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  1. #151
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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Quote Originally Posted by Marslo View Post
    I checked yesterday KR 242 with RCA 5r4gy recti which I used with 101 D.
    That was quite a surrpise how much recti influence the sound, with RCA it became warmer , less precise and less selective , only a part of the dynamic I heard with KR 5u4g.
    Then I switched back to this KR recti and for me this is not the way back , especialy with DSD . IMO at least 60% of the improvement of the sound with set of KR tubes comes from recti.
    For PCM I am not sure, I still miss something, I had to use different setup of bass satelites .
    But for DSD KR 242 with KR 5u4G Lampi edition is a real gem.
    Is this the "good" RCA-JAN double upward sloping D getters (pre 1946, WW2 version)? Many other RCA pretenders out there.

    Also, what about the Philips metal base GZ34?
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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Quote Originally Posted by wisnon View Post
    Is this the "good" RCA-JAN double upward sloping D getters (pre 1946, WW2 version)? Many other RCA pretenders out there.

    Also, what about the Philips metal base GZ34?
    Sorry Norman for the late answer- my RCA 5r4gy is JAN specification , made in 1959, I enclosed the picture in my post no 120. I like it more than Philips GZ 34.
    KR 5u4G is a different animal though, it brought the improvement which I did not expect.
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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Hi Marslo

    THAT IS NOT THE GOOD ONE.

    IT HAS TO BE WW2. That is the dirty little secret and they cost DOUBLE what the 1950s versions do, but still cheap enough. I posted a link to a seller in Arizona who sells them for $88 each. It has to be pre-1946, after that they were not the same (structurally different). I have 1950s version too...I fell into the trap early. LoL

    Run, dont walk and thank me later:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/RCA-JAN-CRC-...UAAOSw9eVXWjwc

    I just picked up 2 more for a song...1944 and 1945...to have backups. LoL
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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Thank you Norman, will look for this one after the holiday, leave tomorrow morning.
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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    I tested my three rectifiers against each other today.

    Output tubes were the psvane WE replica 101.

    The Takatsuki 274b blows the other two out of the water with ease. Distant second was the psvane 274b and even further behind the EML 5U4G.

    Will be interesting to see whether another recti can surpass this Japanese gem in the future.

    I think I' ll keep it...

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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Quote Originally Posted by khonfused View Post
    I tested my three rectifiers against each other today.

    Output tubes were the psvane WE replica 101.

    The Takatsuki 274b blows the other two out of the water with ease. Distant second was the psvane 274b and even further behind the EML 5U4G.

    Will be interesting to see whether another recti can surpass this Japanese gem in the future.

    I think I' ll keep it...
    Do you have the new Lampi KR Audio rectifier?
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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    No, not yet. And I am kind of reluctant to spend more on rectis right now.

    I am trying to get my hands on a pair of KR242, but haven't got any answer either from Kron nor from Lampi as to whether they can supply some.

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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Mike, AL will soon get his 2n Dac back with (gen 2, latest firmware update) R2R PCM and DSD, plus PX25 DHTs and the Lampi Kron Recti!
    I hear it will be a killer combo!

    His HeadDac has Chipless DSD and gen 1 R2R PCM. He will be able to compare the 2 implémentations and give an opinion. Cant wait to hear this.
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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Quote Originally Posted by wisnon View Post
    Mike, AL will soon get his 2n Dac back with (gen 2, latest firmware update) R2R PCM and DSD, plus PX25 DHTs and the Lampi Kron Recti!
    I hear it will be a killer combo!

    His HeadDac has Chipless DSD and gen 1 R2R PCM. He will be able to compare the 2 implémentations and give an opinion. Cant wait to hear this.
    I've been waiting for this comparison ever since I heard about the new chip. Looking forward to it. I have a Lampi Kron Recti coming as well. Just deciding between PX4 and PX25. Can't decide.
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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Mike,

    order both and help us out here....LOL

    We trust you.

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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I've been waiting for this comparison ever since I heard about the new chip. Looking forward to it. I have a Lampi Kron Recti coming as well. Just deciding between PX4 and PX25. Can't decide.
    Get the PX25...thank me later. LoL
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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Another place to get KR Audio tubes.

    http://www.tubeampdoctor.com/en/shop...ubes_KR_Audio/

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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    I know this site, but they don't have the 242 listed either.

