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    The amazing Lumin P1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Well, I was so impresssed with the Lumin P1 that I bought one. It arrived yesterday.



    I'm presently using it with my little Amp Camp amps (aka ACAs), but I'll primarily be using it with a Constellation Inspiration integrated amp. In the current system, both the P1 and the ACAs are connected to an "analog amplification segment" SG Altaira hub. What makes this easy is that Lumin installed a proper chassis ground terminal on the back of the P1. Just another reason why Lumin has it got it goin' on, in my view.

    I did the P1 "install" with my iPhone. Downloaded the Lumin app, and it immediately found the P1 on my network, and downloaded the latest version of the operating system in less than 2 minutes. Then, I logged into my Qobuz account, and was streaming music from the P-1 via the iPhone to the ACAs in a manner of minutes.

    All the gear inside the red borders is now out of the system, replaced by the P1.


    Did a "back-of-napkin" calculation, and by installing the P1 in conjunction with the Inspiration integrated amp, I'm able to remove 15 "bits of gear" from the system, after adding up all the components, cables, power supplies, network bridge, switches, blah, blah...

    Here is the new set-up with the little ACAs presently in the rack: MUCH tidier and simpler.


    And...it sounded absolutely FANTASTIC right off the truck, without even having had time to settle or burn-in, yet. Then, I connected it to Altaira, and it got EVEN BETTER. Oh, man! I was up until 1:30 AM last night listening to it.

    I specifically want to thank Lumin for the P1. IMHO, it's a breakthrough product who's features and functions are so well-engineered, implemented, and integrated that it presents a new paradigm for how a truly high-end audio system can be configured. While I've been an advocate for "separates" providing optimal specific dedicated audio functions for the better part of 40 years now, the P1 shatters that convention and demonstrates first-hand how superbly an exceptionally well-designed and engineered component that integrates streaming, D/A conversion, and preamplifier functionality can really perform. In my experience, the P1 re-writes "the rulebook".

    And, and in the process, creates exceptionally engaging and beguiling musical experiences.

    Simpler is better.

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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Wow - that's quite a big difference in gear needed!

    Thanks for sharing and hope you continue to love it.
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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    Wow - that's quite a big difference in gear needed!
    Yeah, the streaming setups, aack! What with the DAC, streamers, network bridges, Ethernet switches, fiber media convertors, master clocks, etc., and then all the signal and digital interface cables (Ethernet, USB, S/PDIF, clock cables, LC/LC fiber, etc) for the DAC, streamers, network bridges, Ethernet switches, fiber media convertors, master clocks, and then...the linear power supplies required for the streamers, network bridges, Ethernet switches, fiber media convertors, master clocks and then...the power cables for the linear power supplies that power the streamers, network bridges, Ethernet switches, fiber media convertors, and...master clocks, things can can get really complex, really fast.

    And, this is just the gear in the main audio rack! Doh! It doesn't even include the music server computer and all it's crap residing in the remote server room.

    See what I mean?

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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Agreed. We love the P1. It got heavy demo use today!


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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Has anyone by chance compared P1 (with the appropriate amp) with Devialet Expert Pro?

    Also, comparison with Esoteric N-05XD (with and without master clock) seems interesting.
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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    In Roon forum there's a customer who moved from 220 to a Lumin T2 setup with direct output to an inexpensive 250W power amp. His comments for this improved SQ at a lower system price are "Much better dynamics, grippier bass and wonderful midrange".
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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Roon is not a way to go with Devialet - without external streamer.

    UPnP sounds much better.
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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    I'm presently listening to a wonderful Philips LP of Arthur Grumiaux playing Vivaldi on his Guarneri violin, Rose, the Koetsu Urushi Vermilion MC cart going from the Michell's SME V to the EAR 324 phono stage and from there via RCA IC's to the P1's RCA input. To change the input from Roon and the remote music server to the phono stage, all I did was pull up the Lumin app on my iPhone and select the RCA input. So easy....👍

    It sounds very beautiful. The P1 provides an absolutely gorgeous presentation of Rose's (made by by Giuseppe Guarneri in 1744 ) beautiful tone, texture and dynamic range (did you know that a violin has more dynamic range than a piano?). The transparency, clarity, and the rendition of the violin's timbre is sublime. You can also hear deeply into the recording space, and Rose's notes trailing off into a vapor trail of decay. Oh, baby...


