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July 5, 2022, 08:09 AM #101
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Fortunately Qobuz came to Australia last year, but prior to that, it seemed impossible to use a VPN/overseas PayPal account to subscribe. It had been possible a while ago, but they seemed to tighten up access. Seems odd that Qobuz is not in Canada, given that is largely French based. Anyway, hope you get access soon. From my point of view, I found the quality of hirez Qobuz superior to Tidal and other services.
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July 5, 2022, 11:29 AM #102
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The key thing, and the hardest one to obtain, is that you need a credit card from a supported country.
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July 8, 2022, 09:55 PM #103
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Peter I have a question
I am over on the Naim forum and I posted a photo of the SFP module and optical cable I use with my P1. A guy said he thinks I am using multi mode because single mode should be a yellow cable. He posted a chart showing the Aqua Color cable I have, and sure enough it is Multimode apparently. I had a friend with an Amazon account order these for me, so now I am second guessing what I have. I thought Multi mode would not work?
I have music playing, so should I be concerned about anything?
We got the info for the SFP’s off the Lumin online manual, and he said when he ordered them a window popped up with a compatible cable, so he ordered it.
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July 8, 2022, 10:53 PM #104
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To clarify:
- You can use single-mode modules with single-mode fiber
- You can use multi-mode modules with multi-mode fiber
I looked at your photos, you're using single-mode 1310nm modules with multi-mode fiber (the pop out window must have suggested a wrong type of fiber). You're lucky it works at all (it works probably because this is a really short distance).
Please order either of the Corning single mode fiber here (in yellow color):
LUMIN - Fibre Networking
Meanwhile, you can continue to use your setup until your new single mode fiber arrives.
(There is one other trivial thing I didn't expect. The photo shows a 20km SFP module, but the Amazon link we provided, and the photo on the Amazon web page, are supposed to be 10km. This does not matter in practice though.)Peter Lie
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July 8, 2022, 10:58 PM #105
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Out of curiosity, since MM fiber seems to work in a SM fiber circuit, will there be any sonic degradation from it?
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July 8, 2022, 11:17 PM #106
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Thanks Peter, I guess I should of been more involved when he ordered them for me. I was there, provided him the link, but his phone was acting up so he said he would order them later at work.
Just so you know, it sounds great anyway.🤷*♂️
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July 10, 2022, 09:13 PM #107
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Well… I was using teal colored multi mode fiber as well… worked perfectly fine and I didnt even realize it could cause a problem. Have corrected now, no discernable change in sound so… yay?!
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July 11, 2022, 05:46 PM #108
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Hi Jack, hope you are doing well.
I have been posting about this cable thing on the Naim forum, because I was a Naim owner for years. There are a lot of knowledgeable posters there about all things networking. However, there seem to be conflicting theories about multi-mode versus single mode. Peter said I should get the single mode ( yellow) cable, so that is what I will do I guess.
Interesting that your X1 worked with the wrong cable too.
Did you get around to trying the Naim gear yet…any thoughts?
Tony
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July 11, 2022, 06:28 PM #109
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All my Naim pieces finally arrived but I quickly realized after placing the order that I had made a mistake. With the calibre of speakers I have, I really needed to go with the 500 series components, and at those prices its hard to swallow a blind purchase. So for now they just sit in their boxes, maybe Ill try them, maybe not.
Ya, I trust Peter so I went ahead and I grabbed the single mode fibre as well. Im sure theres some valid points on both sides of the fence but Im not about to throw myself into that debate. All is well!
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August 4, 2022, 06:13 PM #110
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I guess I should provide an update…I received my yellow single mode cable and installed it yesterday. To me I do hear a slight difference for the better. I also got around to trying the P1 amp direct, using an older Anthem amp I have. This also seems to of lifted a veil, so now I am fully using Leedh volume control, works great. The last thing I want to try is Roon only mode, still have not had the ambition to try that yet.
I want to live with the amp direct for a while before I make a decision about converting the Nagra to strictly an amp or not. Depending on cost, I might be better off trading it in on an amp.
The dealer I bought the Nagra from has a discounted pair of Brinkman monos. The other option would be to buy a Nagra classic amp, or the Lumin amp. Time to work some overtime this winter.😀
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August 4, 2022, 06:26 PM #111
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Out of those options I would lean heavily towards the Lumin Amp. That P1 pairing will surprise you! Just make sure you get the right price on the Lumin 😉
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August 4, 2022, 08:10 PM #112
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Hi Jack, have you actually heard the Lumin amp with your X1, or is it just a recommendation to stick with the same brand? The photos I have seen of the P1 with the amp sure do look good.
