduction functionality for digital-only products, e.g. music servers, clocks, Ethernet switches, network bridges, network streamers, etc. You can observe first-hand, with data, the impact they have on reducing AC power-line noise....

Shunyata Research Venom 14 Digital power cord demonstration - YouTube

V14D Demo Part 2 - YouTube

The Venom V14D cable is the only Shunyata Research cable *currently in-production* that was specifically designed for components that reside entirely in the "digital domain". The foundation of this cable was based on a cable that was designed for Shunyata's sister company, Clear Image Scientific, which designs cables specifically to optimize digital imaging for medical imaging applications.

The other noise-reduction-based cables, e.g. the Venom NR v12, Venom NR v10, Delta NRv2, Alpha NRv2, Sigma NRv2, Omega QR, and Omega QR-s are noise-reduction cables designed for components that also function in the "analog" domain, e.g., DACs, CD players, phono stages, preamps, amps, etc. As such, the noise reduction filtering in these cables is somewhat different than the application-specific noise-filtering in the Venom V14D digital power cable, specifically because these cables (also) operate in the "analog domain". The other cable that was designed for use with DACs is the amazing Omega QR-s cable. But again, DACs reside, at their business end, in the....analog domain.

The XC series of cables are primarily designed as power cables for power distributors, specifically power distributors that provide noise-reduction functonality. Examples of these are the Omega XC, Sigma XC, Alpha XC, Delta XC, etc.

I have experience with all of them, so if you have specific questions about a particular PC, feel free to post them here. Cheers.

I have Torus RM20 power conditioner which filters out noise >20K Hz. Would the Venom still beneficial over a standard PC?

Hi Peter,

My Lumin X1 is not responding to commands from my iPad. Is there a problem with the Lumin server? I have unplugged/plugged, rebooted my iPad, and reinstalled the Lumin app. Now the Lumin interface is blank. Help!

Jay

Originally Posted by wklie

Please power cycle the whole network of devices starting from the router, include Lumin and iPad, and NAS, etc.

This worked for me, recently, also.

Peter

That worked. I think rebooting EtherRegen was the key.

thanks, Jay

My friend has an Oppo CD player and wants to test the X1 DAC by playing it through X1. How do I do this?

Originally Posted by chungjh

My friend has an Oppo CD player and wants to test the X1 DAC by playing it through X1. How do I do this?

I think it depends on the model of the Oppo.

Does your friend have the...User Manual? Might be useful to..umm, read that.

Originally Posted by chungjh

My friend has an Oppo CD player and wants to test the X1 DAC by playing it through X1. How do I do this?

Not possible as there is no digital inputs in X1.

There are 2 digital outputs: usb and BNC.

Speaking of X1 digital outputs, anyone has idea which output is better?
Just wondering Lumin X1 USB port is optimised for digital audio?

I have generated a number of Qobuz playlists. However, I can't seem to get my X1 to continuously play the tracks on the playlist. After each track on the secondary play list, it goes back to my main play list. How do I get it to just play the tracks on the selected playlist?

@jmusica, when I wipe out that default play list, will that play list disappear for ever? I guess I should save the default playlist?

Originally Posted by wklie

A user told me he just bought P1 for USB output to his upscaler + DAC because P1 supports fiber network.

Yes, I could see someone doing that, for sure. If made a Lumin a U1 with an SFP cage for use with an optical transceiver, I'd be ALL OVER it (hint, hint ).

Originally Posted by kimurastanley

Not possible as there is no digital inputs in X1.

There are 2 digital outputs: usb and BNC.

There are digital inputs on X1, they're just not S/PDIF, or AES/EBU. There's USB, Ethernet, and an SFP cage for accepting an optical transceiver.

Originally Posted by jmusica

If you want to preserve any playlist you built, while loading a new playlist into the now-playing queue, there are 2 things you can do.

1. Save the current playlist permanently, with a new name
2. Add new songs individually to the current play queue, or add a whole playlist to the current play queue. You do this by long-pressing the playlist but select the choice with the arrow on top, and not the strike-out playlist below (it is just horizontal lines representing the playlist). This will add to the current song queue instead of replacing it. You can then save the whole thing - with the original playlist, plus any songs added individually, plus any playlists you’ve added, as a whole new playlist with a new name (like “Mega Playlist” or whatever). Saving with the new name means that the original playlist you added to the queue is not overwritten.

Hey Jon,
Can you use the Lumin L1 as a Roon Core for use with the X1/P1, etc?

Originally Posted by jmusica

Not that I'm aware of. It doesn't have an operating system per se, on which to install Roon Core or ROCK.

Okay, thanks, Jon.

Originally Posted by Puma Cat

There are digital inputs on X1, they're just not S/PDIF, or AES/EBU. There's USB, Ethernet, and an SFP cage for accepting an optical transceiver.

That is true. Just that it can’t be used as a DAC with Oppo CD player.


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