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May 18, 2016, 07:07 AM #1
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Tube Rolling for Lampizator Level 7
I have ordered the Sylvania 5u4g and 5x4g with National Union 45.
Currently stock is 101d Psvane white base and 5c4u.
What should I be trying for best imaging and soundstage.
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May 18, 2016, 12:32 PM #2
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If its a used B7 from like a year ago, I would recommend the Kr242 (though costly).
I think Mike Lavigne at WBF has a pair for sale. They dont work well in a standard GG, as the voltage output is too high, but they are heaven in a B7...I know, i tried it myself...NORMAN
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May 18, 2016, 12:35 PM #3
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For recti try these cheap ones.
Haltron/Zaetrix/Fivre double mica (ceramic spacer) 5r4gy, Brimar 5z4, RCA/Jan world war 2 (pre 1946) double upward sloping getters 5r4gy. They cost about $100 on EBay. Date code for 1944 is "H".
More expensive is the Philips metal base GZ34 and the Brimar 5r4gy FE code.
If cost no object, then the Elrog 300b or the vintage WE 300b with the Takatsuki 274b recti.
Also the Kron Px4/45/300b are mid high priced but have good reps.
The Lampi EML 45 mesh globe is terrific but sold out for now.
The Psvane "UK design" 300B is very good and costs about $350 a pair on EBay.NORMAN
Custom PC with Memory Player Software Suite/ Modded Denon CD transport>Lampi GG1 (and sometimes PACIFIC) DHT tube Dac> Rowen 850W Isolating Transformer/ Rowen SS Preamp and PA1 monoblocs/Lampi Silk power cond. with Phase flipper> Heil AMT KITHARA & Syrinx in parallel hookup. Swiss cables (Reference line) for PC/interconnects and speaker cables. Goldmund Sweetcord PC. FTA Callisto unpowered USB cable. Basic analog: vintage Lenco L78 TT with Rowen mat, Denon MM cart, iFi iPhono2 with 15v Hynes SR3 LPSU. Synology 12 TB NAS. 2nd system:KenWin Bluetooth speaker 3rd system TBI Millemnium amp with Aulos speakers and SB Duo hookup.
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May 18, 2016, 04:42 PM #4
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May 18, 2016, 04:43 PM #5
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May 19, 2016, 04:29 AM #6
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I have not used all these tubes, but in severalnthreads people make comparisons and certain popular views emerge.
One or 2 people swear that in general Kron beats EML, and that Elrog/Takat beat all except possibly for the horrendously expensive WE vintage tubes. Takat recti is like $850 and a pair of Elrogs is about $1,200.
Here is a list of tubes and relative prices:
http://lampizator.eu/Fikus/DHT_TUBES.htmlNORMAN
Custom PC with Memory Player Software Suite/ Modded Denon CD transport>Lampi GG1 (and sometimes PACIFIC) DHT tube Dac> Rowen 850W Isolating Transformer/ Rowen SS Preamp and PA1 monoblocs/Lampi Silk power cond. with Phase flipper> Heil AMT KITHARA & Syrinx in parallel hookup. Swiss cables (Reference line) for PC/interconnects and speaker cables. Goldmund Sweetcord PC. FTA Callisto unpowered USB cable. Basic analog: vintage Lenco L78 TT with Rowen mat, Denon MM cart, iFi iPhono2 with 15v Hynes SR3 LPSU. Synology 12 TB NAS. 2nd system:KenWin Bluetooth speaker 3rd system TBI Millemnium amp with Aulos speakers and SB Duo hookup.
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May 19, 2016, 04:37 AM #7
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May 19, 2016, 05:24 AM #8
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EML 5U4g has been equalled/beaten according to many pundits.
Try the U52, Fatbottle GZ37, metals base Philips GZ34, Takat/WE274B, WE 422A, many 5r4gy etc.
Audiophile Bill on WBF loves the PX4 and he has several Kron tubes. In general he prefers Kron to EML. I mostly have EML experience.
