Kronos SCPS-1 - Kronos does it again!

**Mike** · May 1, 2016, 07:05 PM

A first?

I think so!

Pushing the envelope of what is possible in vinyl playback, Kronos does it again!!

Battery powered playback.

MUNICH IS COMING . Here is the SCPS-1 we will unveil in Munich. It sits below an unfinished KRONOS PRO. It is so new, we didn't have time to take "official" photos... but let me say that we did have time to listen ☺☺☺. I would safely say that the music reproduced with PRO and SCPS-1 sounds much better than anything I have heard...or dreamed of. It is, in my opinion, a new listening experience.

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**Paul** · May 1, 2016, 07:43 PM

I can't wait till he makes one for Sparta !

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**tunes** · May 1, 2016, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

A first?

I think so!

Pushing the envelope of what is possible in vinyl playback, Kronos does it again!!

Battery powered playback.

MUNICH IS COMING . Here is the SCPS-1 we will unveil in Munich. It sits below an unfinished KRONOS PRO. It is so new, we didn't have time to take "official" photos... but let me say that we did have time to listen ☺☺☺. I would safely say that the music reproduced with PRO and SCPS-1 sounds much better than anything I have heard...or dreamed of. It is, in my opinion, a new listening experience.

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Nice work Louis! Will be interested to see the back panel as well.

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**bthomas9** · May 1, 2016, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Paul

I can't wait till he makes one for Sparta !

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Maybe by them you'll be ready for a pro and give your "old" Sparta to someone

.

Or better yet...just go pro now and get your battery pack. I know a guy that would come take that Sparta off your hands

**Paul** · May 1, 2016, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by bthomas9

Maybe by them you'll be ready for a pro and give your "old" Sparta to someone

.

Or better yet...just go pro now and get your battery pack. I know a guy that would come take that Sparta off your hands

Ha ! Bryan I'm still so in love with my Sparta

**XV-1** · May 1, 2016, 10:20 PM

No not the first

Tw Acustik have had battery power supply for some years now. I actually prefered the standard ac power when I compared.
I am sure others have done it as well.

**Mike** · May 1, 2016, 10:21 PM

Those who have heard this (like the Nagra Distributor) told me "easily a 35% improvement".

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**XV-1** · May 1, 2016, 10:27 PM

I hope it is an improvement. I would want to hear the battery ps in my system first.

To say it is a 35% improvememt sounds like hyperbole. Makes the original controller and table sound like it was broken with figures like 35% thrown around - which I am sure it is not.

**Mike** · May 1, 2016, 10:29 PM

Not at all. He was giving his opinion and he's the Nagra rep and a recording engineer.

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**tube-vds** · May 2, 2016, 03:56 AM

impressive - i'll have a look/listen on friday.

**MDP** · May 2, 2016, 02:49 PM

I don't see how a power supply would add anything to the equation.

**Mike** · May 2, 2016, 03:08 PM

More info...

SCPS-1 from concept to final product... the circuit board was 2 years in development. The management of the power reserve is computer controlled. The chassis is machined from solid billet aircraft grade aluminum. It is nickel plated, as the rest of the turntable.

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**Mike** · May 2, 2016, 03:09 PM

Just to avoid confusions, SCPS-1 IS NOT A POWER CONDITIONER. It disconnects the turntable from the grid ... and act as a battery... but with no batteries...and with a completely different result due to its extra low output impedence. It isolates at 100% the drive system from the grid...and the grid from the drive system. It has no ripple or fluctuations. It utilizes new technology never used in turntables...as far as we know. ☺☺ Oh yes... , it never runs out of power and you never need to wait for it to charge...except the after it gets turned on.

SCPS-1 is a new technology. It resides between a bigger size new power supply and the turntable. It is connected to the power supply with an umbilical cord. It is basically a super high capacity DC accumulator. It provides truly pure DC power at a very low impedence creating the perfect "motor system". It does not utilize batteries...hence there is no environmental issues or chemical noise issues. The accumulated reserve is in the neighbourhood of 15 x 1000 watt amplifiers.

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**Mike** · May 2, 2016, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by MDP

I don't see how a power supply would add anything to the equation.

See above.

**bthomas9** · May 2, 2016, 03:16 PM

Roughly equal to 1.21 gigawatts? Now where'd I park my DeLorean?

