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    Re: Lumin T3

    Looks like a nice piece. Unfortunately, Lumin still omitting digital inputs.
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    Re: Lumin T3

    Inputs are on P1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    Inputs are on P1.
    Why would you buy a T3 if you also need a P1 for you digital inputs? Both include streamer and DAC. The T3 appears to be lacking in digital inputs - something any DAC should surely include? The P1, described as streamer, DAC and preamp, doesn't have a volume control!

    What are these people thinking of? Who would buy a DAC without digital inputs? Who would buy a preamp without a volume control? Though it's probably controlled by a phone. However good these units may sound, some degree of practicality should surely be provided. Or have I missed something?
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    Re: Lumin T3

    What led you to think P1 does not have volume control?

    Volume can be controlled in various apps (true for all Lumin streamers), or using the physical remote (standard for P1, add-on purchase for other models).
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    Re: Lumin T3

    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    What led you to think P1 does not have volume control?

    Volume can be controlled in various apps (true for all Lumin streamers), or using the physical remote (standard for P1, add-on purchase for other models).
    As I said, I have no doubt the volume can be controlled from an app, but why no good old-fashioned volume knob on the front panel? How often does the RC disappear between cushions or end up under a newpaper or is otherwise out of sight? Even Up Down buttons would be better than nothing.
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    Re: Lumin T3

    This, and using Roon as my main interface, was why I went with the Grimm Mu1. My system is also the main AV unit in the front room. Inputs get switched, the power goes on, the volume is off, etc... we need to quickly reach for the volume knob to adjust...
    My Tambaqui has push button volume control, but that is too cumbersome. And usually, finding the remote involves a search party.
    Once I'm an empty nester (if I'm still alive...), rotary knob will be optional.
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    Re: Lumin T3

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    Who would buy a DAC without digital inputs? Who would buy a preamp without a volume control? Though it's probably controlled by a phone. However good these units may sound, some degree of practicality should surely be provided. Or have I missed something?
    Even though the volume is controllable via the Lumin app, I've never used it, and I've never thought I needed one on the unit itself. All my volume control is done via my integrated amp. As for inputs, a network input is a "digital" input, is it not? That's the only input I've ever needed.
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    Re: Lumin T3

    I use the volume control in the app almost exclusively…. most of the time I’m already in there managing my playlist. And I use the very nice Lumin remote when that happens to be more convenient.

    When I had integrated amps with front panel controls, I never used them. I used the amp’s remote, or if I was feeling especially lazy I used the app volume control. Why get up and cross the room, disrupting my comfort and listening session, just to change volume?

    I have no need nor desire for additional digital inputs, although I can see how others might. So…. P1.
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    Re: Lumin T3

    Thanks Mike for posting.

    I’m looking at trading my sim390 in for the T3. I don’t use any inputs, stream only and use Roon. I have a 760A for a power amp and all Siltech into focals. Anyone have any idea how this would sound vs my 390. I’m missing the transparency from my old Mini that I had. I will be adding a power booster off the hop.

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    Re: Lumin T3

    Hi, I've a Tidal playlist made up of various songs from different artist. Playing from Lumin app, anywhere can I adjust to play all the songs continuously?

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    Re: Lumin T3

    There's a repeat icon in Lumin app.
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    Re: Lumin T3

    Quote Originally Posted by Heng View Post
    Hi, I've a Tidal playlist made up of various songs from different artist. Playing from Lumin app, anywhere can I adjust to play all the songs continuously?
    Hi, i am not in front of my Lumin right now, but I think I know what you need to do.
    First hit the little garbage can bottom left of the screen to clear whatever is in the active playlist.
    Then choose playlists, you should then see the playlists you have made so far. Press and hold down on the one you want to play. Other windows should then pop up, tap the first one on the left. This should populate the songs in your playlist into the active playlist. Scroll to the top song, tap it and they all should now play in order.
    Hope I got it right, good luck.
    Oh I see you were asking about repeat now, well Peter answered that for you.

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    Good point. It's important to tap and hold the Tidal playlist to add everything to the Lumin current playlist.
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    Re: Lumin T3

    Thanks, it works!

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    Re: Lumin T3

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    Why would you buy a T3 if you also need a P1 for you digital inputs? Both include streamer and DAC. The T3 appears to be lacking in digital inputs - something any DAC should surely include?

    What are these people thinking of? Who would buy a DAC without digital inputs? ?
    I agree. I recently considered then quickly eliminated the T3 when I took the time to look on the back and saw the rear inputs were lacking for its price point. The amount of inputs on the back of the Rose 150B I ended up buying is something I love. I didn't want to spend P1 money just to get what I consider to be connectivity that should be standard at T3 pricing.

    I have my computer run into the Rose, then out of the Rose into my Neve headphone amp.
    I have HDMI from my Apple TV/TV run into the back of the Rose to play music from what I watch TV.
    I have HDMI out on the Rose into the TV to send videos from the Rose to the TV and it also plays through my 2 channel.
    And of course I have the Rose plugged into the integrated amp I'm using at the time for streaming or any other audio needs.

    I wouldn't dream of spending that kind of money and be so limited in hookups. BUT I understand not everyone needs the amount of connectivity I do.
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    Re: Lumin T3

    Depends what’s more important to your needs - inputs or SQ. I prefer SQ of the Lumin streamers/DACs to the Rose I heard.

    Build quality is also excellent on the Lumin, although I didn’t touch the Rose, but don’t need/want the front screen for a variety of reasons.

