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    Lumin X1 Flagship Roon Ready Network Player

    The new Lumin X1 Flagship Roon Ready Network Player inherits (almost) all the features from S1 plus many improvements:

    Dual ES9038Pro
    DSD512
    Femto Clock
    New output stage
    New power supply
    Optical network (in addition to copper Ethernet network)
    XLR, RCA, BNC-SPDIF, USB audio output (*)

    The dynamics, imaging, and tonal quality are all improved from S1.

    More details to be shown in the website soon.

    * Only one output is active at any time.
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    Re: Lumin X1

    That looks really cool with the PSU , interesting.

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    Hi FDPDK - that's the new LUMIN Amp.
    There is also a PSU with the X1. It's entirely new. Solid-billet construction to match the main case. It's narrower though.

    • Lumin (solid aluminium chassis):

      • 350mm (W), 345mm (D), 60mm (H), 8kg

    • PSU (solid aluminium chassis):

      • 106mm (W), 334mm (D), 60mm (H), 4kg



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    Re: Lumin X1

    Thanks for clarification on that

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    Re: Lumin X1

    Quote Originally Posted by thingswelike View Post
    Hi FDPDK - that's the new LUMIN Amp.
    There is also a PSU with the X1. It's entirely new. Solid-billet construction to match the main case. It's narrower though.

    • Lumin (solid aluminium chassis):

      • 350mm (W), 345mm (D), 60mm (H), 8kg

    • PSU (solid aluminium chassis):

      • 106mm (W), 334mm (D), 60mm (H), 4kg



    Wow! POWER to the people. Cool.


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    Re: Lumin X1

    Looks great! Excited to hear more details!

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    Pricing should be interesting, can't wait
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    Re: Lumin X1

    The power supply for the X1 is HUGE.


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    Sorry for the confusion Bud - See my post above. That's not the power supply. That's the new LUMIN Amp.
    I've put a pic of the PSU a couple of posts up. It's the same height and construction method as X1, but narrower (similar width to your S1 PSU).
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    Re: Lumin X1

    Peter, do you use the filters that come with the ES9038 Pro ?, or implement yours in the FPGA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thingswelike View Post
    Sorry for the confusion Bud - See my post above. That's not the power supply. That's the new LUMIN Amp.
    I've put a pic of the PSU a couple of posts up. It's the same height and construction method as X1, but narrower (similar width to your S1 PSU).
    Thanks. Is black the new default color? Is silver now an extra cost color? My stereo has evolved over the years from all black, to all silver, and now is a mixture. LOL.

    Also, any PS improvements done over the S1 power supply? Others have posted that a moded S1 PS sounded better than the stock.
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    Yes, the Power Supply is an all-new design inside-and-out.
    I'm not 100% sure about X1 colour.
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    Re: Lumin X1

    Quote Originally Posted by nonesup View Post
    Peter, do you use the filters that come with the ES9038 Pro ?, or implement yours in the FPGA?
    That's a good and valid question, but I'm sorry that's confidential.
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    Re: Lumin X1

    I have seen near-final chassis of X1 in both silver and black, and I expect both colors will be available. However, these things are subject to change.

    X1 power supply is a significant improvement over the S1 power supply.
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    Well I'm sorry too.
    However, they are certainly in their right as manufacturers to keep it a secret. However, the non-publication of that information (Brinkmann does it with his Nyquist), makes customers tend to think that they do not do it because it is more expensive, because if they did, why not publicize it? and perhaps whoever thinks so, could be wrong.
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    Re: Lumin X1

    Hmmmm. 2 box, All Lumin system....

    Could be interesting. If it stands up to what I have now, I'd def consider it.
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    So, which one is the power supply?

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    Re: Lumin X1 Flagship Roon Ready Network Player

    Quote Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post
    So, which one is the power supply?
    The power supply is in post #4. It is not visible in post #2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    The power supply is in post #4. It is not visible in post #2.
    Thank you.