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**MDP** · May 2, 2016, 03:27 PM

Is it a speed controller or a power supply?

A speed controller certainly could enhance the sound if the speed was off.

But someone needs to explain to me how cleaner power helps create better sound, all it does is turn the platters.

**Mike** · May 2, 2016, 04:33 PM

Any time you remove micro vibrations, you improve the sound. AC is push pull. Push/pull actions causes vibrations, ripple, fluctuations. Any vibration affects the needle in the groove. You're also not sending dirty power back into the motor like with AC. It is more pure than a battery too. The impedance is also ultra low. It's like an amp not being able to control woofers. There is no noise of anything going to the turntable. This is not a battery - it is much more. Two banks of capacitors. When one is being used the other is being charged. The banks are completely separate. As one is charging, the other is being used. Switching every 60 seconds. The challenge was to get the two banks to replace each other so they make no sound and you never need to change anything or anything. It is not a battery because the impedance of a battery is not good enough. Only when you understand the affect of micro vibrations affect on the needle in the groove, only then can you understand the positive affects of removing all these little vibrations.

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**MDP** · May 2, 2016, 05:22 PM

I guess we just disagree, which is fine.

I hope it does improve things

**jadedavid** · May 2, 2016, 05:48 PM

Sounds like Ultra Capacitors, same thing that Vinnie Rossi uses in his LIO integrated amp.

**XV-1** · May 3, 2016, 05:55 AM

How much better is the pro over the sparta?

If it is any less than 35%, upgrading the power supply on the Sparta will make it a better sounding table than the Pro.

**Mike** · May 3, 2016, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by XV-1

How much better is the pro over the sparta?

If it is any less than 35%, upgrading the power supply on the Sparta will make it a better sounding table than the Pro.

You can't upgrade the PSU on the Sparta. The SCPS-1 is only for the Pro.

**madfloyd** · May 3, 2016, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by XV-1

I hope it is an improvement. I would want to hear the battery ps in my system first.

To say it is a 35% improvememt sounds like hyperbole. Makes the original controller and table sound like it was broken with figures like 35% thrown around - which I am sure it is not.

I have it from a reliable source that it is a 100% improvement.

But the photo is a Sparta, no?

**Mike** · May 3, 2016, 05:28 PM

Nope, that's the pro.

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**bthomas9** · May 3, 2016, 05:29 PM

The Sparta doesn't have that third level where the speed control LED's are on the pro

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**Bobolaclune** · May 3, 2016, 05:40 PM

There is no way it could be a 100% improvement, my sources are pointing to 83.4% as the most accurate number....

**madfloyd** · May 3, 2016, 05:45 PM

But there's only 1 platter (or am I blind?)

**madfloyd** · May 3, 2016, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Bobolaclune

There is no way it could be a 100% improvement, my sources are pointing to 83.4% as the most accurate number....

Well you have the home country advantage!

**a.wayne** · May 3, 2016, 07:06 PM

Kronos vs AF-2 PPV shootout Mike ..... It's time , especially seeing how Conor McGregor went MIA ..

**Mike** · May 3, 2016, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by a.wayne

Kronos vs AF-2 PPV shootout Mike ..... It's time , especially seeing how Conor McGregor went MIA ..

It already happened.

"In term of sonics, the Kronos Pro Ltd is not only in the league of the very best turntables available today, but in actual comparison, it is a few notches above the TechDas Air Force One and the Clearaudio Statement."

http://www.monoandstereo.com/2015/12...table.html?m=1

**madfloyd** · May 3, 2016, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

It already happened.

"In term of sonics, the Kronos Pro Ltd is not only in the league of the very best turntables available today, but in actual comparison, it is a few notches above the TechDas Air Force One and the Clearaudio Statement."

http://www.monoandstereo.com/2015/12...table.html?m=1

Oh sure, it can beat the AF1, but a.wayne is talking about the AF2!

**La Dolce Vita** · May 3, 2016, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Those who have heard this (like the Nagra Distributor) told me "easily a 35% improvement".

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Not a 34% or 36%?!?!

**Mike** · May 3, 2016, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by madfloyd

Oh sure, it can beat the AF1, but a.wayne is talking about the AF2!

Isn't the AF2 below the AF1?

**Mike** · May 3, 2016, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by La Dolce Vita

Not a 34% or 36%?!?!

Haha!