For sure I will be searching for the best deal I can find if I go that way. Prices seem to be skyrocketing across all brands…ughhh!
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August 4, 2022, 08:23 PM #113
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Yes, I owned a pair of them for almost a year set up in mono. Very “fast” and powerful sounding. One of the best whole systems Ive played with, and it was just 3 components. I fed the X1 directly in to the amps.
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August 4, 2022, 08:53 PM #114
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Wow, that must of been something special. Was that driving the Kef blades? Curious what you moved on to also. I realize you like trying a lot of equipment, I just wonder if you will ever “land” somewhere that makes you content.
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August 5, 2022, 10:59 AM #115
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Just came back from the first day of Hong Kong High-end Audio Visual Show 2022. This year we demo P1 with a pair of Lumin AMP in bridge mode driving PMC fact.12 signature in a standard single wiring configuration. (Since we have two units of AMP that are capable of running in stereo, dual mono or bridged, and the PMC speakers can be single wired, bi-wired, bi-amped, even tri-wired or tri-amped (!) I believe there may be an alternate configuration that would be even better, but this is merely a suspicion that cannot be proven. We did not prepare for an extra pair of speaker cable anyway.) In spite of the smaller physical size of the speakers (and slightly lower price) as compared to the other speakers we used in some of our previous shows, I really like the sound, and most importantly, a number of visitors said the system sounds good - for me that's the most important thing.
(Note: Our PMC has HF set to + and LF set to - by the provider, but the panel looks different from the manual, there is a possibility I may have got some info wrong.)
Another new thing we do this year is to have a TV showing the Lumin app screen (AirPlay from iPad). This turned out to be very useful and valuable. Some visitors are quite interested in it, and it lets those visitors who did not have any prior experience with Lumin app (or streaming) to understand a bit more.Peter Lie
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August 9, 2022, 02:01 AM #116
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The Lumin P1. The best all-in-one Adrian has heard? - YouTube
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August 9, 2022, 11:17 AM #117
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Is it a good review? They've been a Dealer of Lumin for a long time... never bothered to post anything about them, up until all others did. The X1 is better than the P1, its been available to them for many years... yet they've never done a review or comparison. I doubt they ever even brought one in to listen to. So, I chuckle again.
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August 9, 2022, 03:01 PM #118
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August 9, 2022, 07:38 PM #119
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I was alluding to the fact that even as Dealers, they had no interest in it up until others started talking about it. That's not how a real Dealer is supposed to operate. I'm sure that they had no clue that any analog inputs are immediately converted to digital... purists will not like that and its a significant design element that they should be aware of and let potential buyers know about.
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August 10, 2022, 08:02 AM #120
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August 10, 2022, 08:26 AM #121
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Yes
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August 10, 2022, 10:58 AM #122
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August 10, 2022, 04:30 PM #123
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My System
Acoustic Revive RTP-4
Innuos Pulsar
Lampizator BALTIC4
Cary SLP-05
Pass XA30.5 or
Line Magnetic 845ia
Reference 3A Reflector's
Pr SVS SB3000 Subs
Cables & Tubes "subject to change without notification".
Complete system on battery power/solar
Core Audio Design Rack
DIY bass traps and custom curved diffusors.
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August 10, 2022, 04:59 PM #124
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All the inputs I use are digital anyway…optical from TV and HDMI from Bluray,Xbox, Media player so perfect for me. The only analog source I have is my Teac PD 501 DSD player, which I can plug in directly to my Nagra integrated.
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August 10, 2022, 05:07 PM #125
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Im glad, and I most certainly could have expanded as to why I answered “yes” to your question, although it really isnt relevant. My point was, a long standing Dealer, long before they give their opinion on any product they sell, should comprehensively understand, and thoroughly inform, how the product functions regardless whether that helps or hurts their sale.
The fact that P1 goes through an ADC process when used as an analog input preamp is significant. That should have been mentioned, either this Dealer has no clue, or they intentionally omitted it. Both would not be acceptable to me and its why people really have to trust who they buy from. Ive been fooled more than once by a Dealers incompetence and lack of knowledge, shame on me and never again.