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    Re: Lumin X1

    Probably too early to know but if the power supply is much better. Can you use the new one on the S1?
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    Mike - I guess another digital component coming to Suncoast Audio?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    Mike - I guess another digital component coming to Suncoast Audio?
    I hope so. Trying to find out when the X1 will start shipping.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Am finding it hard to get excited about this TBH. A new Lumin reference DAC to compete with the Esoteric N-01, the new MSB Premiere etc. Just saying.
    Long term you may want to stick with Lumin Music Systems (They already OEM their Lumin Application and several analog/DAC technologies to other streamer companies), or MSB? Look up Gibson Guitars. They are the parent company of Esoteric/TASCAM/Philips, TEAC and Pioneer, among others. Gibson just went from junk bond status to becoming bankrupt. Once that happens, all subsidiaries become prime for divestiture which is not a good thing for customer service or product development.

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    Re: Lumin X1

    From Lumin's Facebook page: "New product prices haven't been finalised yet." & "we have a new website launch imminent"

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    Quote Originally Posted by the professor View Post
    Probably too early to know but if the power supply is much better. Can you use the new one on the S1?
    The connectors and the proprietary power supply cord are different from the S1 / A1 / T1 / U1 power supplies, but ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by audio.bill View Post
    From Lumin's Facebook page: "New product prices haven't been finalised yet." & "we have a new website launch imminent"
    Tentative MSRP for Europe (I think) and subject to change:
    http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...l=1#post238523

    I didn't post the price. Someone else did.
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    Re: Lumin X1

    I deleted my earlier post - for some reason I thought it was just a streamer with no DAC. I am very excited about this and will definitely add it to my shortlist of new DACs!
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    If the price of € 12,000 is confirmed for the X1, it would be a very pleasant surprise for me. After which, in my opinion, they made a mistake marking the S1 at € 11,500, I was hoping that now, to differentiate them, they would mark the X1 at at least € 16,000. The one that would mark it at €12,000 would be to go back to the pricing policy that started with the A1 that I think was a great price policy.
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    Re: Lumin X1

    Just read on another forum that the tentative US price for the Lumin X1 is $14,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonesup View Post
    If the price of € 12,000 is confirmed for the X1, it would be a very pleasant surprise for me. After which, in my opinion, they made a mistake marking the S1 at € 11,500, I was hoping that now, to differentiate them, they would mark the X1 at at least € 16,000. The one that would mark it at €12,000 would be to go back to the pricing policy that started with the A1 that I think was a great price policy.
    I'm not involved with pricing, so I'm not giving official figures, but I thought the LUMIN S1 price was reduced in 2016 to...
    <80,000HKD
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    Certainly worth double-checking with your local dealers anyway.
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    In case they have lowered it, this confirms my point that "slight" changes on the A1 with the sole objective of positioning it in the five-digit segment was not the right thing to do. It seems that in X1 if enough differences exist for that price to be justified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by audio.bill View Post
    Just read on another forum that the tentative US price for the Lumin X1 is $14,000.
    Too much.
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    It sure would be great if Lumin would do a trade in/upgrade program. I have an S1 and would definitely look at doing a trade in for an X1 (depending on what the X1 details are). Peter? See this post? ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by steinkrieg View Post
    It sure would be great if Lumin would do a trade in/upgrade program. I have an S1 and would definitely look at doing a trade in for an X1 (depending on what the X1 details are). Peter? See this post? ;-)
    Likewise, in my case a U1 > X1
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    Quote Originally Posted by audio.bill View Post
    Just read on another forum that the tentative US price for the Lumin X1 is $14,000.

    The price of gear these days, just keeps on getting higher and higher and higher,. No doubt its sounds awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by steinkrieg View Post
    It sure would be great if Lumin would do a trade in/upgrade program. I have an S1 and would definitely look at doing a trade in for an X1 (depending on what the X1 details are). Peter? See this post? ;-)
    Sorry, I haven't heard of any trade-in/upgrade program.
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    Well, maybe Lumin could think about it, since its architecture is not modular like MSB, Brinkmann Nyquist or Aqua Formula
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Too much.
    Just to expand on this since I work in the computer networking industry. The trend with technology is to get better performance, and at a lower price, every year. I would expect the S1 replacement to perform better, and be at the same, or lower price. It would not make any sense to sell both the X1 and the S1 at the same time, so arguing that the X1 is a new TOTL product is a non-starter.

    $10K would be a reasonable list price. IMO, of course.
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    Bud, I think it may be possible that the X1 will be presented as a higher level than the X1... I had assumed this... not sure. My main point is that some type of trade in for the S1 would be a fantastic way to continue to build loyalty amongst those who have been so loyal to Lumin and bought in to a product that is certainly on the high end in price when compared to many others out there. Yes, there are more expensive/exotic products... Yes, there are cheaper ones too. But, the S1 is a product people buy because 1) they have the budget 2) They are pretty deep in audiophile world, and have systems that can truly display the quality of the S1 sound.