**a.wayne** · May 3, 2016, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by madfloyd

Oh sure, it can beat the AF1, but a.wayne is talking about the AF2!

Well some say AF1 vs 2 is very close , anyway i wasnt aware the Kronos had already sent of AF1...

**XV-1** · May 4, 2016, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

It already happened.

"In term of sonics, the Kronos Pro Ltd is not only in the league of the very best turntables available today, but in actual comparison, it is a few notches above the TechDas Air Force One and the Clearaudio Statement."

http://www.monoandstereo.com/2015/12...table.html?m=1

So that must now mean the Kronos is at least 36-40% better sounding than the Techdas AF-1.

LOL. That I would like to hear and see.

**Mike** · May 4, 2016, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by XV-1

So that must now mean the Kronos is at least 36-40% better sounding than the Techdas AF-1.

LOL. That I would like to hear and see.

Once you hear the Kronos in your system, you will know.

**MDP** · May 11, 2016, 07:55 AM

Here's a link.

http://www.analogplanet.com/content/...-pro-turntable

**Narayan** · May 11, 2016, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Those who have heard this (like the Nagra Distributor) told me "easily a 35% improvement".

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Hi Mike, is there any price set for the SCPS-1? I guess if they´re only making it for the Pro it won´t be cheap.

**Mike** · May 11, 2016, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Narayan

Hi Mike, is there any price set for the SCPS-1? I guess if they´re only making it for the Pro it won´t be cheap.

Rumor is $12,500 MSRP.

Pro only for now....

**La Dolce Vita** · May 11, 2016, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Narayan

Hi Mike, is there any price set for the SCPS-1? I guess if they´re only making it for the Pro it won´t be cheap.

Did I miss something? Why would it/should it come cheap? It's Kronos after all...

**Mivera Audio** · May 11, 2016, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by La Dolce Vita

Did I miss something? Why would it/should it come cheap? It's Kronos after all...

Yes if it were any cheaper it wouldn't sound near as good

**bzr** · May 11, 2016, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

Yes if it were any cheaper it wouldn't sound near as good

If it was cheaper it'd make it sound like class d

**Mivera Audio** · May 11, 2016, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by bzr

If it was cheaper it'd make it sound like class d

Yes I agree, expectation bias is a powerful force. But you have it backwards, usually a lower price lowers the perceived sound quality, not take it up a few notches

**Mike** · May 11, 2016, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by bzr

If it was cheaper it'd make it sound like class d

LOL.

**La Dolce Vita** · May 11, 2016, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Mivera Audio

Yes I agree, expectation bias is a powerful force. But you have it backwards, usually a lower price lowers the perceived sound quality, not take it up a few notches

Too funny! Thanks for the chuckle...

**Narayan** · May 12, 2016, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by La Dolce Vita

Did I miss something? Why would it/should it come cheap? It's Kronos after all...

Well $12,500 for a power supply is peanuts after reading the guys at TechDas came up with some upgrades to the Air Force One and are charging $40,000 for them in the Air Force One Premium, nevermind Michael Fremer saying the €280,000 Apolyt turntable´s price is "very reasonable for what it is"

Seing as the SCPS-1 is 33% of the price of the Kronos Pro and it provides a 35% increase in sound quality at least you get what you pay for.

**La Dolce Vita** · May 12, 2016, 10:38 AM

Great points...

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**XV-1** · May 13, 2016, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by Narayan

Well $12,500 for a power supply is peanuts after reading the guys at TechDas came up with some upgrades to the Air Force One and are charging $40,000 for them in the Air Force One Premium, nevermind Michael Fremer saying the €280,000 Apolyt turntable´s price is "very reasonable for what it is"

Seing as the SCPS-1 is 33% of the price of the Kronos Pro and it provides a 35% increase in sound quality at least you get what you pay for.

Is that a money back guarantee if it doesn't? Now I wonder how the 35% would be measured

**madfloyd** · May 13, 2016, 07:18 AM

I think people are mistaking one person's attempt to describe the differences he heard as the manufacturer's claim.

**XV-1** · May 13, 2016, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by madfloyd

I think people are mistaking one person's attempt to describe the differences he heard as the manufacturer's claim.

Ha ha. Kronos distrubitors claim.

What do Kronos say?. 32.5%

Btw, when r you getting your SCPS? Must be frustrating having such a huge increase in performance just waiting to be bought.

Cheers

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