    I also did not get an answer from Eunice at Kron. I tried different email accounts too.

    I hope now that Pawel/Lukasz can be helpful.

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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Quote Originally Posted by khonfused View Post
    I know this site, but they don't have the 242 listed either.

    I also did not get an answer from Eunice at Kron. I tried different email accounts too.

    I hope now that Pawel/Lukasz can be helpful.
    Sorry don't know anymore contact details for Eunice then what I provided earlier.
    Not sure why they are so quiet on the KR 242 tubes.
    I remember mentioning to Eunice to advertise the tube more, her response was she will get it up on the website soon.
    Hasn't happened.

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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    What is the difference between the UK and UX socket in the px25? Anyone know? Which would fit with the GG?

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    Not sure of the code, but I think its UX. Its the (long) 4 pin config with 2 fat and 2 skinny pins.

    "History of tube sockets (primarily in the United States)

    The earliest tubes such as the DeForest Audion were manufactured on light bulb machinery and used lamp bases and flying leads. A variety of leads, clips and fittings came into use but it soon became apparent that a base with multiple contacts which the tube could be inserted into was the simplest method of connection. Since tubes consisted entirely of filamentary diodes and triodes, four was as many contacts as was needed and so four pin connectors became the earliest standard. Although several proprietary sockets and tubes were introduced such as the Westinghouse WD11, the first standard basing was the UV four pin base. It had four short nubby pins and a bayonet pin on the side which was for mechanical purposes and was fitted in the socket like a bayonet. Later, the UX base was invented with four long pins in the same spacing and order, so that the tube could simply plug in downwards (assuming the socket was horizontal facing up). This base is still in use on the 811 transmitting tube, the WE 300B and for some industrial and medical electronic uses. Some tubes were designed so they could be used either in the UV or UX ("regular four pin" to us) bases and have both long pins and a side bayonet fixturing pin. UX bases are still made and common. (WE and commercial bayonet sockets had a different orientation of the pin slot. The 300A and 300B are identical except for the orientation of the pin slot so the 300B would fit a certain older WE ERPI unit and sub as a power tube or, with a jumper, a rectifier!-B)"
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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    It is the UX socket for it has two thicker and two smaller pins, whereas the UK socket has four pins of the same size.

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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    It's here!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    It's here!




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    WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Bill, I LOVE this combo. The Lampi KR5U4G brings out what you would expect from the Lampi EML45 tubes. I could never find the perfect recti for them before. This is it!






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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    This combo is a home run. Lampi EML 45's and Lampi KR 5U4G. Wow.
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    Glad you like them setup Mike.

    We really underestimate the difference tube rolling makes to any audio equipment.
    I for one like like my 242 and EML 5u4g setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuter View Post
    Glad you like them setup Mike.

    We really underestimate the difference tube rolling makes to any audio equipment.
    I for one like like my 242 and EML 5u4g setup.
    I have 242's here on loan. I will be trying that combo next.
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    Kool.
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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Rumor has it (out of Poland) that the 242 is only suitable with a balanced GG and not the unbalanced version.

    Did I understand it correctly that those who tested and liked the 242 did so with a Big 7 not a GG?

    Has anyone actually compared the 242 with a px25 in an unbalanced GG?

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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    I have been using the 242's for a few months with my balanced GG. Mike is now trying them in his un-balanced dac......which is supposedly not a good match ?? Fred mentioned to Mike that it may overload the dac ?? Awaiting Mike's opinion ??

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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    What setting for 242 tubes? 101d or 300b?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JDLaudio View Post
    I have been using the 242's for a few months with my balanced GG. Mike is now trying them in his un-balanced dac......which is supposedly not a good match ?? Fred mentioned to Mike that it may overload the dac ?? Awaiting Mike's opinion ??

    Oh wow? And you are getting good results with the balanced GG and 242, Jerry?

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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    What setting for 242 tubes? 101d or 300b?


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    Re: WTB EML or KR Audio tubes

    Guys, someone on WBF today asked about DSD 512 on the Lampi...I replied to him with a 242...

