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  1. #101
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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    Fortunately Qobuz came to Australia last year, but prior to that, it seemed impossible to use a VPN/overseas PayPal account to subscribe. It had been possible a while ago, but they seemed to tighten up access. Seems odd that Qobuz is not in Canada, given that is largely French based. Anyway, hope you get access soon. From my point of view, I found the quality of hirez Qobuz superior to Tidal and other services.

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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    The key thing, and the hardest one to obtain, is that you need a credit card from a supported country.
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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    Peter I have a question
    I am over on the Naim forum and I posted a photo of the SFP module and optical cable I use with my P1. A guy said he thinks I am using multi mode because single mode should be a yellow cable. He posted a chart showing the Aqua Color cable I have, and sure enough it is Multimode apparently. I had a friend with an Amazon account order these for me, so now I am second guessing what I have. I thought Multi mode would not work?
    I have music playing, so should I be concerned about anything?
    We got the info for the SFP’s off the Lumin online manual, and he said when he ordered them a window popped up with a compatible cable, so he ordered it.

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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    To clarify:
    - You can use single-mode modules with single-mode fiber
    - You can use multi-mode modules with multi-mode fiber

    I looked at your photos, you're using single-mode 1310nm modules with multi-mode fiber (the pop out window must have suggested a wrong type of fiber). You're lucky it works at all (it works probably because this is a really short distance).

    Please order either of the Corning single mode fiber here (in yellow color):
    LUMIN - Fibre Networking

    Meanwhile, you can continue to use your setup until your new single mode fiber arrives.

    (There is one other trivial thing I didn't expect. The photo shows a 20km SFP module, but the Amazon link we provided, and the photo on the Amazon web page, are supposed to be 10km. This does not matter in practice though.)
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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    Out of curiosity, since MM fiber seems to work in a SM fiber circuit, will there be any sonic degradation from it?
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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    Thanks Peter, I guess I should of been more involved when he ordered them for me. I was there, provided him the link, but his phone was acting up so he said he would order them later at work.
    Just so you know, it sounds great anyway.🤷*♂️

  7. #107

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    Well… I was using teal colored multi mode fiber as well… worked perfectly fine and I didnt even realize it could cause a problem. Have corrected now, no discernable change in sound so… yay?!

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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by dznutz View Post
    Well… I was using teal colored multi mode fiber as well… worked perfectly fine and I didnt even realize it could cause a problem. Have corrected now, no discernable change in sound so… yay?!
    Hi Jack, hope you are doing well.
    I have been posting about this cable thing on the Naim forum, because I was a Naim owner for years. There are a lot of knowledgeable posters there about all things networking. However, there seem to be conflicting theories about multi-mode versus single mode. Peter said I should get the single mode ( yellow) cable, so that is what I will do I guess.
    Interesting that your X1 worked with the wrong cable too.
    Did you get around to trying the Naim gear yet…any thoughts?
    Tony

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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    All my Naim pieces finally arrived but I quickly realized after placing the order that I had made a mistake. With the calibre of speakers I have, I really needed to go with the 500 series components, and at those prices its hard to swallow a blind purchase. So for now they just sit in their boxes, maybe Ill try them, maybe not.

    Ya, I trust Peter so I went ahead and I grabbed the single mode fibre as well. Im sure theres some valid points on both sides of the fence but Im not about to throw myself into that debate. All is well!

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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    I guess I should provide an update…I received my yellow single mode cable and installed it yesterday. To me I do hear a slight difference for the better. I also got around to trying the P1 amp direct, using an older Anthem amp I have. This also seems to of lifted a veil, so now I am fully using Leedh volume control, works great. The last thing I want to try is Roon only mode, still have not had the ambition to try that yet.
    I want to live with the amp direct for a while before I make a decision about converting the Nagra to strictly an amp or not. Depending on cost, I might be better off trading it in on an amp.
    The dealer I bought the Nagra from has a discounted pair of Brinkman monos. The other option would be to buy a Nagra classic amp, or the Lumin amp. Time to work some overtime this winter.😀

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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    Out of those options I would lean heavily towards the Lumin Amp. That P1 pairing will surprise you! Just make sure you get the right price on the Lumin 😉

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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    Hi Jack, have you actually heard the Lumin amp with your X1, or is it just a recommendation to stick with the same brand? The photos I have seen of the P1 with the amp sure do look good.
    For sure I will be searching for the best deal I can find if I go that way. Prices seem to be skyrocketing across all brands…ughhh!

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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    Yes, I owned a pair of them for almost a year set up in mono. Very “fast” and powerful sounding. One of the best whole systems Ive played with, and it was just 3 components. I fed the X1 directly in to the amps.

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    Wow, that must of been something special. Was that driving the Kef blades? Curious what you moved on to also. I realize you like trying a lot of equipment, I just wonder if you will ever “land” somewhere that makes you content.