    You can’t just say “it’s not worth the $ because it lacks x/y/z”. Every system serves the needs it serves, and there are other expensive systems with equally specific functionality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    I agree. I recently considered then quickly eliminated the T3 when I took the time to look on the back and saw the rear inputs were lacking for its price point. The amount of inputs on the back of the Rose 150B I ended up buying is something I love. I didn't want to spend P1 money just to get what I consider to be connectivity that should be standard at T3 pricing.

    I have my computer run into the Rose, then out of the Rose into my Neve headphone amp.
    I have HDMI from my Apple TV/TV run into the back of the Rose to play music from what I watch TV.
    I have HDMI out on the Rose into the TV to send videos from the Rose to the TV and it also plays through my 2 channel.
    And of course I have the Rose plugged into the integrated amp I'm using at the time for streaming or any other audio needs.

    I wouldn't dream of spending that kind of money and be so limited in hookups. BUT I understand not everyone needs the amount of connectivity I do.
    I'm considering the Rose 150B as part of a replacement for my NAD M33, so it’s good to hear from an owner. I'm thinking of going from an all-in-one system to an all-in-two one - unless anyone can suggest an apprecialy better all-in-one than the the NAD. The Rose will be the first part. A power amp or integrated will complete the new system. Speakers are Avantgarde Duo XD.

    As I understand the Rose, it offers streaming, DAC and preamp with volume control. I'm sorry to see no front panel volume knob as there are occasions when these are very useful. For example, if you need to adjust the volume while using your phone (if that's where your control app is), or when your phone slips between the cushions and can't immediately be found. There no substitute for an old-fashioned knob - or maybe up/down buttons or a slider.

    Having said that, do you use the Rose to adjust volume and send the analogue signal to a power amp, or do you use an integrated with volume control?

    Is the Rose controllable from a Windows PC, or is it only Android and iOS? How do you find the app - is it intuitive in such a way that you could pass the iPad (or whatever) to a visitor and expect them to be able to easily add to your playlist? Any real disadvantages with the Rose so far?

    Many thanks - any comments would be helpful and appreciated. Peter
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    Re: Lumin T3

    Quote Originally Posted by jmusica View Post

    You can’t just say “it’s not worth the $ because it lacks x/y/z”. Every system serves the needs it serves, and there are other expensive systems with equally specific functionality.
    I agree. That's why I never said that.
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    Mmmmk. “Lacking for it’s price point” is so very different. I have no time for silly pedantry. Hasta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmusica View Post
    Mmmmk. “Lacking for it’s price point” is so very different. I have no time for silly pedantry. Hasta.
    My, my. No pedantrics, just simple English. "I wouldn't dream of spending that kind of money and be so limited in hookups. BUT I understand not everyone needs the amount of connectivity I do."

    The Lumin is a nice piece, but objectively it has less hookups than most of its competition. It's a simple factual statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    I'm considering the Rose 150B as part of a replacement for my NAD M33, so it’s good to hear from an owner. I'm thinking of going from an all-in-one system to an all-in-two one - unless anyone can suggest an apprecialy better all-in-one than the the NAD. The Rose will be the first part. A power amp or integrated will complete the new system. Speakers are Avantgarde Duo XD.

    As I understand the Rose, it offers streaming, DAC and preamp with volume control. I'm sorry to see no front panel volume knob as there are occasions when these are very useful. For example, if you need to adjust the volume while using your phone (if that's where your control app is), or when your phone slips between the cushions and can't immediately be found. There no substitute for an old-fashioned knob - or maybe up/down buttons or a slider.

    Having said that, do you use the Rose to adjust volume and send the analogue signal to a power amp, or do you use an integrated with volume control?

    Is the Rose controllable from a Windows PC, or is it only Android and iOS? How do you find the app - is it intuitive in such a way that you could pass the iPad (or whatever) to a visitor and expect them to be able to easily add to your playlist? Any real disadvantages with the Rose so far?

    Many thanks - any comments would be helpful and appreciated. Peter
    I don't use the volume on it - I have it set to fixed output.

    I don't know about PC as I use Mac and iOS. It operates flawlessly and works exceptionally well and is very easy to use. No disadvantages I can see so far. Mike helped me at length find the best unit for what was important to me and he steered me right on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    I'm sorry to see no front panel volume knob as there are occasions when these are very useful. For example, if you need to adjust the volume while using your phone (if that's where your control app is), or when your phone slips between the cushions and can't immediately be found. There no substitute for an old-fashioned knob - or maybe up/down buttons or a slider.
    I don't own the Rose, but if I'm not mistaken the volume is controllable from the front panel via the + and - buttons on the right side of the screen. I'm sure someone will politely correct me if I'm wrong!

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    Re: Lumin T3

    A Hong Kong review compared T3 to T2. It said T3 is smoother, while layering and dimensionality are slightly improved.

    Interestingly enough, this is the second time I receive feedback that characterizes the SQ from our 2022 processor to be "smoother" compared to the corresponding predecessors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    A Hong Kong review compared T3 to T2. It said T3 is smoother, while layering and dimensionality are slightly improved.

    Interestingly enough, this is the second time I receive feedback that characterizes the SQ from our 2022 processor to be "smoother" compared to the corresponding predecessors.

    Well done!!
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    Re: Lumin T3

    Lumin T3 review by High Fidelity:

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    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    Lumin T3 review by High Fidelity:

    High Fidelity
    Very fine review. Pacula is a very thorough reviewer and, IMHO, one of the best.

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