Gopher who posts here also tried the PX4...NORMAN
Custom PC with Memory Player Software Suite/ Modded Denon CD transport>Lampi GG1 (and sometimes PACIFIC) DHT tube Dac> Rowen 850W Isolating Transformer/ Rowen SS Preamp and PA1 monoblocs/Lampi Silk power cond. with Phase flipper> Heil AMT KITHARA & Syrinx in parallel hookup. Swiss cables (Reference line) for PC/interconnects and speaker cables. Goldmund Sweetcord PC. FTA Callisto unpowered USB cable. Basic analog: vintage Lenco L78 TT with Rowen mat, Denon MM cart, iFi iPhono2 with 15v Hynes SR3 LPSU. Synology 12 TB NAS. 2nd system:KenWin Bluetooth speaker 3rd system TBI Millemnium amp with Aulos speakers and SB Duo hookup.
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May 20, 2016, 04:13 AM #9
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Re: Tube Rolling for Lampizator Level 7
Gopher,
Fred could you comment on your experience with KR and EML tubes.
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May 20, 2016, 04:21 AM #10
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Iam comparing the National Union 45's with my Psvane hifi 101d and I hate the very forward presentation of the Nation Unions compared to the 101d's being placed in the middle not so much in the front.
Also the vocals are very thick with the National Union 45.
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May 20, 2016, 06:28 AM #11
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NORMAN
Custom PC with Memory Player Software Suite/ Modded Denon CD transport>Lampi GG1 (and sometimes PACIFIC) DHT tube Dac> Rowen 850W Isolating Transformer/ Rowen SS Preamp and PA1 monoblocs/Lampi Silk power cond. with Phase flipper> Heil AMT KITHARA & Syrinx in parallel hookup. Swiss cables (Reference line) for PC/interconnects and speaker cables. Goldmund Sweetcord PC. FTA Callisto unpowered USB cable. Basic analog: vintage Lenco L78 TT with Rowen mat, Denon MM cart, iFi iPhono2 with 15v Hynes SR3 LPSU. Synology 12 TB NAS. 2nd system:KenWin Bluetooth speaker 3rd system TBI Millemnium amp with Aulos speakers and SB Duo hookup.
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May 20, 2016, 08:09 PM #12
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Re: Tube Rolling for Lampizator Level 7
I don't know, might not make a difference.
The NU 45's sound a little veiled too
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May 21, 2016, 05:15 AM #13
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May 21, 2016, 05:30 AM #14
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May 21, 2016, 05:35 AM #15
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Sold my EML recti after listening to KR, and haven't tried px4 yet but the 242 takes the big 7 to almost GG levels
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May 21, 2016, 10:26 AM #16
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May 21, 2016, 10:32 AM #17
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5u4g
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May 21, 2016, 10:34 AM #18
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May 21, 2016, 01:28 PM #19
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Both audiophile bill and I on hearing the KR had no doubt regarding purchasing it
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May 21, 2016, 07:30 PM #20
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Re: Tube Rolling for Lampizator Level 7
I have no doubt that you liked the KR 274b, but in this price range it's more to do with sound signature than which one is better hence the question on what the difference.
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May 22, 2016, 09:49 AM #21
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May 23, 2016, 04:45 PM #22
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Re: Tube Rolling for Lampizator Level 7
So in general does the 274b sound better compared to the 5u4g ?
I have heard the WE274b replica by PSvane is great too.
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May 23, 2016, 04:57 PM #23
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May 23, 2016, 05:01 PM #24
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Re: Tube Rolling for Lampizator Level 7
Do you know what the KR 274b cost as I cannot find them online
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May 23, 2016, 05:18 PM #25
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Can't remember exactly but I would have paid around 360 - 400 EUR for 1 recti
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May 23, 2016, 06:06 PM #26
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I was using the EML 5u4g for 6 months or so and put in the Tak 274b a couple weeks ago. I am so enamourd with the Tak I really can't speak more highly of it. I am using the EMLabs 300b driver tubes on a Lamp SE GG.
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May 23, 2016, 07:09 PM #27
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May 23, 2016, 08:23 PM #28
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Re: Tube Rolling for Lampizator Level 7
About $1k ea.