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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by dznutz View Post
    Out of those options I would lean heavily towards the Lumin Amp. That P1 pairing will surprise you! Just make sure you get the right price on the Lumin 😉
    Just came back from the first day of Hong Kong High-end Audio Visual Show 2022. This year we demo P1 with a pair of Lumin AMP in bridge mode driving PMC fact.12 signature in a standard single wiring configuration. (Since we have two units of AMP that are capable of running in stereo, dual mono or bridged, and the PMC speakers can be single wired, bi-wired, bi-amped, even tri-wired or tri-amped (!) I believe there may be an alternate configuration that would be even better, but this is merely a suspicion that cannot be proven. We did not prepare for an extra pair of speaker cable anyway.) In spite of the smaller physical size of the speakers (and slightly lower price) as compared to the other speakers we used in some of our previous shows, I really like the sound, and most importantly, a number of visitors said the system sounds good - for me that's the most important thing.

    (Note: Our PMC has HF set to + and LF set to - by the provider, but the panel looks different from the manual, there is a possibility I may have got some info wrong.)

    Another new thing we do this year is to have a TV showing the Lumin app screen (AirPlay from iPad). This turned out to be very useful and valuable. Some visitors are quite interested in it, and it lets those visitors who did not have any prior experience with Lumin app (or streaming) to understand a bit more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxH13 View Post
    Is it a good review? They've been a Dealer of Lumin for a long time... never bothered to post anything about them, up until all others did. The X1 is better than the P1, its been available to them for many years... yet they've never done a review or comparison. I doubt they ever even brought one in to listen to. So, I chuckle again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dznutz View Post
    Is it a good review? They've been a Dealer of Lumin for a long time... never bothered to post anything about them, up until all others did. The X1 is better than the P1, its been available to them for many years... yet they've never done a review or comparison. I doubt they ever even brought one in to listen to. So, I chuckle again.
    They all seem to like the P1, but it is more of a review comparing it as a preamp versus a 10 K Macintosh dedicated Pre.
    They do not mention whether or not they are using optical Ethernet, which I found to be a nice upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Quarter View Post
    They all seem to like the P1, but it is more of a review comparing it as a preamp versus a 10 K Macintosh dedicated Pre.
    They do not mention whether or not they are using optical Ethernet, which I found to be a nice upgrade.
    I was alluding to the fact that even as Dealers, they had no interest in it up until others started talking about it. That's not how a real Dealer is supposed to operate. I'm sure that they had no clue that any analog inputs are immediately converted to digital... purists will not like that and its a significant design element that they should be aware of and let potential buyers know about.

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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    Quote Originally Posted by dznutz View Post
    I was alluding to the fact that even as Dealers, they had no interest in it up until others started talking about it. That's not how a real Dealer is supposed to operate. I'm sure that they had no clue that any analog inputs are immediately converted to digital... purists will not like that and its a significant design element that they should be aware of and let potential buyers know about.
    If you heard the P1 and REALLY liked it, then later found out that what you were listening to was converted from analog to digital, would that change your opinion of what you actually heard?
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    Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by dznutz View Post
    Yes
    Interesting.
    I let my ears lead the way.
    I don't care if it's class "D" or "A" or tube or solid state or digital or analog.
    What's MOST important to me is how it sounds.
    YMMV
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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    All the inputs I use are digital anyway…optical from TV and HDMI from Bluray,Xbox, Media player so perfect for me. The only analog source I have is my Teac PD 501 DSD player, which I can plug in directly to my Nagra integrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadedavid View Post
    Interesting.
    I let my ears lead the way.
    I don't care if it's class "D" or "A" or tube or solid state or digital or analog.
    What's MOST important to me is how it sounds.
    YMMV
    Im glad, and I most certainly could have expanded as to why I answered “yes” to your question, although it really isnt relevant. My point was, a long standing Dealer, long before they give their opinion on any product they sell, should comprehensively understand, and thoroughly inform, how the product functions regardless whether that helps or hurts their sale.

    The fact that P1 goes through an ADC process when used as an analog input preamp is significant. That should have been mentioned, either this Dealer has no clue, or they intentionally omitted it. Both would not be acceptable to me and its why people really have to trust who they buy from. Ive been fooled more than once by a Dealers incompetence and lack of knowledge, shame on me and never again.

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    Re: Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow

    I agree that knowing the presence of ADC is important to many people, especially in light of the recent controversy with a certain label. A few months ago I even corrected a reviewer about this when I was sent a draft review for technical accuracy check (but they don't normally send to me personally - I highly recommend all reviewers do that).

    By the same token, if I am buying a cable, I do need to know whether it's copper or silver or something else.

    As for the YouTube, hmmm, I think I got a different message / conclusion than some of the posts above.
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