    And with only 18 hours on the clock, the P1 is not even run-in yet. 😍

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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    I keep hearing that Roon sounds inferior on various forums, not specifically with the P1 though. I use my P1 with the native App, Tidal connect, and the Roon App.
    I listened for about 5 hours earlier using Roon, sounds just as good as the other two options to me.
    I have until next May paid for with Roon, still not sure if I will subscribe again because the other two options are free. Sound quality is not less using Roon with the P1 IMO.
    Puma Cat, glad to see you ended up buying the P1, mine has exceeded my expectations too.

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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    The P1 is a very nice component. Glad you guys are enjoying it.
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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by No Quarter View Post
    I keep hearing that Roon sounds inferior on various forums, not specifically with the P1 though. I use my P1 with the native App, Tidal connect, and the Roon App.
    I listened for about 5 hours earlier using Roon, sounds just as good as the other two options to me.
    I have until next May paid for with Roon, still not sure if I will subscribe again because the other two options are free. Sound quality is not less using Roon with the P1 IMO.
    Puma Cat, glad to see you ended up buying the P1, mine has exceeded my expectations too.
    I would agree, on the whole. While the P1 audibly sounds better using the native Lumin app, for me what is practically significant (and practically significant is generally all that matters in the real world) is that the P1 is very engaging, enjoyable, and immersive using Roon, as well.

    And, listening to a P1 connected to a segmented Altaira ground hub system using either the native Lumin app or Roon is significantly better. Wow.

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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    I would agree, on the whole. While the P1 clearly sounds better using the native Lumin app, for me what is practically significant (and practically significant is generally all that matters in the real world) is that the P1 is very engaging, enjoyable, and immersive to listen to using Roon.

    And, listening to a P1 connected to a segmented Altaira ground hub system using either the native Lumin app or Roon is significantly better. Wow!
    I would definitely like to explore a sound hub system some day.
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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    I would definitely like to explore a sound hub system some day.
    Michael, did you mean a "ground hub", perhaps?

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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Michael, did you mean a "ground hub", perhaps?
    Doh! This auto spell correct always gets me. LOL

    But yes, I meant the ground hub. Unless I am drinking my vodka and then I may call it any version of ground or sound hub.
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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    Doh! This auto spell correct always gets me. LOL

    But yes, I meant the ground hub. Unless I am drinking my vodka and then I may call it any version of ground or sound hub.
    Ha! No worries! Listening to this right now, streamed from Qobuz.
    Ray Brown & Gene Harris, Live at the Loa Summer Wind. OMG.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Ha! No worries! Listening to this right now, streamed from Qobuz.
    Ray Brown & Gene Harris, Live at the Loa Summer Wind. OMG.

    This is really terrific - thanks for the recommendation!
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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by thingswelike View Post
    This is really terrific - thanks for the recommendation!
    Yes, it's wonderful. I listened to it twice through last night. Going to order the CD, rip it, and put it on the server hard drive.

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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Get SACD.
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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Delija View Post
    Get SACD.
    Okay, thanks.

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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Delija View Post
    Get SACD.
    It says it's multichannel - on the back it says hybrid Stereo CD, Multichannel 5.1 SACD, so I'm not sure there's any benefit in buying the SACD for a stereo system, but I could be wrong.

    Edit: At one point it seems it was available on HDTracks in 24 bit / 88 kHz format, but I can't find it anywhere now
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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    After retiring all that hardware no doubt you have some surplus Sigma v2 power cables. I'd be happy to provide a new home for them. My system is getting bigger, not smaller.
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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    After retiring all that hardware no doubt you have some surplus Sigma v2 power cables. I'd be happy to provide a new home for them. My system is getting bigger, not smaller.
    I only own one Sigma NRv2 PC, and it is used for the amp, so it will be staying. I'm using an Omega QR-s for the P1, which is frickin' amazing. The only PCs I plan on selling at this time are my two Alpha XC PCs used For my First Sound preamp. I don't need NR PCs for the FS pre as it has two Shunyata CCI-X noise filters built each of it's dual-mono external power supplies. So, once I get the FS sold, I'll be selling those. I'll also be selling my Alpha and Omega USB cables and my Omega Ethernet cable.

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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    I would agree, on the whole. While the P1 audibly sounds better using the native Lumin app, for me what is practically significant (and practically significant is generally all that matters in the real world) is that the P1 is very engaging, enjoyable, and immersive using Roon, as well.