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May 23, 2016, 10:32 PM #29
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May 23, 2016, 10:35 PM #30
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Will have to get the EML Mesh 5U4G
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May 24, 2016, 02:38 AM #31
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I would be happy to sell you mine. Are you interested?
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May 24, 2016, 02:44 AM #32
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May 24, 2016, 02:44 AM #33
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Anyone got any EML45 or KR P4X for sale ?
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May 24, 2016, 06:29 AM #34
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Hi,
I bought the tube 6 months ago (brand new) from Tubes USA. Way less than 500 hours on it. Still have box, pakaging, test results, etc. i am more interested in keeping with the "spirit" of the hobby then I am raising money. $125.00 plus shipping. I paid retail $250.00. http://www.tubeaudiostore.com/eml5u4gmesh.html.
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May 24, 2016, 06:38 AM #35
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June 2, 2016, 11:10 AM #37
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Hallo Norman,
i will go with the Lite7 (xlr-> premapli, spdif, AES for cd player as transport...)
I do you have more Lampi dac tested and I'm sure you can give me a good feedback... (im in Switzerland too)
A "friend" from italy say me that Totaldac is the best Dac today available but Lampi with Tube for me is better.....
I^m im contact with Pawel....I go place my order in the next day for a Lite7......(i dont will the volume controlle, I prefer use a separate preampli...)
newer listen but im' sire that the Lampi give me a great sound!!! ( I go usa a Lumin S1 as music player..)
greets
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June 2, 2016, 12:30 PM #38
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where are you in CH?
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June 2, 2016, 12:51 PM #39
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Hi Db33, i am close to Gva. A pal in Genf has the Lite 7 as does Stewa in Bsl area. Another pal in Argau has a level 5 special version. I have a GG and will soon have a Der Seibener for demo which will be passed around in CH for people to try out for a limited time. If interested you could get on the demo list or arrange with me or Stewa if he is willing to hear our Dacs. Stewa has great tubes.
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June 2, 2016, 01:34 PM #40
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Hi, Lampi give a very Great sound in a system. I use solid state (the Best) in ampli & pre-> i had try tube preampli but ihmo not at the level from SS products) ampli with tube (and NOT the Audio Research -> only a name without Performance especially in the LF......)
Der Seibener -> this Dac is only for DE/CH/FR...not for other country. if you go recieve a Der7. in test please give me your point of view.
I go pull the trigger for a Lite7. Preampli is already in my system and I use it. Pawel say me that is not the best have a Lampi with volume control and use a extern pre.....simply setting = better sound....
a friend in Itlaly say more and more over Totaldac....is the best, live sound....but with SS a Dac with tube is sure a greets...open your mind!!!
Sorry but if you send back the Der Seibener (or others Lampi) you lose the VAT paid at import. right?
Hi stewa bist du in der nahe von Basel richtig? ich bin in Tessin....auf jeden fall kannst du mir Beschied geben auf Lite7? hast du xlr anschlussen?
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January 2, 2017, 10:37 PM #41
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For anyone who has a head DAC I have a new set of tubes coming . I'll post when I get them. This should be better than the vt99 tube , I need a few weeks to get the tubes and adaptors
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January 12, 2017, 07:01 AM #42
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Hi, I am selling my KR 274b. This rectifier valve is for sale at 182 EUR. KR would additionally charge you tax (usually 20%), bank charge, and postage. Postage is free from me in EU and UK but I will charge elsewhere.
Hardly used since I don't have speakers to play. In the Lampi we preferred it much more to the EML recti
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I've got the regular EML 5u4g, and bought the KR 274b which I will try out tonight. Exciting!
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January 28, 2017, 10:47 AM #46
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I have about all
listed in recti and output anyone wishing to ask me feel free to
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Hi,
Have a Lampi B7, currently using KR 5u4g as recti. and KR 300b output. Would like to get feedback on what changes KR 242 output would have? [amps are 90W tube mono's]
thanks,
Jay
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February 23, 2017, 07:26 PM #48
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Welcome to the forum Jay, thank you for joining.
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Thank you Joe. Seems to be a very good audio forum...I'm glad to be here.
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February 23, 2017, 07:59 PM #50
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Thank you for the kind words, hopefully you'll get some great recommendations soon.
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