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August 11, 2022, 01:02 AM #126
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I agree that knowing the presence of ADC is important to many people, especially in light of the recent controversy with a certain label. A few months ago I even corrected a reviewer about this when I was sent a draft review for technical accuracy check (but they don't normally send to me personally - I highly recommend all reviewers do that).
By the same token, if I am buying a cable, I do need to know whether it's copper or silver or something else.
As for the YouTube, hmmm, I think I got a different message / conclusion than some of the posts above.Peter Lie
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September 26, 2022, 08:12 PM #127
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I have a question for Peter, or any P1 user/owner.
Why is there no input selection for Ethernet/optical Ethernet?
I can switch to optical to feed the sound from my TV to the P1, but when I want to switch back to music over Ethernet, the only way is to start the music playing and hope that it works. Or am I missing something obvious?
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September 26, 2022, 09:35 PM #128
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When you want to play something from Ethernet, you need to choose what you need to play - pull. That's unlike a TV toslink output - the TV is always pushing audio data to the toslink.
To change from external input to network playback, just tap any track on the Lumin app playlist, or play from Tidal app / Spotify app / Roon / AirPlay, etc.
Or, press Play or Radio on the IR remote.Peter Lie
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September 26, 2022, 10:11 PM #129
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Thanks Peter, that is what I have been doing, and it works fine.
I just thought a selection button would make more sense, but I guess I missed the “pull” versus “push” difference.
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February 27, 2023, 12:19 AM #130
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Quebecor lay offs 240 positions and ceases QUB Musique
C’est la fin pour QUB musique | Le Devoir
Now Qobuz can launch in Canada in May 2023
Qobuz high-quality music platform soon available in CanadaPeter Lie
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March 10, 2023, 10:27 PM #131
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I installed an LFD power cord into my P1 this morning. I was using the stock PC up until now, nice uplift right off the bat. I traded some unused gear for it, so no cost outlay, gotta like that. Let’s see what happens after I get some hours on it.
Lumin P1,Nagra Classic Amp, Kharma DB 7’s
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April 19, 2023, 09:19 AM #132
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Users in Canada please check whether you can now access Qobuz:
https://twitter.com/qobuz/status/164...405651970?s=20Peter Lie
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April 19, 2023, 02:13 PM #133
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Peter I just tried signing up, which was a month free trial and it would not let me. It said my Zip code was incorrect. I am guessing because it is a Canadian Zip code? Any suggestions?
Ok I somehow got it to work by logging in on Qobuz Canada website. It sounds great on 16/44.1 material, but the 3 192 KHz songs I have tried are stuttering…. I suspect my garbage internet is to blame for this.Lumin P1,Nagra Classic Amp, Kharma DB 7’s
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April 21, 2023, 01:15 PM #134
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I thought I would post about file storage with my P1. Up until now I have only had a 64 GB thumb drive inserted into the USB port on the back of my P1. After deciding not to renew my Roon subscription I had to try a new way to access my downloads, so I inserted my WD (3TB) hard drive into the USB port.
The hard drive has about 2,300 albums on it, so I was not sure it would work, maybe too large?
Well I can happily report it is working fine, currently playing Trio Jeepy from the hard drive.
I know there is a Roon only mode, which I never got around to trying, but to me it sounds great directly plugged into the back, no need for a Roon subscription or hardware to run the core.😀Lumin P1,Nagra Classic Amp, Kharma DB 7’s
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April 23, 2023, 01:57 AM #135
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Very cool. Just a question for you: how was your external USB drive formatted?
I've found my P1 sounds best when using the native Lumin app, but I still use Roon to discover new content, and with an Altaira dedicated to just the P1, it still sounds excellent. Another really nice feature is you can toggle completely seamlessly between both apps, Roon and the Lumin app.
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April 23, 2023, 10:41 AM #136
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I did not reformat the hard drive when I bought it, just whatever it came with, so not sure on that question.
I did like Roon, but I had the Core running on an old Laptop. Recently it stopped working ( fan error), so that is why I decided to try plugging it directly into the P1. I use the Lumin App for everything now, so buying a Nucleaus and adding the subscription seems like added cost that would be better spent on a new Shunyata power cord, or one of those Altaira units that you are using.Lumin P1,Nagra Classic Amp, Kharma DB 7’s
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April 23, 2023, 01:31 PM #137
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April 24, 2023, 04:26 AM #138
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Hi Puma, a fellow P1 owner here. A question on the P1 and Altaira: do you have one Altaira unit/box dedicated to only the P1? Can I also connect my other components to the same Altaira unit? I’ve been trying to read up Shunyata’s website on the grounding configuration options using Altaira but I’m just lost 😁 I’m new to grounding so appreciate your help.