    And, listening to a P1 connected to a segmented Altaira ground hub system using either the native Lumin app or Roon is significantly better. Wow.
    Puma Cat, are you using Fibre optical with your P1? That is how I am using mine, Cisco 2960 switch>SFP>fibre cable>SFP>P1.
    I use a Shunyata Venom for power distribution, but I have not bought any Shunyata power cords yet.
    How would that Altaira fit in to my setup? Would I be better off investing in that, or Shunyata power cords first.
    Right now my Nagra integrated is off getting repaired in Switzerland, and I might upgrade it to the Nagra Classic amp.
    Thanks for any info you can give in advance.

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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by No Quarter View Post
    Puma Cat, are you using Fibre optical with your P1? That is how I am using mine, Cisco 2960 switch>SFP>fibre cable>SFP>P1.
    Yes. That was one of the principal reasons for buying it. EtherREGEN in remote server room >fiber cable to main audio rack->Finisar optical transceiver in SFP cage of P1

    Quote Originally Posted by No Quarter View Post
    I use a Shunyata Venom for power distribution, but I have not bought any Shunyata power cords yet.
    How would that Altaira fit in to my setup? Would I be better off investing in that, or Shunyata power cords first.
    I would invest in the best (highest level) NR Shunyata NR power cords within your budget for your P1 first, then an Altaira hub for the system. If you don't have one for your Nagra, it will really help there, too. The Alpha NRv2, for example, are superb for their price range; they have a beautiful, "musical quality" to them. I use an Alpha NRv2 PC for my EAR phono stage and 2 Alpha XCs for the First Sound preamp's external power supplies.

    How you install an Altaira depends on your budget and whether you want to go with a single hub for your entire system, or implement a "segmented" Altaira system with one Altaira hub dedicated for example, just to the "digital front end" only, and the other Altaira hub dedicated to the "analog amplification" component(s). And, you can always do this in phases, if you wish. Depending on what you decide to implement, there is clear and specific guidance how best to do this.

    Hope this helps. Cheers.

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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Yes. That was one of the principal reasons for buying it. EtherREGEN in remote server room >fiber cable to main audio rack->Finisar optical transceiver in SFP cage of P1



    I would invest in the best (highest level) NR Shunyata NR power cords within your budget for your P1 first, then an Altaira hub for the system. If you don't have one for your Nagra, it will really help there, too. The Alpha NRv2, for example, are superb for their price range; they have a beautiful, "musical quality" to them. I use an Alpha NRv2 PC for my EAR phono stage and 2 Alpha XCs for the First Sound preamp's external power supplies.

    How you install an Altaira depends on your budget and whether you want to go with a single hub for your entire system, or implement a "segmented" Altaira system with one Altaira hub dedicated for example, just to the "digital front end" only, and the other Altaira hub dedicated to the "analog amplification" component(s). And, you can always do this in phases, if you wish. Depending on what you decide to implement, there is clear and specific guidance how best to do this.

    Hope this helps. Cheers.
    Yes that makes sense, I will look into the Alpha NRv2 cords.
    I borrowed a few cords to try when I first got the Venom distributor, but can not remember which ones I had now.
    My priority is upgrading my amp, or at least getting my current one fixed first, so I put off investing in cables for now.
    I like having a direction I want to take in advance, so I can do some research.
    I just talked to my dealer, and unfortunately my amp has not even left Canada yet. I have been using a Blue Circle amp with the P1 for now, it is surprisingly good.
    Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thingswelike View Post
    It says it's multichannel - on the back it says hybrid Stereo CD, Multichannel 5.1 SACD, so I'm not sure there's any benefit in buying the SACD for a stereo system, but I could be wrong.

    Edit: At one point it seems it was available on HDTracks in 24 bit / 88 kHz format, but I can't find it anywhere now
    Every SACD has stereo DSD layer. Most also have multichannel DSD layer. Hybrid SACDs also have Red Book layer.
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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by thingswelike View Post
    It says it's multichannel - on the back it says hybrid Stereo CD, Multichannel 5.1 SACD, so I'm not sure there's any benefit in buying the SACD for a stereo system, but I could be wrong.

    Edit: At one point it seems it was available on HDTracks in 24 bit / 88 kHz format, but I can't find it anywhere now
    Redbook through Qobuz (No Roon) sounds amazing. And this is just on the desktop, can't wait to hear it later on the T2.

    +1 on "Thanks for the Rec."

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    Re: The amazing Lumin P-1 is now the Heart of my system.

    Quote Originally Posted by JCS123 View Post
    Redbook through Qobuz (No Roon) sounds amazing.
    Yes it really does - I certainly wasn't listening to it wanting more. I'm a big fan of even some not-so-great recordings of incredible performances, so to find both here was a pleasure.
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