    Quote Originally Posted by drabbish View Post
    anyone use dsd512 on their lampi? been alot of buzz about hqplayer with dsd512, wondering how that medium compares with analog.
    sorry if this has been discussed, the search bar didnt pull up anything

    Hi, was just listening for a bit at Audiophile Bill's place. We tried the KR45s (which put me to sleep), the WE 101D replicas, and the KR balloon 300bs. We also tried the KR 274b and the 5u4g recti. We also had a Tara Cobalt, a Siltech Ruby double crown lent by a friend (it retails at 18k), and an excellent specially customized Sablon power cord. We also had Tellerium Q's second from the top speaker cable, to compare with the audience 24se.


    Trust me, and think Bill will confirm when he comes online, these things made minimal difference. What made the difference was when we put my KR 242 in. Bam. End game. We did a lot of dems on Danse Macabre, and each note had a super grip with the 242s. The attack on each note, the pause, the time intervals, the dynamics swings, were all incredibly enhanced without having to listen for it. The dynamics and bass were superb, with extra cleanliness and resolution, the details in the bass just stood out. Soundstage, immersiveness, throw any term from that audiophile dictionary recently posted, and it was in multiples. The ease of the swing from low to high itself made it musical.


    We also heard his Kuzma TT and Triplanar and Lyra Kleos. But over there fluidity in violin aside, the 242 stood out.


    This is probably the strongest recommendation I will make since I have been posting about the Lampi. If you have a big 7, forget sending it for a GG upgrade. If you have a GG, forget about the 512 upgrade. First get yourself a 242 pair. If you have the GG, send it back to get it tweaked for a 242. Since Bill replaced his AR Ref 3 and Krell 750 fpbs with the Analog Domain integrated, his gain changed to allow the 242 to play, but we were still getting some distortion on some tracks, while Danse Macabre for whatever reason was playing fine.


    10 times out of 10, a Lampi with 242 on PCM will beat a Lampi with other valves on DSD256. Haven't compared the PX25, Elrog or Tak 300b yet, but find it difficult to foresee a bigger jump. But hope that answers your query about 512. You can get it, but doubt that will be the differentiating factor.

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    I think that's a blanket statement. Tubes on the Lampi should be matched to the rest of the system. Put 45's on horns and it's delicious. Put 45's on warm speakers, and yes...too much of a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I think that's a blanket statement. Tubes on the Lampi should be matched to the rest of the system. Put 45's on horns and it's delicious. Put 45's on warm speakers, and yes...too much of a good thing.

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    I disagree. I have heard 242s on his Focal Maestro Utopias with Analog Domain integrated 25w SS, on verity audio leonores with Vac 30w 300bs, on excellent sensitive DIY speakers with 300b amp, and I have heard the EML 45s on the verity, the DIY speaker, a DIY horn, and now the KR 45 on the Focals. The 45s have always disappointed me the most. I have also heard the EML 45, but not compared, on the older AG Duos. For me, 242 is one of the highest jumps I have seen in electronics, provided the gain does not cause distortion.

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    What speakers did he hear this on?

    I disagree. I have heard 242s on his Focal Maestro Utopias with Analog Domain integrated 25w SS, on verity audio leonores with Vac 30w 300bs, on excellent sensitive DIY speakers with 300b amp, and I have heard the EML 45s on the verity, the DIY speaker, a DIY horn, and now the KR 45 on the Focals. The 45s have always disappointed me the most. I have also heard the EML 45, but not compared, on the older AG Duos. For me, 242 is one of the highest jumps I have seen in electronics, provided the gain does not cause distortion.
    I have the 242's here and will try. Like you, I was disappointed in the 45's, UNTIL I plugged in the Lampi KR 5U4G. That was a game changer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I have the 242's here and will try. Like you, I was disappointed in the 45's, UNTIL I plugged in the Lampi KR 5U4G. That was a game changer.

    Do you like the 242 over the PX4 and PX25?

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    I haven't heard the PXs yet. All I can say is, that the 242 is one of the most exciting improvements you can do to your system, much more than just changing for a valve flavour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzo View Post
    I haven't heard the PXs yet. All I can say is, that the 242 is one of the most exciting improvements you can do to your system, much more than just changing for a valve flavour.
    Looking forward to trying it.