    It just seems to me that Lumin would make a good move to invite early adoption of the X1 to it's most experienced and loyal users. These same users would be perfect to chime in on the X1, and help create online discussions that others will see and maybe be inclined to buy an X1 based on what I assume will be glowing comments from core members of the various forums (many in the know have the Lumin S1). At a price of around 14k for the X1 my mind starts thinking I should possibly look at other dacs streamer combos even if the two units are separate. That would help reduce the issues with technology changes to streamers that seem to be almost non stop these days. In that case you could get a great dac you love and change out streamers over time...

    Maybe the trade in could be similar, but of lower value, for those who have other Lumin products. It's just an idea, as creating true brand loyalty in audiophile world is not that easy... There is always another shiny new toy out there. The only other option for those who want to upgrade is to sell their current unit on the forums... I guess that is fine, but the market might flood for a little bit, and lower the perceived value of Lumin.

    Of course, it is Lumin's choice on how to run the company, and it's not like I would think they are bad folks for not offering something like this to loyal users... I'm just suggesting a way to deepen loyalty to the brand, and hold value in their products... that seems like a powerful move no matter what your business is... We shall see, but either way I do hope to get a chance to hear the X1. I wonder how much better than the S1 it really can be.

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    Peter - early days I know but do you have an ETA of the X1 in Singapore?
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    I don't have an ETA for anywhere but we'd like to ship it ASAP, once every detail is ironed out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steinkrieg View Post
    My main point is that some type of trade in for the S1 would be a fantastic way to continue to build loyalty amongst those who have been so loyal to Lumin and bought in to a product that is certainly on the high end in price when compared to many others out there
    Personally I agree with that but as you know, it's not up to me to make business decisions, and I don't know, perhaps this may also affect our dealers as well. Personally I also like to see more users enjoy Lumin products, and have tried to use my very little influence (if any) towards this cause.
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    steinkrieg

    Lumin has been very good to make updates to their products , so that my T1 also had an update to MQA , as an example and best of all its free and online . The Lumin app will just make you aware that there is a new update available and then you can download that. And ready to go.
    That is one thing i really like with Lumin , as well as the reproduction of music , which i find is really good. And should there come a better DAC than the one in the Lumin you can just add that.
    But i think that to get a better DAC than the one in T1 you would need a pretty expensive one. ( i haven't tried that many ) but i think that others maybe Mike can chime in on these.
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    Couldn’t agree more
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    Steinkrieg,

    Have you had a chat with your Lumin dealer?

    One of the reasons why I bought my T1 was because my dealer promised me a more than reasonable trade-up value for when I had enough dosh to upgrade. One of the many great things about Lumin is that their gear seems to hold value quite well (due in no small part to the ongoing, free software upgrades, but also the build quality). I almost bought a 2nd hand T1 from my dealer but somebody out-bid me and there was very little difference between that price and the price for a new one. Having said that, I agree it would be great if Lumin itself had a trade-up policy. Maybe I am just fortunate to have a great dealer and be in a deep market for Lumin, so I am not so worried about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Just to expand on this since I work in the computer networking industry. The trend with technology is to get better performance, and at a lower price, every year. I would expect the S1 replacement to perform better, and be at the same, or lower price. It would not make any sense to sell both the X1 and the S1 at the same time, so arguing that the X1 is a new TOTL product is a non-starter.

    $10K would be a reasonable list price. IMO, of course.
    I also have an IT background. With the exceptions of the new iPhone X I can't think of one consumer product where the new model costs more than the old one. You always get better performance for equal or less cost than the previous generation. Not in high end audio.. Economies of scale? Perhaps..

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    Quote Originally Posted by steinkrieg View Post
    Bud, I think it may be possible that the X1 will be presented as a higher level than the X1... I had assumed this... not sure. My main point is that some type of trade in for the S1 would be a fantastic way to continue to build loyalty amongst those who have been so loyal to Lumin and bought in to a product that is certainly on the high end in price when compared to many others out there.
    I plan on being very active with upgrading people to the new X1’s. Trades always accepted. Lumin X1
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