Thanks,
Norman
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April 24, 2023, 11:40 AM #139
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Hi Norman , welcome to the forum.
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April 24, 2023, 01:54 PM #140
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Hi Norman,
There are a number of ways you can go with your Altaira set-up. You can connect multiple components to the same Altaira unit, and which hub you use depends on how you want to configure the system.
If you are going to connect all your components to a single Altaira, the guidance is to use a CG Altaira hub. You can connect, say, your P1 (using it's chassis ground terminal on the back), an amp, a preamp if you also use one, a DAC or phono stage, to that one CG hub.
You can also use multiple Altairas in what is referred to as a segmented system. One way to do this is to have one segment be the "digital segment", for example, a DAC, streamer or network bridge, Ethernet switch, music server, etc. You'd connect all these to the same SG Altaira. Then, you could have as second segment in what I refer to as the "analog amplification segment", for example, a preamp, tuner, phono stage and amplifier.
In my case, I use "segmented" Altaira system comprised of two segments, each using an SG Altaira hub.
The digital segment SG hub is connected to the P1, and the "analog amplification segment" SG Altaira is solely connected to my Constellation integrated amp.
Hope this helps.
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April 24, 2023, 02:41 PM #141
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April 24, 2023, 02:48 PM #142
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April 24, 2023, 03:01 PM #143
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Generally, yes. If your other component has an unused "interface" connection, jack or port, you can use a Shunyata "base" ground cable terminated with the appropriate tail. The base ground cable generally has two STIS-type banana plugs on it. You then simply plug the appropriate tail onto it for your component or application. For example, if you have an unused SPDIF, Ethernet RJ45, USB, or BNC port, or unused input or output RCA or XLR jacks, you can connect that component using those ports or jacks with the appropriate tail.
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April 25, 2023, 05:42 AM #144
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August 18, 2023, 03:47 PM #145
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The arrival of my Nagra Classic amp has been delayed for quite a while, due to a surgery etc. earlier in the year. It looks like I will finally be picking it up in the next few weeks.
The Nagra will be run directly off the P1, so I would like to start off on the right foot. There is a switch on the back of the amp for 1 volt, or 2 volts. Also RCA or XLR inputs, I was planning on using XLR.
Peter, or anyone who might know, which voltage setting would best match the P1’s output?Lumin P1,Nagra Classic Amp, Kharma DB 7’s
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August 19, 2023, 04:00 AM #146
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For Lumin P1 / X1 / T3 / T2 / D3 (Analog Output Level Normal 6V rms) output to this amp, try setting the amp to 2V sensitivity first.
Turn down the Lumin volume before you play anything.
Only in the unlikely event that it does not give you enough volume for your most quiet music at Lumin volume 100 should you set the sensitivity to 1V.Peter Lie
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August 19, 2023, 07:02 AM #147
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Thank you Peter, I will set it to 2V to start.
I am currently running direct to an amp, so I know all about turning the volume to zero before powering on the amp. Hopefully I have enough volume this way, I was not planning on buying the Nagra Classic Preamp just yet.Lumin P1,Nagra Classic Amp, Kharma DB 7’s
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September 5, 2023, 09:47 PM #148
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I got the Nagra amp hooked up yesterday, set to 2 volts works great… sounding really good fresh out of the box.
Lumin P1,Nagra Classic Amp, Kharma DB 7’s
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September 5, 2023, 09:50 PM #149
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Had to set the P1 and Nagra on granite slabs for now, due to cable lengths.
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September 6, 2023, 12:47 PM #150
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Gratulations with the Nagra Amp. And enjoy
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Rotel Michi S5
Focus Audio FS788
Inter connect : Nordost Tyr 2 ( 2 Meter )
LS cable : Yter
Power Cables : Nordost Frey 2 ( 2 Meter )
Nordost QB8
Fibercable for feeding the Lumin X1
Rack : Finite Elemente Pagode
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Thx for responding, bryans. My experience so far has been incredible. Beyond my expectations.
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