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    My second GG came with the 242's, and I have not changed them out with any other tube yet. My first GG/system did get alot of switching out of tubes. I found I liked the 101 D WE copies the best. 300b's were a bit too syrupy for me. My room is heavily carpeted/padded, so I need a brighter detailed tube. So please qualify my opinions with that in mind. The 242's are a very nice tube, for sure. Probably the best all-around tube I've ran across yet. My system could use just a smidge more edge/brightness from the 242......but the soundstage and delicate timbre is there in spades. Just my 2 cents ???

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    Is it playing OK ??

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    First impressions: sounds like it's one notch dialed back from the uber detailed Psvane Replica 101d's. Great separation and imaging. Listening to a familiar tune and depth seems better. I like it. Doesn't seem as fleshy and meaty sounding as the 45 or 300b at first listen though. Very high gain as well.


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    Is it playing OK ??
    Yes. I'm using 101d setting. Fred thought it might be the 300b setting and is confirming with Lukasz.


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    Yes. I'm using 101d setting. Fred thought it might be the 300b setting and is confirming with Lukasz.


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    My GG had no 101/300 switch.....so I cannot offer any helpful info.

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    No doubt this is a great tube and a must have in the collection of any Lampi owner. But this Lampi KR5U4G recti is making everything sound good to be honest.


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    It's a very dynamic tube and when you hear the incredibly fast guitar playing of Paco De Lucia, John McLaughlin, Al Dimeola, you can really hear some incredible separation between the strings. BUT, it lacks the weight and tone of the 45 IMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JDLaudio View Post
    My GG had no 101/300 switch.....so I cannot offer any helpful info.
    Lukasz confirmed it is 101d.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    It's a very dynamic tube and when you hear the incredibly fast guitar playing of Paco De Lucia, John McLaughlin, Al Dimeola, you can really hear some incredible separation between the strings. BUT, it lacks the weight and tone of the 45 IMO.


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    Have you compared the two on orchestral?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    First impressions: sounds like it's one notch dialed back from the uber detailed Psvane Replica 101d's. Great separation and imaging. Listening to a familiar tune and depth seems better. I like it. Doesn't seem as fleshy and meaty sounding as the 45 or 300b at first listen though. Very high gain as well.


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    Ok, 101D replicas were my favorite before. I found this a few notches up in 3 systems I tried, so did Bill in his. Jerry and Marslo too had the 101d replicas as their favorites before the 242. I found it on similar lines - neutral and fast, dynamic, bass and weight, with a few notches higher on each and more refined. You have the Elrog 300bs so those would be different to the KR 300bs, and I haven't heard the Elrogs or the Taks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzo View Post
    Ok, 101D replicas were my favorite before. I found this a few notches up in 3 systems I tried, so did Bill in his. Jerry and Marslo too had the 101d replicas as their favorites before the 242. I found it on similar lines - neutral and fast, dynamic, bass and weight, with a few notches higher on each and more refined. You have the Elrog 300bs so those would be different to the KR 300bs, and I haven't heard the Elrogs or the Taks.
    I don't have Elrog 300b's. I have Western Electric 300b's. The real 300b!

    But I love the Lampi EML 45's with the Lampi KR 5U4G. My fav so far.


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    Have you compared the two on orchestral?
    No. My orchestral listening is less than 10%.


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    I've been going back and forth all night. This KR 242 is indeed a great tube. It has attributes like excellent transients, decay, dynamics, separation and so much more.

    Agreed, it's a game changer for Orchestral. Superb!!!

    Has anyone compared it to the PX4 or PX25?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I've been going back and forth all night. This KR 242 is indeed a great tube. It has attributes like excellent transients, decay, dynamics, separation and so much more.

    Agreed, it's a game changer for Orchestral. Superb!!!

    Has anyone compared it to the PX4 or PX25?


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    I have compared it to Px-4. They are very different indeed. The Px-4 is deadly silent tube which yields spooky resolution in my system that exceeds all others. It is weighty like 300b but not quite as rich. The 242 is much more like a supercharged and impressive 101d so they are chalk and cheese. Because Kedar and I like a lot of orchestral, there is simply no tube I have tried that does orchestral like 242. I am hoping the Kr Px25 can compete but bringing even more richness to the mix - will have to hear some soon.

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